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People who are opposing CSAT are a bit confused - some say it favours engineers (absolute bollocks) - most engineers would fare very poorly compared to humanities students when it comes to reading comprehension which forms more than 50% of the paper. Some other say it does not favour non-English backgrounds - then again, except for a a few very basic reading passages which are only in English (lower than class X level), the rest of the paper is also in Hindi.
In either case, the argument against CSAT, in my opinion, is not logical.
There is a stronger case for changes in mains compulsory papers - both English and regional language. The papers this year were far too difficult to be classified as elementary qualification papers.
I love the diverse kinds of diversity in our country except the following:
1. Diversity of castes, divisions and denominations, in religions, that divide.
2. Driversity of treatment towards different people of different socioeconomic status, age, gender, place of origin, place of residence, generalisable appearance, dress, livelihood, political moral and world views, innocuous affiliations etc.
3. Diversity of applicability of laws, mores, difficult customs and norms upon one over another.
4. Diversity in liberty, equality and fraternal sentiment as enshrined on paper.
5. Diversity of behaviour towards one own as opposed to another.
6. Diversity of focus on different parts of the country when it comes to development and governance.
Language, food, dress, etc. - that I love - seem trivial in comparison to the ones listed above.
Truth of the matter is:
1. Indian society is still in a phase of reconciliation of past differences. Diversity in superficial matters are inconsequential. The society would mature and integrate maximally only when people get over the troubling diversities listed above.
2. The Indian nation is still maturing. The state is rock solid, and, has been relatively successful, from the days of its conception, in fostering national integration. However there have been failures as well.
3. The lack of a common acceptable indigenous language is certainly a hindrance to countering regionalism and allowing the national identity to overshadow the identity of our cherished regional or subcultural diversity.
Our positive diversies are cherished; our negative diversities are a bane.
Bhai that is what I am saying, diversity does not play a big role in group solidarity either positive or negative as long as the economic factors do not come into play. In this case I am a strong believer in Marx's economic determinism - economic factors are major determinants of conflict and other factors might only be secondary. It is good to have thousand languages bloom, but language cannot be a source of conflict (might be a source of solidarity in some cases), it will only reinforce conflicts in economic sphere.
@all so did those indefinitely shut metro stations open?I mean the title of the thread was about that so i thought since we are "discussing"(for lack of a suitable word) everything under the sun might as well ask about the fate of those poor stations!
Of course, I've always been in favour of a synthetic "Indian auxiliary language "created by fusing all the major Indian languages - quite like Esperanto for us desis. But I know, nobody would listen to my mind-blowing suggestion.
i have an even more radical suggestion, why not work towards promoting SANSKRIT(which is the origin of all the indian languages) right from our NURSERY to higher education. Perhaps many of you would know that sanskrit is the best language for programming(world wide accepted) and when it could be used in programming why can't for other science fields? This would solve all our language related issues like regionalism, non-uniformity, and would definately help in national integration. Ya, this is a long process and perhaps would take atleast 100 years to achieve but i think it's the best solution so that our future generations do not fall in this unnecessary debate(this debate certainly promotes sub-nationalism, in a way, at the cost of nationalism which is the prime need of our country )
It took english more than 150 years to establish itself as the lingua-franca of this country so we can definately not taste this feeling
I respect sanskrit but... Who told you Sanskrit is the mother of all Indian languages? South Indian languages especially tamil is as rich and as old as sanskrit. Read well about languages before you can claim anything like this!
You cannot impose one language on this diverse nation. Diversity is it's beauty.
Of course, I've always been in favour of a synthetic "Indian auxiliary language "created by fusing all the major Indian languages - quite like Esperanto for us desis. But I know, nobody would listen to my mind-blowing suggestion.
i have an even more radical suggestion, why not work towards promoting SANSKRIT(which is the origin of all the indian languages) right from our NURSERY to higher education. Perhaps many of you would know that sanskrit is the best language for programming(world wide accepted) and when it could be used in programming why can't for other science fields? This would solve all our language related issues like regionalism, non-uniformity, and would definately help in national integration. Ya, this is a long process and perhaps would take atleast 100 years to achieve but i think it's the best solution so that our future generations do not fall in this unnecessary debate(this debate certainly promotes sub-nationalism, in a way, at the cost of nationalism which is the prime need of our country )
It took english more than 150 years to establish itself as the lingua-franca of this country so we can definately not taste this feeling
I respect sanskrit but... Who told you Sanskrit is the mother of all Indian languages? South Indian languages especially tamil is as rich and as old as sanskrit. Read well about languages before you can claim anything like this!
You cannot impose one language on this diverse nation. Diversity is it's beauty.
.. i have an even more radical suggestion, why not work towards promoting SANSKRIT(which is the origin of all the indian languages) right from our NURSERY to higher education. Perhaps many of you would know that sanskrit is the best language for programming(world wide accepted) and when it could be used in programming why can't for other science fields? ...
I respect sanskrit but... Who told you Sanskrit is the mother of all Indian languages? South Indian languages especially tamil is as rich and as old as sanskrit. Read well about languages before you can claim anything like this!
You cannot impose one language on this diverse nation. Diversity is it's beauty.
Come on .. Definitely Sanskrit could claim ancient beyond any other surviving languages .. That doesnt mean to undermine any existing ones or subjugated due to Sanskrit ..
There are relevant facts found to be true that plenty of Sanskrit words have been used directly or indirectly among different languages , that too in foreign ones ..
While I do feel that these protestors suffer from largely imaginary prejudices, let us not rubbish them off completely. They have some legitimate demands as well. The Hindi passages, for example, are often literal translations of the corresponding English passage and much of the crux of the passage is lost in translation. This renders answering inference based question difficult. Unfortunately in their largely absurd demands, the genuine grievances lose out.
+1 have you guys seen some passages of hindi?even people with good knowledge of hindi will have difficulty understanding it in one go or twice reading like @sniper said they are literal translations of english passage hence essence of passage is lost and in csat time is of the essence
This really seems to be the real issue. How on earth can someone do RC from an incomprehensible passage? It's just sloppy paper settings.
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In either case, the argument against CSAT, in my opinion, is not logical.
There is a stronger case for changes in mains compulsory papers - both English and regional language. The papers this year were far too difficult to be classified as elementary qualification papers.
1. Diversity of castes, divisions and denominations, in religions, that divide.
2. Driversity of treatment towards different people of different socioeconomic status, age, gender, place of origin, place of residence, generalisable appearance, dress, livelihood, political moral and world views, innocuous affiliations etc.
3. Diversity of applicability of laws, mores, difficult customs and norms upon one over another.
4. Diversity in liberty, equality and fraternal sentiment as enshrined on paper.
5. Diversity of behaviour towards one own as opposed to another.
6. Diversity of focus on different parts of the country when it comes to development and governance.
Language, food, dress, etc. - that I love - seem trivial in comparison to the ones listed above.
Truth of the matter is:
1. Indian society is still in a phase of reconciliation of past differences. Diversity in superficial matters are inconsequential. The society would mature and integrate maximally only when people get over the troubling diversities listed above.
2. The Indian nation is still maturing. The state is rock solid, and, has been relatively successful, from the days of its conception, in fostering national integration. However there have been failures as well.
3. The lack of a common acceptable indigenous language is certainly a hindrance to countering regionalism and allowing the national identity to overshadow the identity of our cherished regional or subcultural diversity.
Our positive diversies are cherished; our negative diversities are a bane.
Bhai that is what I am saying, diversity does not play a big role in group solidarity either positive or negative as long as the economic factors do not come into play. In this case I am a strong believer in Marx's economic determinism - economic factors are major determinants of conflict and other factors might only be secondary. It is good to have thousand languages bloom, but language cannot be a source of conflict (might be a source of solidarity in some cases), it will only reinforce conflicts in economic sphere.
so did those indefinitely shut metro stations open?I mean the title of the thread was about that so i thought since we are "discussing"(for lack of a suitable word) everything under the sun might as well ask about the fate of those poor stations!
Who told you Sanskrit is the mother of all Indian languages? South Indian languages especially tamil is as rich and as old as sanskrit. Read well about languages before you can claim anything like this!
You cannot impose one language on this diverse nation. Diversity is it's beauty.
general checkers with less knowledge will fetch dangerous marks
"Aspirant proposes , UPSC disposes."
There are relevant facts found to be true that plenty of Sanskrit words have been used directly or indirectly among different languages , that too in foreign ones ..