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What is the Expected Cut off for UPSC Prelims 2017?

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  • NCERT :D :D
    now all the questions pertaining to the interpretation of indian constitution would be decided as per the relevant provisions of NCERT ... hadd hai bhai yar :D
    When ur arguments are deconstructed and u'r left with no argument yet u refused to accept defeat.. The best tactic is to resort to bitter sarcasm...
  • Jo bhi legal ko support kar rha hai.... mujhe bas itna batao ki kaunsa source pade for knowing such ques for next pre (std sources like ncert and laxmi both say constitutional)
    Bhai logo ke hisaab se indiankanoon.org padho... :D ...rhi baat PUCL case ki 99.99% logo ko NOTA ke liye pata tha..i highly doubt ki usse right to vote ke liye padha hoga...
    Ha agar vajiram ya sriram type coaching kabhi kabhi purane state pcs ya upsc questions discussion karte hai...sayad unke notes mein mile aise question...lekin agar state pcs ki key dekhoge to vo log mostly controversial questions ke do answer de dete hai...to usse keval confuse hoge....
    And here we have the best comeback... Of the century .. Haha
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    Jo bhi legal ko support kar rha hai.... mujhe bas itna batao ki kaunsa source pade for knowing such ques for next pre (std sources like ncert and laxmi both say constitutional)
    Refer Laxmikanth fundamental right chapter.. under other constitutional right it says right to vote is both constitutional nd legal right...
    But in citizenship chapter it says constitutional right. Maine ncert nhi padi thi 9th class ki par ye chap + IE ka rajbala case ka article yaad tha so marked accordingly
    Bro. Don't worry about it. The constitution states in clear terms that Elections to the House of the People and to the Legislative Assemblies of States to be on the basis of adult suffrage

    Suffrage in any English dictionary means giving the Right to vote.

    It can be merely regulated by law.

    The judgement posted here relates only to the second part of the question. Which is right to be elected. Nothing about right to vote.

    It will depend purely on UPSC how it matches the two.

    If last year is any indication, like for Masala bond, UPSC will take a broader look and go as per the constitutional provisions.

    Let's just wait for another week or so.
    Vaise ek baat hai pehle uppsc ne constitutional right hi diya tha answer lekin vo answer release kar deta hai prelimsresult se to logo ke protest kiya isliye usne baat mein constitutional and legal kar diya...lekin upsc to final result ke baad key release karta hai ...to agar usne bhi constitutional right diya uppsc ki tarah ...to bechare legal right vale kya kar lenge...SC ke paas jayenge...tab tak to final list bhi ban chuki hogi.., :D
    bhai bechare constitutional wale hone wale hai.... PIL dal dena aur NCERT quote kar dena waha bhi :D
    Bhai constitutional vale kyo bechare honge...un logo ne to pehle hi -0.66 kar rakha hai is question ke liye ...lekin 2.66 ho jaye to achha hai...lekin legal vale to 2.66 add karke baithe hai apne total mein to unka nuksaan jyada hoga....agar upsc ne aisa kiya to just like uppsc... :D >:)
  • NCERT :D :D
    now all the questions pertaining to the interpretation of indian constitution would be decided as per the relevant provisions of NCERT ... hadd hai bhai yar :D
    When ur arguments are deconstructed and u'r left with no argument yet u refused to accept defeat.. The best tactic is to resort to bitter sarcasm...
    what defeat.... winning arguments are based on grounds of sound logic and hard facts.. not on half baked assertions..
    and what u have to show in support of ur argument... lol sorry NCERT.... which is a basic document in fact a primer.... it is the same ncert which mentioned planning commission as a statutory body once lolz..
    instead of deconstructing facts try to assiduously construct ur understanding of the issue at hand .
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
    State pcs aur upsc mein fark samjho..this is why upsc doesn't release the answer key...upsc will never ever give 2 answers for 1 question in gs...answer uska ek hi hai..legal B)
    That is why answer C hi hai.. NCERT and latest rajbala case.. :wink: since day one n even aftr nearly a month has passed we are still doing this...the same thing.. Haha.. It's fun though lol
    RAJBALA is not latest bro... have a look at this

    Abhiram Singh vs C.D. Commachen (Dead) By Lrs.& Ors on 2 January, 2017
    Author: S A Bobde
    Bench: T.S. Thakur, Madan B. Lokur, S.A. Bobde


    The right to stand as a candidate and contest an election is not a common law right. It is a special right created by statute and can only be exercised on the conditions laid down by the statute. The Fundamental Rights Chapter has no bearing on a right like this created by statute. The appellants have no fundamental right to be elected members of Parliament. If they want that they must observe the rules. If they prefer to exercise their right of free speech outside these rules, the impugned sections do not stop them. We hold that these sections are intra vires.” We need say nothing more on the subject.

    https://indiankanoon.org/doc/85515763/

    Refer paragraph 47
    But bhai kya kehna chate ho.. Kaha he right to vote yaha par??.. And i am nt saying right to be elected is a fundamental right bro..
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
    State pcs aur upsc mein fark samjho..this is why upsc doesn't release the answer key...upsc will never ever give 2 answers for 1 question in gs...answer uska ek hi hai..legal B)
    That is why answer C hi hai.. NCERT and latest rajbala case.. :wink: since day one n even aftr nearly a month has passed we are still doing this...the same thing.. Haha.. It's fun though lol
    RAJBALA is not latest bro... have a look at this

    Abhiram Singh vs C.D. Commachen (Dead) By Lrs.& Ors on 2 January, 2017
    Author: S A Bobde
    Bench: T.S. Thakur, Madan B. Lokur, S.A. Bobde


    The right to stand as a candidate and contest an election is not a common law right. It is a special right created by statute and can only be exercised on the conditions laid down by the statute. The Fundamental Rights Chapter has no bearing on a right like this created by statute. The appellants have no fundamental right to be elected members of Parliament. If they want that they must observe the rules. If they prefer to exercise their right of free speech outside these rules, the impugned sections do not stop them. We hold that these sections are intra vires.” We need say nothing more on the subject.

    https://indiankanoon.org/doc/85515763/

    Refer paragraph 47
    But bhai kya kehna chate ho.. Kaha he right to vote yaha par??.. And i am nt saying right to be elected is a fundamental right bro..
    Kuch nhi vo chahta hai ki ab se aap indiankanoon ki website regular check karte rhe just like PIB... :D
  • NCERT :D :D
    now all the questions pertaining to the interpretation of indian constitution would be decided as per the relevant provisions of NCERT ... hadd hai bhai yar :D
    When ur arguments are deconstructed and u'r left with no argument yet u refused to accept defeat.. The best tactic is to resort to bitter sarcasm...
    what defeat.... winning arguments are based on grounds of sound logic and hard facts.. not on half baked assertions..
    and what u have to show in support of ur argument... lol sorry NCERT.... which is a basic document in fact a primer.... it is the same ncert which mentioned planning commission as a statutory body once lolz..
    instead of deconstructing facts try to assiduously construct ur understanding of the issue at hand .
    Okay mister "Logic" gv me a direct and clear cut evidence... I m nt quoting only Ncert bt Rajbala case as well... Yelo...
  • edited July 2017
    But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
    State pcs aur upsc mein fark samjho..this is why upsc doesn't release the answer key...upsc will never ever give 2 answers for 1 question in gs...answer uska ek hi hai..legal B)
    That is why answer C hi hai.. NCERT and latest rajbala case.. :wink: since day one n even aftr nearly a month has passed we are still doing this...the same thing.. Haha.. It's fun though lol
    RAJBALA is not latest bro... have a look at this

    Abhiram Singh vs C.D. Commachen (Dead) By Lrs.& Ors on 2 January, 2017
    Author: S A Bobde
    Bench: T.S. Thakur, Madan B. Lokur, S.A. Bobde


    The right to stand as a candidate and contest an election is not a common law right. It is a special right created by statute and can only be exercised on the conditions laid down by the statute. The Fundamental Rights Chapter has no bearing on a right like this created by statute. The appellants have no fundamental right to be elected members of Parliament. If they want that they must observe the rules. If they prefer to exercise their right of free speech outside these rules, the impugned sections do not stop them. We hold that these sections are intra vires.” We need say nothing more on the subject.

    https://indiankanoon.org/doc/85515763/

    Refer paragraph 47
    But bhai kya kehna chate ho.. Kaha he right to vote yaha par??.. And i am nt saying right to be elected is a fundamental right bro..
    As I've said before, it's not there in this judgement.

    The last case and hence most recent judgement for "right to vote" is still Rajbala case. Which calls both a constitutional right.

    This judgment + ECI website + PRS + Constitution itself makes it very very clear that Right to vote is constitutional.

    But, since the 2nd part of the question has been declared as statutory, we will have to wait for UPSC.

    Also, Mr. logic here didn't understand my comment on NCERt at all. Which as I can see now, is quite obvious why.
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
    State pcs aur upsc mein fark samjho..this is why upsc doesn't release the answer key...upsc will never ever give 2 answers for 1 question in gs...answer uska ek hi hai..legal B)
    That is why answer C hi hai.. NCERT and latest rajbala case.. :wink: since day one n even aftr nearly a month has passed we are still doing this...the same thing.. Haha.. It's fun though lol
    RAJBALA is not latest bro... have a look at this

    Abhiram Singh vs C.D. Commachen (Dead) By Lrs.& Ors on 2 January, 2017
    Author: S A Bobde
    Bench: T.S. Thakur, Madan B. Lokur, S.A. Bobde


    The right to stand as a candidate and contest an election is not a common law right. It is a special right created by statute and can only be exercised on the conditions laid down by the statute. The Fundamental Rights Chapter has no bearing on a right like this created by statute. The appellants have no fundamental right to be elected members of Parliament. If they want that they must observe the rules. If they prefer to exercise their right of free speech outside these rules, the impugned sections do not stop them. We hold that these sections are intra vires.” We need say nothing more on the subject.

    https://indiankanoon.org/doc/85515763/

    Refer paragraph 47
    But bhai kya kehna chate ho.. Kaha he right to vote yaha par??.. And i am nt saying right to be elected is a fundamental right bro..
    Right to vet elected hai na.... question puch tha right to vote and get elected

    And bahut clearly likha hai . It is a special right created by statute and can only be exercised on the conditions laid down by the statute

    I m sure you understand meaning of statue
  • But point is that article 326 does not give you right to vote.... it only says that criteria for elections could be universal adult suffarage... which means no other criteria shall be used... this has to be seen in historican sense when there were several criteria like communal electorate, property rights, educational criteria and so on... this bascically bans all those criteria.
    Correct but SC itself has given differing decision on Right to vote...though PUCL CASE(larger bench and legal right favour) has higher preference over Rajbhala case(supporting constitutional more)...may be for final verdict one day it might establish a bench like 9 judge bench which it has established for right to privacy for handling aadhaar issue...but right to vote ka legal hone ke chance jyada hai constituional se....but constitutional has more support from standard books like ncert....
    Moreso right to vote and right to be elected goes along with each other as given in ncert...
    Finally this question has been asked in UPPSC 2015 and answer was both consitutional and legal right...so lets see what upsc decides....
    State pcs aur upsc mein fark samjho..this is why upsc doesn't release the answer key...upsc will never ever give 2 answers for 1 question in gs...answer uska ek hi hai..legal B)
    That is why answer C hi hai.. NCERT and latest rajbala case.. :wink: since day one n even aftr nearly a month has passed we are still doing this...the same thing.. Haha.. It's fun though lol
    RAJBALA is not latest bro... have a look at this

    Abhiram Singh vs C.D. Commachen (Dead) By Lrs.& Ors on 2 January, 2017
    Author: S A Bobde
    Bench: T.S. Thakur, Madan B. Lokur, S.A. Bobde


    The right to stand as a candidate and contest an election is not a common law right. It is a special right created by statute and can only be exercised on the conditions laid down by the statute. The Fundamental Rights Chapter has no bearing on a right like this created by statute. The appellants have no fundamental right to be elected members of Parliament. If they want that they must observe the rules. If they prefer to exercise their right of free speech outside these rules, the impugned sections do not stop them. We hold that these sections are intra vires.” We need say nothing more on the subject.

    https://indiankanoon.org/doc/85515763/

    Refer paragraph 47
    But bhai kya kehna chate ho.. Kaha he right to vote yaha par??.. And i am nt saying right to be elected is a fundamental right bro..
    As I've said before, it's not there in this judgement.

    The last case and hence most recent judgement for "right to vote" is still Rajbala case. Which calls both a constitutional right.

    This judgment + ECI website + PRS + Constitution itself makes it very very clear that Right to vote is constitutional.

    But, since the 2nd part of the question has been declared as statutory, we will have to wait for UPSC.
    Bhai 2nd part ke liye ncert bolti hai both go along the same lines..to jo right to vote hai vhi right to be elected ke liye hai...agar ncert maano to...... :|
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