IR: China- Really a threat or Political drama?

mitraark

We are too insignificant a country for China. It's the Indian mentality that thinks China's projects are aimed at limiting the rise of India. Frankly, I think they are much more concerned with what US does.

Yahi baat kabhi dosto ke samne bata diya toh bahut gali padhti. Sahi mein India ki aukaat nahi Hai kuch China ke samne for the time being.

jal

We are too insignificant a country for China. It's the Indian mentality that thinks China's projects are aimed at limiting the rise of India. Frankly, I think they are much more concerned with what US does.

I don't think so. India has direct access to Indian ocean and that is what worries China more than US. Most of its external trade is dependent on Indian ocean routes,with critical access to energy and markets.Hence it is trying to circumvent these routes via CPEC, which they have defined as their core interest, as it will make trade routes through Pakistan: a friendly coountry. What may be worrying China is Increasing Indo-US closeness as It may be strengthen capabilities of both India,(China's Neighbour) and US( as it will get a friendly country in backyard of China, which doesn'r share a complete bonhomie with China.

fieryfiesta

We are too insignificant a country for China. It's the Indian mentality that thinks China's projects are aimed at limiting the rise of India. Frankly, I think they are much more concerned with what US does.

Pakistan-China nexus is worrying though!


Agar war lag gya, China Pakistan ko support karega!

yeh sab kahne ki baat hai. IR mein koi permanent enemy or friends nahi hote . In times of war, cost of action/inaction will decide the alignment.
Russia's support for India is also based on this consideration.
See, now it has started drifting towrads Pakistan through it military exercises and arms sale

jal

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fieryfiesta

We are too insignificant a country for China. It's the Indian mentality that thinks China's projects are aimed at limiting the rise of India. Frankly, I think they are much more concerned with what US does.

I don't think so. India has direct access to Indian ocean and that is what worries China more than US. Most of its external trade is dependent on Indian ocean routes,with critical access to energy and markets.Hence it is trying to circumvent these routes via CPEC, which they have defined as their core interest, as it will make trade routes through Pakistan: a friendly coountry. What may be worrying China is Increasing Indo-US closeness as It may be strengthen capabilities of both India,(China's Neighbour) and US( as it will get a friendly country in backyard of China, which doesn'r share a complete bonhomie with China.

That CPEC project and Gwadar port is more of commercial in nature rather as strategic tool to contain India. Everyone knows that development of 1-2 bases in Indian ocean can't really match the might of Indian navy in its own backyard. We can easily blockade ports and have the capability to do so. Don't look everything with suspicion
Even US knows that countering Indian navy in Indian ocean is beyond their limit.

Rocky_Sultan

Should we be really be worried and so suspicious about China?
I mean, look, we want Pakistan to be convinced that whatever we do in Afghanistan is to gain access to west and central asia.
But when China does something why should we be so suspicions?
Is it really because of US media which Indian media blindly follows?
How true is the image US media where it projects China as dragon is true?

What affects will these things have after Trump wins?

Oh god, why why why why?

PS: Had a glass of water..

Why else would any country support Pakistan?

Yes bec Real Politik and Spheres of influence overlap
it has become one in SCS and in Japan case. Has border dispute with us, so it may become assertive

No bec war can literally rip China apart, economically and political unrest people

Just my understanding

Bhai...Thanks...
But what are ur views about my thoughts "Western media imposing fears on us about China to fulfill their strategic interests?"

Policymakers are way too intelligent to be swayed by western media. All this hullabaloo is limited to the general populace. Behind closed doors, both sides are making policies that serve their own strategic interests; the media plays no role, or a peripheral role at best.

Oh doc... But Indian middle class play a big role na? I mean they wanted India to be near to USA., and thus on middle class opinion our govt did so... This is what i read somewhere.
Isnt this reality then?

Or behind the screen lobbying ?

@CreatingRevolution Dude did you seriously just say that ? Let me tell you something (excuse me if I am being blunt) : 1. in IR there are several approaches like realism, liberalism but NEVER optimism. You will definitely not create a revolution in IR with that rather only blunder.
2. As one of the experts once told me "In IR, you read less and think more". So please use that organ which is up there.
3. Analysis of past events and estimating possible future outcomes are two very different things. Actually the first is a mere subset of the latter.

jal

We are too insignificant a country for China. It's the Indian mentality that thinks China's projects are aimed at limiting the rise of India. Frankly, I think they are much more concerned with what US does.

I don't think so. India has direct access to Indian ocean and that is what worries China more than US. Most of its external trade is dependent on Indian ocean routes,with critical access to energy and markets.Hence it is trying to circumvent these routes via CPEC, which they have defined as their core interest, as it will make trade routes through Pakistan: a friendly coountry. What may be worrying China is Increasing Indo-US closeness as It may be strengthen capabilities of both India,(China's Neighbour) and US( as it will get a friendly country in backyard of China, which doesn'r share a complete bonhomie with China.

That CPEC project and Gwadar port is more of commercial in nature rather as strategic tool to contain India. Everyone knows that development of 1-2 bases in Indian ocean can't really match the might of Indian navy in its own backyard. We can easily blockade ports and have the capability to do so. Don't look everything with suspicion
Even US knows that countering Indian navy in Indian ocean is beyond their limit.

Are bhai you are confusing things.....At present Securing trade routes in Indian ocean is a priority for China..So in a sense safeguarding its economic interest has become its strategic interest in Indian ocean. By opening CPEC ,it intends to bypass the strategic leverage India has in Indian ocean. You know all strategic interests eventually boils down to economic interests. If China didn't have any economic interest in Indian ocean, Our relationship would be far more healthier. It is not that we inherently hate each other. It is all about growing suspicion about each other.

fieryfiesta

We are too insignificant a country for China. It's the Indian mentality that thinks China's projects are aimed at limiting the rise of India. Frankly, I think they are much more concerned with what US does.

I don't think so. India has direct access to Indian ocean and that is what worries China more than US. Most of its external trade is dependent on Indian ocean routes,with critical access to energy and markets.Hence it is trying to circumvent these routes via CPEC, which they have defined as their core interest, as it will make trade routes through Pakistan: a friendly coountry. What may be worrying China is Increasing Indo-US closeness as It may be strengthen capabilities of both India,(China's Neighbour) and US( as it will get a friendly country in backyard of China, which doesn'r share a complete bonhomie with China.

That CPEC project and Gwadar port is more of commercial in nature rather as strategic tool to contain India. Everyone knows that development of 1-2 bases in Indian ocean can't really match the might of Indian navy in its own backyard. We can easily blockade ports and have the capability to do so. Don't look everything with suspicion
Even US knows that countering Indian navy in Indian ocean is beyond their limit.

Are bhai you are confusing things.....At present Securing trade routes in Indian ocean is a priority for China..So in a sense safeguarding its economic interest has become its strategic interest in Indian ocean. By opening CPEC ,it intends to bypass the strategic leverage India has in Indian ocean. You know all strategic interests eventually boils down to economic interests.

That's what I'm saying.
China knows that it cannot bypass the strategic leverage that we have in the Indian ocean due to our unique geographical position.
India can easily block Malacca Strait and we can easily block Gwadar Port. So how can they bypass this.
We have this leverage and it will always remain as so, no matter what

jal

We are too insignificant a country for China. It's the Indian mentality that thinks China's projects are aimed at limiting the rise of India. Frankly, I think they are much more concerned with what US does.

I don't think so. India has direct access to Indian ocean and that is what worries China more than US. Most of its external trade is dependent on Indian ocean routes,with critical access to energy and markets.Hence it is trying to circumvent these routes via CPEC, which they have defined as their core interest, as it will make trade routes through Pakistan: a friendly coountry. What may be worrying China is Increasing Indo-US closeness as It may be strengthen capabilities of both India,(China's Neighbour) and US( as it will get a friendly country in backyard of China, which doesn'r share a complete bonhomie with China.

That CPEC project and Gwadar port is more of commercial in nature rather as strategic tool to contain India. Everyone knows that development of 1-2 bases in Indian ocean can't really match the might of Indian navy in its own backyard. We can easily blockade ports and have the capability to do so. Don't look everything with suspicion
Even US knows that countering Indian navy in Indian ocean is beyond their limit.

Are bhai you are confusing things.....At present Securing trade routes in Indian ocean is a priority for China..So in a sense safeguarding its economic interest has become its strategic interest in Indian ocean. By opening CPEC ,it intends to bypass the strategic leverage India has in Indian ocean. You know all strategic interests eventually boils down to economic interests.

That's what I'm saying.
China knows that it cannot bypass the strategic leverage that we have in the Indian ocean due to our unique geographical position.
India can easily block Malacca Strait and we can easily block Gwadar Port. So how can they bypass this.
We have this leverage and it will always remain as so, no matter what

So China does have a good reason to worry about India, It is not just mentality. I think we are saying same thing.

fieryfiesta

Bro leverage hone ka yeh matlab nahi hai ki they should worry about us.
Yeh sab toh diplomatic tools hai jo negotiations mein kaam aate hain.
We have leverage over many island countries in Indian Ocean, but that doesn't mean they all see India as a threat