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“Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high, where knowledge is free. Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls. Where words come out from the depth of truth, where tireless striving stretches its arms toward perfection. Where the clear stream of reason has not lost it's way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit. Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever widening thought and action. In to that heaven of freedom, my father, LET MY COUNTRY AWAKE!”
It is amazing how people who haven't even joined the system are opposing a small step with such stridency. Does merely preparing for the bureaucracy make one a status quoist? Do you think that all of these people outside of government, non IAS are idiots, or worse still evil geniuses out to loot the country which the honourable IAS is trying so hard to protect? Who is to say that a man who has given 15 years of his life to working in the private sector in a particular domain (and there are many such domains as the pvt. sector now provides many public services such as telecom, electricity, etc.) will be unable to work for the country's interest. How can this random exam which involves guesswork, mindless cramming, and interview fortune be elevated to so high a pedestal? You are just repeating the rhetoric of the babus whose very existence is tied to singing praises of the UPSC. And do you not look around and see the kind of scum that gets into these services? Much of India's talent is in the non governmental sector, it is time that the IAS is firmly asked to give way.
ur perception that private sector is not corrupt is wrong. corruption in pvt sector is far more and deep rooted. The news of induction of only pvt sector individuals into govt sector is itself wrong. even ias officer can also compete for those 10 posts. govt is looking for experts at the top level when the experts are not available immediately what will govt do. This is also a good move now ias will be allowed to work in pvt sector to gain experience.
i personally believe ias is outdated job. india needs experts. delhi jalboard reform and delhi education reform is a great example what specialists can do. But diplomacy,revenue should remain untouched.
I did not say the private sector is not corrupt. But surely it has some smart folks who've put in years learning some valuable skill that India could make use of in a sarkari setup? People who've been to MIT, Oxford , etc. and followed it up with experience of all type are not morally inferior to babus. The best man for the best job should be the princple. The IAS should have reformed years ago. By stalling any change it is now in the untenable position of defending mediocrity against achievement.
your seem to be ignoring the central idea of all those that are opposing your views. No one argues against lateral entry in totality. If they recruit in a relatively fair manner ( even UPSC standard would do), then I really don't have any argument against it. I don't like it, but it's reasonable and I would have to accept.
Here, however, the issue is different as you can understand from the views of all those opposing lateral entry. The feeling of self interest can't be denied but the underlying theme is that it will be misused. They wouldn't hire "the best man/woman for the job", but the best suited for their interest.
By opposing lateral entry they are not supporting status quo of the ias lobby, they are simply stating that just because something promises change it is not necessarily for the better. And I strongly feel that they don't need to be in service to express their views.
Moreover, if they really want to reform bureaucracy and don't have any hidden agenda, they can start from more obvious and needed reforms; for instance police reforms, like I mentioned earlier.
Even your tag says, "bad men need nothing more to compass their ends than that good men should look on and do nothing." We are just doing your bidding.
Why do you assume that the process will be vitiated? Let us see what they do with these handful of posts. The past experience with lateral entrants has been largely good. The way one paints good and bad reveals a lot about ones own biases. Not everything the govt. does is bad. Also, the BJP is not going to be in power forever. All manner of governments can come and go. The idea is sound and workable. Now let us see if they make a mess of it.
It is amazing how people who haven't even joined the system are opposing a small step with such stridency. Does merely preparing for the bureaucracy make one a status quoist? Do you think that all of these people outside of government, non IAS are idiots, or worse still evil geniuses out to loot the country which the honourable IAS is trying so hard to protect? Who is to say that a man who has given 15 years of his life to working in the private sector in a particular domain (and there are many such domains as the pvt. sector now provides many public services such as telecom, electricity, etc.) will be unable to work for the country's interest. How can this random exam which involves guesswork, mindless cramming, and interview fortune be elevated to so high a pedestal? You are just repeating the rhetoric of the babus whose very existence is tied to singing praises of the UPSC. And do you not look around and see the kind of scum that gets into these services? Much of India's talent is in the non governmental sector, it is time that the IAS is firmly asked to give way.
ur perception that private sector is not corrupt is wrong. corruption in pvt sector is far more and deep rooted. The news of induction of only pvt sector individuals into govt sector is itself wrong. even ias officer can also compete for those 10 posts. govt is looking for experts at the top level when the experts are not available immediately what will govt do. This is also a good move now ias will be allowed to work in pvt sector to gain experience.
i personally believe ias is outdated job. india needs experts. delhi jalboard reform and delhi education reform is a great example what specialists can do. But diplomacy,revenue should remain untouched.
I did not say the private sector is not corrupt. But surely it has some smart folks who've put in years learning some valuable skill that India could make use of in a sarkari setup? People who've been to MIT, Oxford , etc. and followed it up with experience of all type are not morally inferior to babus. The best man for the best job should be the princple. The IAS should have reformed years ago. By stalling any change it is now in the untenable position of defending mediocrity against achievement.
Private sector folks are light-years ahead of any bureaucrat when it comes to domain knowledge and work ethics. Bureaucrats never get out of their cse mode. They fill their brains with a lot of unnecessary info and never become expert in administration or anything for that matter.
It is amazing how people who haven't even joined the system are opposing a small step with such stridency. Does merely preparing for the bureaucracy make one a status quoist? Do you think that all of these people outside of government, non IAS are idiots, or worse still evil geniuses out to loot the country which the honourable IAS is trying so hard to protect? Who is to say that a man who has given 15 years of his life to working in the private sector in a particular domain (and there are many such domains as the pvt. sector now provides many public services such as telecom, electricity, etc.) will be unable to work for the country's interest. How can this random exam which involves guesswork, mindless cramming, and interview fortune be elevated to so high a pedestal? You are just repeating the rhetoric of the babus whose very existence is tied to singing praises of the UPSC. And do you not look around and see the kind of scum that gets into these services? Much of India's talent is in the non governmental sector, it is time that the IAS is firmly asked to give way.
ur perception that private sector is not corrupt is wrong. corruption in pvt sector is far more and deep rooted. The news of induction of only pvt sector individuals into govt sector is itself wrong. even ias officer can also compete for those 10 posts. govt is looking for experts at the top level when the experts are not available immediately what will govt do. This is also a good move now ias will be allowed to work in pvt sector to gain experience.
i personally believe ias is outdated job. india needs experts. delhi jalboard reform and delhi education reform is a great example what specialists can do. But diplomacy,revenue should remain untouched.
I did not say the private sector is not corrupt. But surely it has some smart folks who've put in years learning some valuable skill that India could make use of in a sarkari setup? People who've been to MIT, Oxford , etc. and followed it up with experience of all type are not morally inferior to babus. The best man for the best job should be the princple. The IAS should have reformed years ago. By stalling any change it is now in the untenable position of defending mediocrity against achievement.
your seem to be ignoring the central idea of all those that are opposing your views. No one argues against lateral entry in totality. If they recruit in a relatively fair manner ( even UPSC standard would do), then I really don't have any argument against it. I don't like it, but it's reasonable and I would have to accept.
Here, however, the issue is different as you can understand from the views of all those opposing lateral entry. The feeling of self interest can't be denied but the underlying theme is that it will be misused. They wouldn't hire "the best man/woman for the job", but the best suited for their interest.
By opposing lateral entry they are not supporting status quo of the ias lobby, they are simply stating that just because something promises change it is not necessarily for the better. And I strongly feel that they don't need to be in service to express their views.
Moreover, if they really want to reform bureaucracy and don't have any hidden agenda, they can start from more obvious and needed reforms; for instance police reforms, like I mentioned earlier.
Even your tag says, "bad men need nothing more to compass their ends than that good men should look on and do nothing." We are just doing your bidding.
Why do you assume that the process will be vitiated? Let us see what they do with these handful of posts. The past experience with lateral entrants has been largely good. The way one paints good and bad reveals a lot about ones own biases. Not everything the govt. does is bad. Also, the BJP is not going to be in power forever. All manner of governments can come and go. The idea is sound and workable. Now let us see if they make a mess of it.
Please don't read further if you can devote this time to studies. I am writing simply to pass some time- as I am unsure of clearing Ifos prelim cutoff (filled only that).
I don't think I assumed that. In fact, i have repeatedly said that I am not completely against the idea. What I did was to point out the the core apprehension that you were ignoring. I did not posit a certainty, but only pointed towards a probability; which in my personal opinion is very high.
Biased to some extent, perhaps I am, but I don't think that everything the government does is bad. Things like swatch bharat are awesome initiatives.
Pushing the paranoia and cynicism further I might as well have said that introducing only selective changes like simultaneous election, lateral entry and sidelining of judiciary are in line with some ulterior fascist plan for decades of BJP rule, but that is just fear mongering.
The weird thing is that I would have voted for them again despite all this, if all this had resulted in some positives. In present phase of India, 'real democracy' is inefficient to some extent so a little authoritativeness, even in opposition to democracy, would have been tolerated if there had been substantive positive results overall. But there are none- economical, social or political. In fact, situation in my state(UP) seems to be worsening. So I think certain bias against their intentions is justified on my part.
It is amazing how people who haven't even joined the system are opposing a small step with such stridency. Does merely preparing for the bureaucracy make one a status quoist? Do you think that all of these people outside of government, non IAS are idiots, or worse still evil geniuses out to loot the country which the honourable IAS is trying so hard to protect? Who is to say that a man who has given 15 years of his life to working in the private sector in a particular domain (and there are many such domains as the pvt. sector now provides many public services such as telecom, electricity, etc.) will be unable to work for the country's interest. How can this random exam which involves guesswork, mindless cramming, and interview fortune be elevated to so high a pedestal? You are just repeating the rhetoric of the babus whose very existence is tied to singing praises of the UPSC. And do you not look around and see the kind of scum that gets into these services? Much of India's talent is in the non governmental sector, it is time that the IAS is firmly asked to give way.
ur perception that private sector is not corrupt is wrong. corruption in pvt sector is far more and deep rooted. The news of induction of only pvt sector individuals into govt sector is itself wrong. even ias officer can also compete for those 10 posts. govt is looking for experts at the top level when the experts are not available immediately what will govt do. This is also a good move now ias will be allowed to work in pvt sector to gain experience.
i personally believe ias is outdated job. india needs experts. delhi jalboard reform and delhi education reform is a great example what specialists can do. But diplomacy,revenue should remain untouched.
I did not say the private sector is not corrupt. But surely it has some smart folks who've put in years learning some valuable skill that India could make use of in a sarkari setup? People who've been to MIT, Oxford , etc. and followed it up with experience of all type are not morally inferior to babus. The best man for the best job should be the princple. The IAS should have reformed years ago. By stalling any change it is now in the untenable position of defending mediocrity against achievement.
your seem to be ignoring the central idea of all those that are opposing your views. No one argues against lateral entry in totality. If they recruit in a relatively fair manner ( even UPSC standard would do), then I really don't have any argument against it. I don't like it, but it's reasonable and I would have to accept.
Here, however, the issue is different as you can understand from the views of all those opposing lateral entry. The feeling of self interest can't be denied but the underlying theme is that it will be misused. They wouldn't hire "the best man/woman for the job", but the best suited for their interest.
By opposing lateral entry they are not supporting status quo of the ias lobby, they are simply stating that just because something promises change it is not necessarily for the better. And I strongly feel that they don't need to be in service to express their views.
Moreover, if they really want to reform bureaucracy and don't have any hidden agenda, they can start from more obvious and needed reforms; for instance police reforms, like I mentioned earlier.
Even your tag says, "bad men need nothing more to compass their ends than that good men should look on and do nothing." We are just doing your bidding.
Why do you assume that the process will be vitiated? Let us see what they do with these handful of posts. The past experience with lateral entrants has been largely good. The way one paints good and bad reveals a lot about ones own biases. Not everything the govt. does is bad. Also, the BJP is not going to be in power forever. All manner of governments can come and go. The idea is sound and workable. Now let us see if they make a mess of it.
Please don't read further if you can devote this time to studies. I am writing simply to pass some time- as I am unsure of clearing Ifos prelim cutoff (filled only that).
I don't think I assumed that. In fact, i have repeatedly said that I am not completely against the idea. What I did was to point out the the core apprehension that you were ignoring. I did not posit a certainty, but only pointed towards a probability; which in my personal opinion is very high.
Biased to some extent, perhaps I am, but I don't think that everything the government does is bad. Things like swatch bharat are awesome initiatives.
Pushing the paranoia and cynicism further I might as well have said that introducing only selective changes like simultaneous election, lateral entry and sidelining of judiciary are in line with some ulterior fascist plan for decades of BJP rule, but that is just fear mongering.
The weird thing is that I would have voted for them again despite all this, if all this had resulted in some positives. In present phase of India, 'real democracy' is inefficient to some extent so a little authoritativeness, even in opposition to democracy, would have been tolerated if there had been substantive positive results overall. But there are none- economical, social or political. In fact, situation in my state(UP) seems to be worsening. So I think certain bias against their intentions is justified on my part.
In my opinion that probability, even if it were high, is restricted to just few positions now put on the block. I think the little damage that maybe done in the extreme case where the intentions are unwholesome is easily ignored given the potential gains that may follow if the system works out well. What bad could they do to these 10 positions that the babus haven't already done! Methinks we protest too much, and at the wrong time. I'll wait and watch. Only IFoS here too BTW!
It is amazing how people who haven't even joined the system are opposing a small step with such stridency. Does merely preparing for the bureaucracy make one a status quoist? Do you think that all of these people outside of government, non IAS are idiots, or worse still evil geniuses out to loot the country which the honourable IAS is trying so hard to protect? Who is to say that a man who has given 15 years of his life to working in the private sector in a particular domain (and there are many such domains as the pvt. sector now provides many public services such as telecom, electricity, etc.) will be unable to work for the country's interest. How can this random exam which involves guesswork, mindless cramming, and interview fortune be elevated to so high a pedestal? You are just repeating the rhetoric of the babus whose very existence is tied to singing praises of the UPSC. And do you not look around and see the kind of scum that gets into these services? Much of India's talent is in the non governmental sector, it is time that the IAS is firmly asked to give way.
ur perception that private sector is not corrupt is wrong. corruption in pvt sector is far more and deep rooted. The news of induction of only pvt sector individuals into govt sector is itself wrong. even ias officer can also compete for those 10 posts. govt is looking for experts at the top level when the experts are not available immediately what will govt do. This is also a good move now ias will be allowed to work in pvt sector to gain experience.
i personally believe ias is outdated job. india needs experts. delhi jalboard reform and delhi education reform is a great example what specialists can do. But diplomacy,revenue should remain untouched.
I did not say the private sector is not corrupt. But surely it has some smart folks who've put in years learning some valuable skill that India could make use of in a sarkari setup? People who've been to MIT, Oxford , etc. and followed it up with experience of all type are not morally inferior to babus. The best man for the best job should be the princple. The IAS should have reformed years ago. By stalling any change it is now in the untenable position of defending mediocrity against achievement.
your seem to be ignoring the central idea of all those that are opposing your views. No one argues against lateral entry in totality. If they recruit in a relatively fair manner ( even UPSC standard would do), then I really don't have any argument against it. I don't like it, but it's reasonable and I would have to accept.
Here, however, the issue is different as you can understand from the views of all those opposing lateral entry. The feeling of self interest can't be denied but the underlying theme is that it will be misused. They wouldn't hire "the best man/woman for the job", but the best suited for their interest.
By opposing lateral entry they are not supporting status quo of the ias lobby, they are simply stating that just because something promises change it is not necessarily for the better. And I strongly feel that they don't need to be in service to express their views.
Moreover, if they really want to reform bureaucracy and don't have any hidden agenda, they can start from more obvious and needed reforms; for instance police reforms, like I mentioned earlier.
Even your tag says, "bad men need nothing more to compass their ends than that good men should look on and do nothing." We are just doing your bidding.
Why do you assume that the process will be vitiated? Let us see what they do with these handful of posts. The past experience with lateral entrants has been largely good. The way one paints good and bad reveals a lot about ones own biases. Not everything the govt. does is bad. Also, the BJP is not going to be in power forever. All manner of governments can come and go. The idea is sound and workable. Now let us see if they make a mess of it.
Please don't read further if you can devote this time to studies. I am writing simply to pass some time- as I am unsure of clearing Ifos prelim cutoff (filled only that).
I don't think I assumed that. In fact, i have repeatedly said that I am not completely against the idea. What I did was to point out the the core apprehension that you were ignoring. I did not posit a certainty, but only pointed towards a probability; which in my personal opinion is very high.
Biased to some extent, perhaps I am, but I don't think that everything the government does is bad. Things like swatch bharat are awesome initiatives.
Pushing the paranoia and cynicism further I might as well have said that introducing only selective changes like simultaneous election, lateral entry and sidelining of judiciary are in line with some ulterior fascist plan for decades of BJP rule, but that is just fear mongering.
The weird thing is that I would have voted for them again despite all this, if all this had resulted in some positives. In present phase of India, 'real democracy' is inefficient to some extent so a little authoritativeness, even in opposition to democracy, would have been tolerated if there had been substantive positive results overall. But there are none- economical, social or political. In fact, situation in my state(UP) seems to be worsening. So I think certain bias against their intentions is justified on my part.
In my opinion that probability, even if it were high, is restricted to just few positions now put on the block. I think the little damage that maybe done in the extreme case where the intentions are unwholesome is easily ignored given the potential gains that may follow if the system works out well. What bad could they do to these 10 positions that the babus haven't already done! Methinks we protest too much, and at the wrong time. I'll wait and watch. Only IFoS here too BTW!
I know. I saw you score(highest till now) on ifos cutoff thread.
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this crowd is no different from that who opposed 1991 economic reforms
do the planning commission with IAS !!
and the head is held high,
where knowledge is free.
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls.
Where words come out from the depth of truth,
where tireless striving stretches its arms toward perfection.
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost it's way
into the dreary desert sand of dead habit.
Where the mind is led forward by thee
into ever widening thought and action.
In to that heaven of freedom, my father,
LET MY COUNTRY AWAKE!”
I don't think I assumed that. In fact, i have repeatedly said that I am not completely against the idea. What I did was to point out the the core apprehension that you were ignoring. I did not posit a certainty, but only pointed towards a probability; which in my personal opinion is very high.
Biased to some extent, perhaps I am, but I don't think that everything the government does is bad. Things like swatch bharat are awesome initiatives.
Pushing the paranoia and cynicism further I might as well have said that introducing only selective changes like simultaneous election, lateral entry and sidelining of judiciary are in line with some ulterior fascist plan for decades of BJP rule, but that is just fear mongering.
The weird thing is that I would have voted for them again despite all this, if all this had resulted in some positives. In present phase of India, 'real democracy' is inefficient to some extent so a little authoritativeness, even in opposition to democracy, would have been tolerated if there had been substantive positive results overall. But there are none- economical, social or political. In fact, situation in my state(UP) seems to be worsening. So I think certain bias against their intentions is justified on my part.