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What is the Expected Cut off for UPSC Prelims 2017?

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  • two questions are definitely right whatever people debate here

    1. IVC = 1&3
    2. Right to Vote = constitutional
    Sry but..
    Ivc 1 only
    Rtv constitutional... ( already proved by quoting previous upsc papers )
    Sorry but.. 1&3 has been already discussed thoroughly..... Horse...remains "inconclusive" n certainly they not aware..
    Me too followed and participated...
    In previous yr Upsc has accepted horse remains in ivc.... So 1 only...
    Bullcrap...
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
    State pcs aur upsc mein fark samjho..this is why upsc doesn't release the answer key...upsc will never ever give 2 answers for 1 question in gs...answer uska ek hi hai..legal B)
    don't troll serious aspirants.don't misguide them like delhi public .it would be constitutional ..
  • edited July 2017
    Chalo.. IVC and RTV leave it to the almighty upsc.. What bothers me most is kakatiya qstn.. I knw motupalli has more chances of being right bt that doesn't negates the fact that machilipatnam was also an important port at the time cos of ample evidences of sources that supports it... Why in the world did the qstn setter put both option in the answer.. Moron.. Pisses me off
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    I'm afraid you're the one who is factually incorrect now.

    Let me put up the text of Article 326:

    326. Elections to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assemblies of States to be on the basis of adult suffrage
    The elections to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assembly of every State shall be on the basis of adult suffrage; but is to say, every person who is a citizen of India and who is not less than eighteen years of age on such date as may be fixed in that behalf by or under any law made by the appropriate legislature and is not otherwise disqualified under this constitution or any law made by the appropriate Legislature on the ground of non residence, unsoundness of mind, crime or corrupt or illegal practice, shall be entitled to be registered as a voter at any such election


    It very clearly says 2 phrases:
    "To be on the basis of" -- which means its not "could be", its a definite statement.
    "Shall be entitled" to be registered as a voter -- and even with my limited knowledge of polity, i can safely say this is definitive as well.

    Now, Adult suffrage does infact very much mean Right to Vote.
    You can check wikipedia - but as many times when it doesn't suit us, we brush of wikipedia, check this:
    http://www.elections.in/political-corner/universal-adult-suffrage/

    Or for that matter any renowned dictionary:
    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/suffrage

    You'll find suffrage means giving the right to vote.

    But then again, as already pointed out, I don't seem to know basic polity, so you should re search the meaning on your own. :smile:
    You conviniently missed this highlighted portion.

    Right to voye is specifically mentioned in RPA 1951 article 62... refer attachment

    Coming to that law mains question it specifically asks you whether RTV is fundamental or statutory.... so saying that it is none is bit far fetched.... they have used statutory becoz they consider it statutory.
  • Chalo.. IVC and RTV leave it to the almighty upsc.. What bothers me most is kakatiya qstn.. I knw motupalli has more chances of being right bt that doesn't negates the fact that machilipatnam was also an important port at the time cos of ample evidences of sources that supports it... Why in the world did the qstn setter put both option in the answer.. Moron.. Pisses me off
    Bhai i think they have picked up question from a single source may be a book or manual like pearson and just to make it look a new created question they have either twisted the statements or added close options like masulipatnam in kakinada kingdom question....so finding the exact source is next to impossible....and this helps maintaining the unpredictable nature of UPSC...
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
    State pcs aur upsc mein fark samjho..this is why upsc doesn't release the answer key...upsc will never ever give 2 answers for 1 question in gs...answer uska ek hi hai..legal B)
    That is why answer C hi hai.. NCERT and latest rajbala case.. :wink: since day one n even aftr nearly a month has passed we are still doing this...the same thing.. Haha.. It's fun though lol
    RAJBALA is not latest bro... have a look at this

    Abhiram Singh vs C.D. Commachen (Dead) By Lrs.& Ors on 2 January, 2017
    Author: S A Bobde
    Bench: T.S. Thakur, Madan B. Lokur, S.A. Bobde


    The right to stand as a candidate and contest an election is not a common law right. It is a special right created by statute and can only be exercised on the conditions laid down by the statute. The Fundamental Rights Chapter has no bearing on a right like this created by statute. The appellants have no fundamental right to be elected members of Parliament. If they want that they must observe the rules. If they prefer to exercise their right of free speech outside these rules, the impugned sections do not stop them. We hold that these sections are intra vires.” We need say nothing more on the subject.

    https://indiankanoon.org/doc/85515763/

    Refer paragraph 47
  • And NPS qstn as well.. Though i defend option D logically... My guts says. Most probably C is the answer.. Hw poorly the qstn was framed or the setter did deliberately or wat... If 'mandatory ' word would hv been there i agree C is most appropriate bt 'can' join confuses me.... n as such D seems most appropriate... And about the month n date in option D.. I knw if jan can join means April could join too.. Bt again why would the qstn setter played with such silly way of setting the qstn.. Is wat i thought..
  • It's a valuable lesson for all the aspirants to work harder for next prelims to escape from this endless and restless speculations and bickering over a couple of questions which seriously affects the peace of mind and the capability to move on and be productive .
  • Chalo.. IVC and RTV leave it to the almighty upsc.. What bothers me most is kakatiya qstn.. I knw motupalli has more chances of being right bt that doesn't negates the fact that machilipatnam was also an important port at the time cos of ample evidences of sources that supports it... Why in the world did the qstn setter put both option in the answer.. Moron.. Pisses me off
    Bhai i think they have picked up question from a single source may be a book or manual like pearson and just to make it look a new created question they have either twisted the statements or added close options like masulipatnam in kakinada kingdom question....so finding the exact source is next to impossible....and this helps maintaining the unpredictable nature of UPSC...
    That imply the role of luck factor will increase more n more... Hhmmm
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
    State pcs aur upsc mein fark samjho..this is why upsc doesn't release the answer key...upsc will never ever give 2 answers for 1 question in gs...answer uska ek hi hai..legal B)
    That is why answer C hi hai.. NCERT and latest rajbala case.. :wink: since day one n even aftr nearly a month has passed we are still doing this...the same thing.. Haha.. It's fun though lol
    RAJBALA is not latest bro... have a look at this

    Abhiram Singh vs C.D. Commachen (Dead) By Lrs.& Ors on 2 January, 2017
    Author: S A Bobde
    Bench: T.S. Thakur, Madan B. Lokur, S.A. Bobde


    The right to stand as a candidate and contest an election is not a common law right. It is a special right created by statute and can only be exercised on the conditions laid down by the statute. The Fundamental Rights Chapter has no bearing on a right like this created by statute. The appellants have no fundamental right to be elected members of Parliament. If they want that they must observe the rules. If they prefer to exercise their right of free speech outside these rules, the impugned sections do not stop them. We hold that these sections are intra vires.” We need say nothing more on the subject.

    https://indiankanoon.org/doc/85515763/

    Refer paragraph 47
    Chalo bhai.. So exhausted arguing on this subject.. Hehe.. Let's hope upsc key gv both as answer...
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