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What is the Expected Cut off for UPSC Prelims 2017?

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  • two questions are definitely right whatever people debate here

    1. IVC = 1&3
    2. Right to Vote = constitutional
    Sry but..
    Ivc 1 only
    Rtv constitutional... ( already proved by quoting previous upsc papers )
    Sorry but.. 1&3 has been already discussed thoroughly..... Horse...remains "inconclusive" n certainly they not aware..
    Me too followed and participated...
    In previous yr Upsc has accepted horse remains in ivc.... So 1 only...
    Can you please show this previous year question/ statement?

    I've marked 1only too. But I've taken it as wrong till now.
    No proof is there my friend.....he is trolling.....rtv is legal only
    RTV is legal on basis of previous uear qn paper

    Refer qn 1b
    You've missed the entire discussion if you're quoting this. It's both constitutional and legal. But not fundamental in any way.

    Read more on the topic and you'll see.

    However what matters is how UPSC sees it now.
    Stop giving gyan if you dont know basic polity......
    Sure buddy. Thanks for the feedback! Much appreciated. :smile:
  • two questions are definitely right whatever people debate here

    1. IVC = 1&3
    2. Right to Vote = constitutional
    Sry but..
    Ivc 1 only
    Rtv constitutional... ( already proved by quoting previous upsc papers )
    Sorry but.. 1&3 has been already discussed thoroughly..... Horse...remains "inconclusive" n certainly they not aware..
    Me too followed and participated...
    In previous yr Upsc has accepted horse remains in ivc.... So 1 only...
    Can you please show this previous year question/ statement?

    I've marked 1only too. But I've taken it as wrong till now.
    No proof is there my friend.....he is trolling.....rtv is legal only
    RTV is legal on basis of previous uear qn paper

    Refer qn 1b
    Haha ye subjective answer hai.. Iska structure kuch is tarah hoga
    Constitution has provided every citizen right to vote and to contest in the elections. Though our constitution has provided certain qualifications regarding who can vote and contest yet the same is also regulated by an appropriate act, Ropa 1950 and 1951 enacted by the parliament .
    Fundamental rights are those which fundamental for the overall development of citizens and are guaranteed under part 3 of the constitution.Limitations in rtv and contest don't require special process of amendment(as in case of fundamental rights)and the same can be done either by
    1)an amendment in the constitution by simple majority , for those aspects mentioned in the constitution or
    2) by appropriate regulations for aspects mentioned in ropa1951 and ropa1950
    Hence rtv and contest is not a fundamental right but a constitutional right which is regulated and can be limited through regulations framed under ropa.
    Bro you are factually in inorrect... even to amend article 326 yo need special majority... Rest your argument dont even deserve 1 mark in mains exam
  • I am well aware of all the discussion and all the sources quoted.... this i am quoting to indicate the view UPSC might be holding... which is also dominant view.

    Reagarding IVC also there was a question in UPSC 1995 to match correct option... and one being surkodata- horse remains. This may also indicate answer of the horse question

    Atlwast UPSC accepts proof of existence of horse
    two questions are definitely right whatever people debate here

    1. IVC = 1&3
    2. Right to Vote = constitutional
    Sry but..
    Ivc 1 only
    Rtv constitutional... ( already proved by quoting previous upsc papers )
    Sorry but.. 1&3 has been already discussed thoroughly..... Horse...remains "inconclusive" n certainly they not aware..

    Me too followed and participated...
    In previous yr Upsc has accepted horse remains in ivc.... So 1 only...

    Can you please show this previous year question/ statement?

    I've marked 1only too. But I've taken it as wrong till now.

    No proof is there my friend.....he is trolling.....rtv is legal only

    RTV is legal on basis of previous uear qn paper

    Refer qn 1b

    You've missed the entire discussion if you're quoting this. It's both constitutional and legal. But not fundamental in any way.

    Read more on the topic and you'll see.

    However what matters is how UPSC sees it now.




    Thanks! I have hope for IVC now!
    Just to add this might show that upsc acknowledges of evidence of horse but does not prove IVC people being aware of horse as seals have no representation of horse and upsc has not asked any question on doubtful terracotta figurine of horse in lothal....plus if u see question ...first statement is also extreme and not true entirely...just like horse statement ..so this question is quite poorly framed and lastly IGNOU BA history clearly says horse unknown to IVC people....so it seems still no conclusion....let upsc decide then... :|
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
  • two questions are definitely right whatever people debate here

    1. IVC = 1&3
    2. Right to Vote = constitutional
    Sry but..
    Ivc 1 only
    Rtv constitutional... ( already proved by quoting previous upsc papers )
    Sorry but.. 1&3 has been already discussed thoroughly..... Horse...remains "inconclusive" n certainly they not aware..
    Me too followed and participated...
    In previous yr Upsc has accepted horse remains in ivc.... So 1 only...
    Can you please show this previous year question/ statement?

    I've marked 1only too. But I've taken it as wrong till now.
    No proof is there my friend.....he is trolling.....rtv is legal only
    RTV is legal on basis of previous uear qn paper

    Refer qn 1b
    Haha ye subjective answer hai.. Iska structure kuch is tarah hoga
    Constitution has provided every citizen right to vote and to contest in the elections. Though our constitution has provided certain qualifications regarding who can vote and contest yet the same is also regulated by an appropriate act, Ropa 1950 and 1951 enacted by the parliament .
    Fundamental rights are those which fundamental for the overall development of citizens and are guaranteed under part 3 of the constitution.Limitations in rtv and contest don't require special process of amendment(as in case of fundamental rights)and the same can be done either by
    1)an amendment in the constitution by simple majority , for those aspects mentioned in the constitution or
    2) by appropriate regulations for aspects mentioned in ropa1951 and ropa1950
    Hence rtv and contest is not a fundamental right but a constitutional right which is regulated and can be limited through regulations framed under ropa.
    bakwas argument....tumhe jyada pta hai supreme court se...tum bas 5th ki ncert pad lo ....ussi k layak ho....profile pic se akal ka level bhi pta chalta hai
    yeh bahut chu cha kar rha hai Ramsay ko bulaun kya :D
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
    State pcs aur upsc mein fark samjho..this is why upsc doesn't release the answer key...upsc will never ever give 2 answers for 1 question in gs...answer uska ek hi hai..legal B)
  • edited July 2017
    But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    I'm afraid you're the one who is factually incorrect now.

    Let me put up the text of Article 326:

    326. Elections to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assemblies of States to be on the basis of adult suffrage
    The elections to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assembly of every State shall be on the basis of adult suffrage; but is to say, every person who is a citizen of India and who is not less than eighteen years of age on such date as may be fixed in that behalf by or under any law made by the appropriate legislature and is not otherwise disqualified under this constitution or any law made by the appropriate Legislature on the ground of non residence, unsoundness of mind, crime or corrupt or illegal practice, shall be entitled to be registered as a voter at any such election


    It very clearly says 2 phrases:
    "To be on the basis of" -- which means its not "could be", its a definite statement.
    "Shall be entitled" to be registered as a voter -- and even with my limited knowledge of polity, i can safely say this is definitive as well.

    Now, Adult suffrage does infact very much mean Right to Vote.
    You can check wikipedia - but as many times when it doesn't suit us, we brush of wikipedia, check this:
    http://www.elections.in/political-corner/universal-adult-suffrage/

    Or for that matter any renowned dictionary:
    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/suffrage

    You'll find suffrage means giving the right to vote.

    But then again, as already pointed out, I don't seem to know basic polity, so you should re search the meaning on your own. :smile:
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
    State pcs aur upsc mein fark samjho..this is why upsc doesn't release the answer key...upsc will never ever give 2 answers for 1 question in gs...answer uska ek hi hai..legal B)
    That is why answer C hi hai.. NCERT and latest rajbala case.. :wink: since day one n even aftr nearly a month has passed we are still doing this...the same thing.. Haha.. It's fun though lol
  • two questions are definitely right whatever people debate here

    1. IVC = 1&3
    2. Right to Vote = constitutional
    Sry but..
    Ivc 1 only
    Rtv constitutional... ( already proved by quoting previous upsc papers )
    Sorry but.. 1&3 has been already discussed thoroughly..... Horse...remains "inconclusive" n certainly they not aware..
    Me too followed and participated...
    In previous yr Upsc has accepted horse remains in ivc.... So 1 only...
    Can you please show this previous year question/ statement?

    I've marked 1only too. But I've taken it as wrong till now.
    No proof is there my friend.....he is trolling.....rtv is legal only
    RTV is legal on basis of previous uear qn paper

    Refer qn 1b
    Haha ye subjective answer hai.. Iska structure kuch is tarah hoga
    Constitution has provided every citizen right to vote and to contest in the elections. Though our constitution has provided certain qualifications regarding who can vote and contest yet the same is also regulated by an appropriate act, Ropa 1950 and 1951 enacted by the parliament .
    Fundamental rights are those which fundamental for the overall development of citizens and are guaranteed under part 3 of the constitution.Limitations in rtv and contest don't require special process of amendment(as in case of fundamental rights)and the same can be done either by
    1)an amendment in the constitution by simple majority , for those aspects mentioned in the constitution or
    2) by appropriate regulations for aspects mentioned in ropa1951 and ropa1950
    Hence rtv and contest is not a fundamental right but a constitutional right which is regulated and can be limited through regulations framed under ropa.
    bakwas argument....tumhe jyada pta hai supreme court se...tum bas 5th ki ncert pad lo ....ussi k layak ho....profile pic se akal ka level bhi pta chalta hai
    tumhe jarurat hain dhang ke resources padhne ki laksmikant ncert ke bahar bhi duniya hain ...uske logic main kuch bhi galat nahi hain ..
    apne answers ko sahi thaharane ke liye kutark karne ki jarurat nahi hain ...rahi baat sc ki to sc ne bhi ise constitutional hi bataya hain it's neither fundamental nor common law right ...
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