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Gone are the days of putting all eggs in one basket and preparing without taking placement or job.Our generation who didn't clear were the most unfortunate I just hope newcomers don't fall in the same trap.There are plenty of opportunities abroad and sending huge remittances and being an NRI is anyways the ideal deshbhakt so imo that is a true win-win scenario for virgin grads.Iss UPSC mein ab kuch nahi rakha......u can fill in the blanks
This news reached me a few days late (I don't have to read The Hindu daily). Not that it's any of my concern now (I came here because of a PM by someone) but I was wondering. Why would one trudge through muck in a distant village, or a risk their life in Naxal/volatile NE areas, for years, when the same job could be obtained sitting in a metropolis, making the right connections? And what would it do to the morale of the guy working on ground, I wonder? Would he feel cheated or fooled? In the same spirit would commercial pilots be inducted into IAF? Or better yet (I really like this idea), academicians as Education Minister? Need for specialization is real. But were there no other ways of introducing domain specialization in services?
Some people are advocating to avoid such distractions and rightly so. The problem is distant. It is not affecting you directly. There not much you (as student-aspirants) can do. And more importantly the immediate problem of 'The Exam' stares you in the face constantly (and what with decreasing posts and increasing applicants). True. But then again...
जलते घर को देखने वालों फूस का छप्पर आपका है आपके पीछे तेज़ हवा है आगे मुकद्दर आपका है
उस के क़त्ल पे मैं भी चुप था मेरा नम्बर अब आया मेरे क़त्ल पे आप भी चुप है अगला नम्बर आपका है
P.S: The intent was also not to criticise views of my former member-friends. I was just wondering in a non-rant way.
Gone are the days of putting all eggs in one basket and preparing without taking placement or job.Our generation who didn't clear were the most unfortunate I just hope newcomers don't fall in the same trap.There are plenty of opportunities abroad and sending huge remittances and being an NRI is anyways the ideal deshbhakt so imo that is a true win-win scenario for virgin grads.Iss UPSC mein ab kuch nahi rakha......u can fill in the blanks
This news reached me a few days late (I don't have to read The Hindu daily). Not that it's any of my concern now (I came here because of a PM by someone) but I was wondering. Why would one trudge through muck in a distant village, or a risk their life in Naxal/volatile NE areas, for years, when the same job could be obtained sitting in a metropolis, making the right connections? And what would it do to the morale of the guy working on ground, I wonder? Would he feel cheated or fooled? In the same spirit would commercial pilots be inducted into IAF? Or better yet (I really like this idea), academicians as Education Minister? Need for specialization is real. But were there no other ways of introducing domain specialization in services?
Some people are advocating to avoid such distractions and rightly so. The problem is distant. It is not affecting you directly. There not much you (as student-aspirants) can do. And more importantly the immediate problem of 'The Exam' stares you in the face constantly (and what with decreasing posts and increasing applicants). True. But then again...
जलते घर को देखने वालों फूस का छप्पर आपका है आपके पीछे तेज़ हवा है आगे मुकद्दर आपका है
उस के क़त्ल पे मैं भी चुप था मेरा नम्बर अब आया मेरे क़त्ल पे आप भी चुप है अगला नम्बर आपका है
P.S: The intent was also not to criticise views of my former member-friends. I was just wondering in a non-rant way.
Pereftct - It describes everything abt aaspirants dilemma
Probably no one or very few will apply for these jobs if we consider only money (salary) as the factor. Private sector employee with 15-20 years of experience will be earning more money than what government is going to give them. This move will definitely be a political plot to recruit loyalist to the imperial civil service. Further more the criteria for selection is very much vague.
IAS guys are smart enough to ensure: 1. File on appointment gets stalled. There are enough typos, read between lines, will ensure the new JS will have powers of section officers. 3. Finance Dept will ensure pakaar gets delayed and travelling bills are not cleared. 4. Admin will ensure the car fuel tank will leak, starter motor not crank etc. Good luck to lateral
sahi kaha itna torture denge ki bhaag jaayenge lateralwaale...
unfortunate thing to be seemingly proud of.
This news reached me a few days late (I don't have to read The Hindu daily). Not that it's any of my concern now (I came here because of a PM by someone) but I was wondering. Why would one trudge through muck in a distant village, or a risk their life in Naxal/volatile NE areas, for years, when the same job could be obtained sitting in a metropolis, making the right connections? And what would it do to the morale of the guy working on ground, I wonder? Would he feel cheated or fooled? In the same spirit would commercial pilots be inducted into IAF? Or better yet (I really like this idea), academicians as Education Minister? Need for specialization is real. But were there no other ways of introducing domain specialization in services?
Some people are advocating to avoid such distractions and rightly so. The problem is distant. It is not affecting you directly. There not much you (as student-aspirants) can do. And more importantly the immediate problem of 'The Exam' stares you in the face constantly (and what with decreasing posts and increasing applicants). True. But then again...
जलते घर को देखने वालों फूस का छप्पर आपका है आपके पीछे तेज़ हवा है आगे मुकद्दर आपका है
उस के क़त्ल पे मैं भी चुप था मेरा नम्बर अब आया मेरे क़त्ल पे आप भी चुप है अगला नम्बर आपका है
P.S: The intent was also not to criticise views of my former member-friends. I was just wondering in a non-rant way.
Strongly agree, except the point that- "Not that it's any of my concern now". I hope it remains your concern, at least as a citizen (if not giving further attempts).
For those suggesting that we should ignore the issue as it doesn't impact us in the immediate, please don't. Most of the people here hold the view that one shouldn't speak on issues till one actually gets into service. The view is deeply flawed, you won't speak now for the fear being unnoticed and later for the sake of your reputation and confidentiality. Opinions making sense should matter, irrespective of the source. Just because 2nd ARC mentions lateral entry or an ex-topper supports government's move, it doesn't always make it right .Context matters. A near fascist(not an exaggeration) setup can very easily use it to install its own people. Even a handful would do the trick.
I do concur that our bureaucracy isn't good... well... it's a mess. But in the current setup it does provide a semblance of opposition to certain extreme political intentions. These intentions might not be unconstitutional in strictly legal sense and might even have the apparent and transitory popular support, but are required to be stopped for the sake of a democratic country. With judiciary already taking the hit, the suggestion to make foundation course 'real' competition and the current move are steps against this secondary safeguard; though I am not completely against either of the moves.
Moreover, to fix bureaucracy, first start with the obvious. For instance, police reforms have been completely ignored for decades, but things like lateral entry, which suits their interest, are introduced quite earnestly (even by governments before this; but less blatantly).
Also, just take a look at the qualifications(not just academic) of their ministers; do you really think they would use lateral entry the way it is intended to by the ARC?
This move, coupled with the policy on consideration of FC marks for generating the final list may not be the panacea, but is a perfect start to purge the complacent in the services. Just because someone cracked some exam in his youth, does not give him a license to wreak havoc in the system for the next 30 years. All those who are against this move, I would say are against genuine hard work. In todays day and age, its an established fact that you need to constantly push boundaries and if you think that by just cracking some exam, you will become holier than thou, you are mistaken.You need to constantly work on your skillsets. People, like technology, get obsolete when they dont upgrade themselves each day. Everyone is expendable. No one is permanent. Hiring talent from outside is not a sin. And if one is good enough, he surely will get promotions. Bureaucracy should be purely based on merit be it from outside, or within the system.
This move, coupled with the policy on consideration of FC marks for generating the final list may not be the panacea, but is a perfect start to purge the complacent in the services. Just because someone cracked some exam in his youth, does not give him a license to wreak havoc in the system for the next 30 years. All those who are against this move, I would say are against genuine hard work. In todays day and age, its an established fact that you need to constantly push boundaries and if you think that by just cracking some exam, you will become holier than thou, you are mistaken.You need to constantly work on your skillsets. People, like technology, get obsolete when they dont upgrade themselves each day. Everyone is expendable. No one is permanent. Hiring talent from outside is not a sin. And if one is good enough, he surely will get promotions. Bureaucracy should be purely based on merit be it from outside, or within the system.
Just my 2 cents.
Well said, many have raised this exam on a pedestal. It is messy, flawed, random, and clearly hasn't produced many babus to be proud of. This is a new beginning, let's see how it settles. If they manage to induct 10 spirited, high integrity professionals whose work will then be commented on in the public eye, the IAS will be forced to specialize or perish in due course. All good things come to an end.
This move, coupled with the policy on consideration of FC marks for generating the final list may not be the panacea, but is a perfect start to purge the complacent in the services. Just because someone cracked some exam in his youth, does not give him a license to wreak havoc in the system for the next 30 years. All those who are against this move, I would say are against genuine hard work. In todays day and age, its an established fact that you need to constantly push boundaries and if you think that by just cracking some exam, you will become holier than thou, you are mistaken.You need to constantly work on your skillsets. People, like technology, get obsolete when they dont upgrade themselves each day. Everyone is expendable. No one is permanent. Hiring talent from outside is not a sin. And if one is good enough, he surely will get promotions. Bureaucracy should be purely based on merit be it from outside, or within the system.
Just my 2 cents.
Make an independent body to asses the performance of civil servants every 7 years. This assessment shd be considered while appointing servants at strategic positions.
In initial years of service - CS shd be allowed ti choose a specific domain - after 15-20 years he may work generalist level ( yes this is reverse of what is recommended by many committees).
Make transfer and promotion- based on report by an independent body.
Grant security of transfer- ( ONLY an independent agency can recommend transfer before the term end )
There are so many such ways to improve d system.
But these will not be used by Political leadership- bcoz by giving independence- they ll loose the hold on CS. Loose the power - and who wants to losse the power? Nobody
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Why would one trudge through muck in a distant village, or a risk their life in Naxal/volatile NE areas, for years, when the same job could be obtained sitting in a metropolis, making the right connections? And what would it do to the morale of the guy working on ground, I wonder? Would he feel cheated or fooled? In the same spirit would commercial pilots be inducted into IAF? Or better yet (I really like this idea), academicians as Education Minister?
Need for specialization is real. But were there no other ways of introducing domain specialization in services?
Some people are advocating to avoid such distractions and rightly so. The problem is distant. It is not affecting you directly. There not much you (as student-aspirants) can do. And more importantly the immediate problem of 'The Exam' stares you in the face constantly (and what with decreasing posts and increasing applicants). True. But then again...
जलते घर को देखने वालों फूस का छप्पर आपका है
आपके पीछे तेज़ हवा है आगे मुकद्दर आपका है
उस के क़त्ल पे मैं भी चुप था मेरा नम्बर अब आया
मेरे क़त्ल पे आप भी चुप है अगला नम्बर आपका है
P.S: The intent was also not to criticise views of my former member-friends. I was just wondering in a non-rant way.
unfortunate thing to be seemingly proud of.
Strongly agree, except the point that- "Not that it's any of my concern now". I hope it remains your concern, at least as a citizen (if not giving further attempts).
For those suggesting that we should ignore the issue as it doesn't impact us in the immediate, please don't. Most of the people here hold the view that one shouldn't speak on issues till one actually gets into service. The view is deeply flawed, you won't speak now for the fear being unnoticed and later for the sake of your reputation and confidentiality. Opinions making sense should matter, irrespective of the source. Just because 2nd ARC mentions lateral entry or an ex-topper supports government's move, it doesn't always make it right .Context matters. A near fascist(not an exaggeration) setup can very easily use it to install its own people. Even a handful would do the trick.
I do concur that our bureaucracy isn't good... well... it's a mess. But in the current setup it does provide a semblance of opposition to certain extreme political intentions. These intentions might not be unconstitutional in strictly legal sense and might even have the apparent and transitory popular support, but are required to be stopped for the sake of a democratic country. With judiciary already taking the hit, the suggestion to make foundation course 'real' competition and the current move are steps against this secondary safeguard; though I am not completely against either of the moves.
Moreover, to fix bureaucracy, first start with the obvious. For instance, police reforms have been completely ignored for decades, but things like lateral entry, which suits their interest, are introduced quite earnestly (even by governments before this; but less blatantly).
Also, just take a look at the qualifications(not just academic) of their ministers; do you really think they would use lateral entry the way it is intended to by the ARC?
Lot of 40 plus it cell guys are praising this decision on social media
Just my 2 cents.
In initial years of service - CS shd be allowed ti choose a specific domain - after 15-20 years he may work generalist level ( yes this is reverse of what is recommended by many committees).
Make transfer and promotion- based on report by an independent body.
Grant security of transfer- ( ONLY an independent agency can recommend transfer before the term end )
There are so many such ways to improve d system.
But these will not be used by Political leadership- bcoz by giving independence- they ll loose the hold on CS. Loose the power - and who wants to losse the power? Nobody