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IR: China- Really a threat or Political drama?

CreatingRevolutionCreatingRevolution
edited November 2016 in International Relations
Should we be really be worried and so suspicious about China?
I mean, look, we want Pakistan to be convinced that whatever we do in Afghanistan is to gain access to west and central asia.
But when China does something why should we be so suspicions?
Is it really because of US media which Indian media blindly follows?
How true is the image US media where it projects China as dragon is true?

What affects will these things have after Trump wins?

Oh god, why why why why? :wink:

PS: Had a glass of water.. :tongue:
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  • Rocky_SultanRocky_Sultan
    Whoaa, definitely we have more than enough reasons to be suspicious of China.

    1. let's look at recent history : China is expanding it's sphere of influence in south asian and south-east asian region. (string of pearls, one belt initiative, aggressive naval policy) and India is it's main contender in south asian region
    2. China has strategic interest in PoK : Not only Gwadar and One belt initiative but its one of the province also borders PoK. Residents have no ethnic or cultural similarities with mainland china. So China is also worried of terrorism entering it's territory through Pok into Chinese Province. Hence, it is trying to keep strong hold of Pak over PoK.
    3. Now if Trump wins and if he reconciles US-RU relations, it will be better for IN. However if Clinton wins, there are very less chances of reconciliations and both US-RU will lose, however as in a story of panchtantra, in the fight between two cats (RU-US) the monkey (China) will benefit the most.
    4. However, after modi government has come to power, it has been very active on this front and has deployed various tactics to counter this chinese invasion in economy and territory. Eg. Chahbahar port, make in IN,etc.

    PS : Haven't you heard that IN has deployed recently T-72 tanks on Aksai china border and Brahmos on Arunachal border ? I believe this fact alone proves the deteriorated relations between IN-CHN.
  • CreatingRevolutionCreatingRevolution
    Whoaa, definitely we have more than enough reasons to be suspicious of China.

    1. let's look at recent history : China is expanding it's sphere of influence in south asian and south-east asian region. (string of pearls, one belt initiative, aggressive naval policy) and India is it's main contender in south asian region
    2. China has strategic interest in PoK : Not only Gwadar and One belt initiative but its one of the province also borders PoK. Residents have no ethnic or cultural similarities with mainland china. So China is also worried of terrorism entering it's territory through Pok into Chinese Province. Hence, it is trying to keep strong hold of Pak over PoK.
    3. Now if Trump wins and if he reconciles US-RU relations, it will be better for IN. However if Clinton wins, there are very less chances of reconciliations and both US-RU will lose, however as in a story of panchtantra, in the fight between two cats (RU-US) the monkey (China) will benefit the most.
    4. However, after modi government has come to power, it has been very active on this front and has deployed various tactics to counter this chinese invasion in economy and territory. Eg. Chahbahar port, make in IN,etc.

    PS : Haven't you heard that IN has deployed recently T-72 tanks on Aksai china border and Brahmos on Arunachal border ? I believe this fact alone proves the deteriorated relations between IN-CHN.
    Bhai, thanks.., But my question was entirely different... There are many more facts more than what you said that everyone knows... But my question was, why should we look at it suspiciously? why reason for doubt? only because its supporting Pakistan and because of our past Indo china war?

    Or are we being blind and are we being a fool in considering China as an opportunity rather than threat?
  • Rocky_SultanRocky_Sultan
    @CreatingRevolution Bhai I don't know if you can find it online somewhere or not but if you do, you will see that current actual LAC is into IN border and not where it is generally showed on map. There is a place called raki Nala which CHN wanted to occupy and is very crucial strategic location. However as of now stand off between two armies prevail there. CHN has deployed 3 steps forward, 2 steps backward policy at LAC.

    2nd about Gwadar, have you seen its location? It's so located that if CHN has control over it during time of war or retaliation it can severe our oil import very effectively. You can search about this point on Internet to get elaborate answer.

    There are other such issues as well, but I believe when national integrity and sovereignty at stake just 1 reason is also sufficient to prepare for the worst.
  • CreatingRevolutionCreatingRevolution
    Should we be really be worried and so suspicious about China?
    I mean, look, we want Pakistan to be convinced that whatever we do in Afghanistan is to gain access to west and central asia.
    But when China does something why should we be so suspicions?
    Is it really because of US media which Indian media blindly follows?
    How true is the image US media where it projects China as dragon is true?

    What affects will these things have after Trump wins?

    Oh god, why why why why? :wink:

    PS: Had a glass of water.. :tongue:
    Why else would any country support Pakistan?
    Yes bec Real Politik and Spheres of influence overlap
    it has become one in SCS and in Japan case. Has border dispute with us, so it may become assertive

    No bec war can literally rip China apart, economically and political unrest people

    Just my understanding
    Bhai...Thanks...
    But what are ur views about my thoughts "Western media imposing fears on us about China to fulfill their strategic interests?"
    :)
  • DrKingSchultzDrKingSchultz
    Should we be really be worried and so suspicious about China?
    I mean, look, we want Pakistan to be convinced that whatever we do in Afghanistan is to gain access to west and central asia.
    But when China does something why should we be so suspicions?
    Is it really because of US media which Indian media blindly follows?
    How true is the image US media where it projects China as dragon is true?

    What affects will these things have after Trump wins?

    Oh god, why why why why? :wink:

    PS: Had a glass of water.. :tongue:
    Why else would any country support Pakistan?
    Yes bec Real Politik and Spheres of influence overlap
    it has become one in SCS and in Japan case. Has border dispute with us, so it may become assertive

    No bec war can literally rip China apart, economically and political unrest people

    Just my understanding
    Bhai...Thanks...
    But what are ur views about my thoughts "Western media imposing fears on us about China to fulfill their strategic interests?"
    :)
    Policymakers are way too intelligent to be swayed by western media. All this hullabaloo is limited to the general populace. Behind closed doors, both sides are making policies that serve their own strategic interests; the media plays no role, or a peripheral role at best.
  • CreatingRevolutionCreatingRevolution
    edited November 2016
    Should we be really be worried and so suspicious about China?
    I mean, look, we want Pakistan to be convinced that whatever we do in Afghanistan is to gain access to west and central asia.
    But when China does something why should we be so suspicions?
    Is it really because of US media which Indian media blindly follows?
    How true is the image US media where it projects China as dragon is true?

    What affects will these things have after Trump wins?

    Oh god, why why why why? :wink:

    PS: Had a glass of water.. :tongue:
    Why else would any country support Pakistan?
    Yes bec Real Politik and Spheres of influence overlap
    it has become one in SCS and in Japan case. Has border dispute with us, so it may become assertive

    No bec war can literally rip China apart, economically and political unrest people

    Just my understanding
    Bhai...Thanks...
    But what are ur views about my thoughts "Western media imposing fears on us about China to fulfill their strategic interests?"
    :)
    Policymakers are way too intelligent to be swayed by western media. All this hullabaloo is limited to the general populace. Behind closed doors, both sides are making policies that serve their own strategic interests; the media plays no role, or a peripheral role at best.
    Oh doc... But Indian middle class play a big role na? :) I mean they wanted India to be near to USA., and thus on middle class opinion our govt did so... This is what i read somewhere.
    Isnt this reality then? :)

    Or behind the screen lobbying ? :tongue:
  • DrKingSchultzDrKingSchultz
    Should we be really be worried and so suspicious about China?
    I mean, look, we want Pakistan to be convinced that whatever we do in Afghanistan is to gain access to west and central asia.
    But when China does something why should we be so suspicions?
    Is it really because of US media which Indian media blindly follows?
    How true is the image US media where it projects China as dragon is true?

    What affects will these things have after Trump wins?

    Oh god, why why why why? :wink:

    PS: Had a glass of water.. :tongue:
    Why else would any country support Pakistan?
    Yes bec Real Politik and Spheres of influence overlap
    it has become one in SCS and in Japan case. Has border dispute with us, so it may become assertive

    No bec war can literally rip China apart, economically and political unrest people

    Just my understanding
    Bhai...Thanks...
    But what are ur views about my thoughts "Western media imposing fears on us about China to fulfill their strategic interests?"
    :)
    Policymakers are way too intelligent to be swayed by western media. All this hullabaloo is limited to the general populace. Behind closed doors, both sides are making policies that serve their own strategic interests; the media plays no role, or a peripheral role at best.
    Oh doc... But Indian middle class play a big role na? :) I mean they wanted India to be near to USA., and thus on middle class opinion our govt did so... This is what i read somewhere.
    Isnt this reality then? :)

    Or behind the screen lobbying ? :tongue:
    Arre nahi yaar.. Citizenry does play a role, and taking care of their interests is why the leaders are chosen.
    But the shift towards US has been ongoing since more than a decade for several reasons, not only the China angle.
    Nuclear power, diaspora, software exports and trade, FDI etc. are some of them.
    You meant to say that US is using India for it's own purposes, but actually, India and US are both using each other to further their strategic interests.
    It is not that India is shifting towards US because the middle-class wants it, it is shifting so that the shift can help the country, and by extension it's citizens, in more ways than one. There's a difference.
  • fieryfiestafieryfiesta
    We are too insignificant a country for China. It's the Indian mentality that thinks China's projects are aimed at limiting the rise of India. Frankly, I think they are much more concerned with what US does.
  • dragonborndragonborn
    We are too insignificant a country for China. It's the Indian mentality that thinks China's projects are aimed at limiting the rise of India. Frankly, I think they are much more concerned with what US does.
    Pakistan-China nexus is worrying though!


    Agar war lag gya, China Pakistan ko support karega!
  • DrKingSchultzDrKingSchultz
    Koi war nahi lagega bhai. No country's economy can handle a war at this time.
    It'll be limited to border skirmishes and bleeding from a thousand cuts.
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