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Just gone thru UPSC 66th annual report for IFS exam at page 109 onwards....1417 qualified pre'15, out of which 991 applied for mains and 736 actually appeared... Considering this trend, it might happen in 2016 also... Don't know what is the logic of merging it with civils pre........
nahi dost... this yr this trend will nt hold.... this yr actually at least 1200 people will appear for the exam out of 1353 selected....
I think the probationers and officers need to make the change from within, request a separation of exams and go back to the original system. Or at least factor in csat for forestry. Or heck filter out the "non science" candidates.
I mean the engineering services haven't let go of their system, what was the logic behind combining ifs?
Its either that moef doesn't care who joins or not. Or that they simply are too laid back and want to retain the legitimately interested candidates. Kind of like passive osmosis.
Bhai this is not some random decision but a well-thought decision. Many committees have been setup to modernize the recruitment to IFS.
Logic IFS was merged with CSE to broaden the source of recruits, to attract best talent in the service, to reduce the bias towards forestry graduates. It was evident from the fact that even in the year 2013 (Changes came into force) there was a massive shift from Agriculture/Forestry disciplines to Engineering. UPSC now has now scheduled the exam after CSE with a time lag, so as to further increase the number of aspirants taking mains examination. Also there is a perception that any service through CSE is superior service. So merging with CSE also creates the positive image about IFS.
The amount of money spent on per probationer is one of the highest in IFS among all services. Training has been reviewed, specialization option in fields such as wildlife crime detection and control, GIS, climate change etc is provided to the probationers. There has been a discussion to include more optionals in the examination.
Bhai all arts graduate are not excluded from applying. The popular perception is that eligibility is restricted to graduates in science subjects and technology, but as per the notification Arts or Humanities graduates can apply if they just had Statistics as one of their subjects. I agree they need to be more specific and remove confusion
Rationale for Science background. Most countries Forest/environment Service are restricted to science graduates rather than the general pool of candidates because the training and thus services need a firm base of maths and science concepts. Other wise training needs to begin at elementary level. Now from the start only they can go on to a more rigorous and wide coverage of field experiences, recent advances and research findings, and so on.
hi .. i totally agree with u... .. ifos ke serious aspirants ke saath bahut masti ho rahi hai... they need to change this .. mayb add csat marks .. to create some differentiation... last yr ki topper vidushi ne bhi IRS join kar liya .... kya itna kharab hai kya IFos ..uske toh daddy bhi ifos hain....
Bhai AFAIK, she has not decided yet. Her name is appearing with IRS IT in exemption list on Sargam portal, as she sought the exemption from 92nd FC LBSNAA and She has taken similar exemption from IFS from MoEF. Even though she does it's her personal choice. Many prefer IRS over IPS, it doesn't make IPS an inferior service.
I think the probationers and officers need to make the change from within, request a separation of exams and go back to the original system. Or at least factor in csat for forestry. Or heck filter out the "non science" candidates.
I mean the engineering services haven't let go of their system, what was the logic behind combining ifs?
Its either that moef doesn't care who joins or not. Or that they simply are too laid back and want to retain the legitimately interested candidates. Kind of like passive osmosis.
Bhai this is not some random decision but a well-thought decision. Many committees have been setup to modernize the recruitment to IFS.
Logic IFS was merged with CSE to broaden the source of recruits, to attract best talent in the service, to reduce the bias towards forestry graduates. It was evident from the fact that even in the year 2013 (Changes came into force) there was a massive shift from Agriculture/Forestry disciplines to Engineering. UPSC now has now scheduled the exam after CSE with a time lag, so as to further increase the number of aspirants taking mains examination. Also there is a perception that any service through CSE is superior service. So merging with CSE also creates the positive image about IFS.
The amount of money spent on per probationer is one of the highest in IFS among all services. Training has been reviewed, specialization option in fields such as wildlife crime detection and control, GIS, climate change etc is provided to the probationers. There has been a discussion to include more optionals in the examination.
Bhai all arts graduate are not excluded from applying. The popular perception is that eligibility is restricted to graduates in science subjects and technology, but as per the notification Arts or Humanities graduates can apply if they just had Statistics as one of their subjects. I agree they need to be more specific and remove confusion
Rationale for Science background. Most countries Forest/environment Service are restricted to science graduates rather than the general pool of candidates because the training and thus services need a firm base of maths and science concepts. Other wise training needs to begin at elementary level. Now from the start only they can go on to a more rigorous and wide coverage of field experiences, recent advances and research findings, and so on.
Mera bhai saab ban gaya! Did you get to meet the president?
No, no I agree with you. What I meant to point out is that with the combined prelims both sides are suffering. The CSM folks would be better off with fewer science/env questions. The forest only folks will have streamlined competition. I wouldn't say there was a shift from natural sciences/ag tech to engineering. It simply is that this country has too many engineering graduates How many engineers do you know of that take an engineering optional and manage to survive?The usual toppers are from the agricultural/natural science colleges, innit. What is the usual attrition rate from forestry to other services?
Indeed, indeed. This is a good way to broaden the outreach of the forest service and gain more talent while avoiding being elitist. But still you know what I am trying to say. They need to define the boundaries.
I think the probationers and officers need to make the change from within, request a separation of exams and go back to the original system. Or at least factor in csat for forestry. Or heck filter out the "non science" candidates.
I mean the engineering services haven't let go of their system, what was the logic behind combining ifs?
Its either that moef doesn't care who joins or not. Or that they simply are too laid back and want to retain the legitimately interested candidates. Kind of like passive osmosis.
Bhai this is not some random decision but a well-thought decision. Many committees have been setup to modernize the recruitment to IFS.
Logic IFS was merged with CSE to broaden the source of recruits, to attract best talent in the service, to reduce the bias towards forestry graduates. It was evident from the fact that even in the year 2013 (Changes came into force) there was a massive shift from Agriculture/Forestry disciplines to Engineering. UPSC now has now scheduled the exam after CSE with a time lag, so as to further increase the number of aspirants taking mains examination. Also there is a perception that any service through CSE is superior service. So merging with CSE also creates the positive image about IFS.
The amount of money spent on per probationer is one of the highest in IFS among all services. Training has been reviewed, specialization option in fields such as wildlife crime detection and control, GIS, climate change etc is provided to the probationers. There has been a discussion to include more optionals in the examination.
Bhai all arts graduate are not excluded from applying. The popular perception is that eligibility is restricted to graduates in science subjects and technology, but as per the notification Arts or Humanities graduates can apply if they just had Statistics as one of their subjects. I agree they need to be more specific and remove confusion
Rationale for Science background. Most countries Forest/environment Service are restricted to science graduates rather than the general pool of candidates because the training and thus services need a firm base of maths and science concepts. Other wise training needs to begin at elementary level. Now from the start only they can go on to a more rigorous and wide coverage of field experiences, recent advances and research findings, and so on.
Mera bhai saab ban gaya! Did you get to meet the president?
No, no I agree with you. What I meant to point out is that with the combined prelims both sides are suffering. The CSM folks would be better off with fewer science/env questions. The forest only folks will have streamlined competition. I wouldn't say there was a shift from natural sciences/ag tech to engineering. It simply is that this country has too many engineering graduates How many engineers do you know of that take an engineering optional and manage to survive?The usual toppers are from the agricultural/natural science colleges, innit. What is the usual attrition rate from forestry to other services?
Indeed, indeed. This is a good way to broaden the outreach of the forest service and gain more talent while avoiding being elitist. But still you know what I am trying to say. They need to define the boundaries.
Groan~~~phir se surveying?!!
bhai next year Haha.. bhai steel ne band baja rakhi hai
you are an inspiration. I hope you make it, this country needs people this inspired to work at moef.
Ha Ha!! Thank you @sylvian_10 !! Have been observing you since last yr...your google drive link did come in handy! Best wishes for the Mains!
If you haven't could you please share your interview transcript, 210 is pretty solid. A word file/pdf would be great.
I will definitely try to remember the questions and compile them in a doc.
But just a brief outline,
1) most of the questions had come from what I had stressed on (keywords) in my DAF.(which I had prepared extensively) 2) I did not make-up anything...I had good idea of things i had mentioned in my daf
(Sunderbans -- i live close by and many questions were asked from this topic. I was aware of the socio-economic-environmental issues and also the man-animal conflicts and steps taken by the dept to bring it down. Moreover I had extensive discussions with the serving field director of Sunderbans before the interview
Western Ghats -- I had worked in the field of wildlife conservation with NGOs here...so obvious questions followed...Biodiversity Hotspots in India and criteria, Kasturirangan report and Gadgil Committee report and their differences, which one should be implemented and why, etc. )
3) Some questions related to Forestry and environment like Shelter Belts. Organic Farming, etc
4) Questions on Trump's ascent and how it will affect Indian IT industry (because of my IT experience)
I think the probationers and officers need to make the change from within, request a separation of exams and go back to the original system. Or at least factor in csat for forestry. Or heck filter out the "non science" candidates.
I mean the engineering services haven't let go of their system, what was the logic behind combining ifs?
Its either that moef doesn't care who joins or not. Or that they simply are too laid back and want to retain the legitimately interested candidates. Kind of like passive osmosis.
Bhai this is not some random decision but a well-thought decision. Many committees have been setup to modernize the recruitment to IFS.
Logic IFS was merged with CSE to broaden the source of recruits, to attract best talent in the service, to reduce the bias towards forestry graduates. It was evident from the fact that even in the year 2013 (Changes came into force) there was a massive shift from Agriculture/Forestry disciplines to Engineering. UPSC now has now scheduled the exam after CSE with a time lag, so as to further increase the number of aspirants taking mains examination. Also there is a perception that any service through CSE is superior service. So merging with CSE also creates the positive image about IFS.
The amount of money spent on per probationer is one of the highest in IFS among all services. Training has been reviewed, specialization option in fields such as wildlife crime detection and control, GIS, climate change etc is provided to the probationers. There has been a discussion to include more optionals in the examination.
Bhai all arts graduate are not excluded from applying. The popular perception is that eligibility is restricted to graduates in science subjects and technology, but as per the notification Arts or Humanities graduates can apply if they just had Statistics as one of their subjects. I agree they need to be more specific and remove confusion
Rationale for Science background. Most countries Forest/environment Service are restricted to science graduates rather than the general pool of candidates because the training and thus services need a firm base of maths and science concepts. Other wise training needs to begin at elementary level. Now from the start only they can go on to a more rigorous and wide coverage of field experiences, recent advances and research findings, and so on.
Guys check this reply by Dr. Harsh Vardhan Had mailed to him about the same issues.
Maybe all of us can mail him about the Reserve List / Wait-list issue to try and get his attention and bring in some reforms in this senseless recruitment process for IFoS.
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Moral of the story: study hard and crack prelims... this is the only and only way to get into this prestigious service
Logic
IFS was merged with CSE to broaden the source of recruits, to attract best talent in the service, to reduce the bias towards forestry graduates. It was evident from the fact that even in the year 2013 (Changes came into force) there was a massive shift from Agriculture/Forestry disciplines to Engineering. UPSC now has now scheduled the exam after CSE with a time lag, so as to further increase the number of aspirants taking mains examination. Also there is a perception that any service through CSE is superior service. So merging with CSE also creates the positive image about IFS.
The amount of money spent on per probationer is one of the highest in IFS among all services. Training has been reviewed, specialization option in fields such as wildlife crime detection and control, GIS, climate change etc is provided to the probationers. There has been a discussion to include more optionals in the examination.
Bhai all arts graduate are not excluded from applying. The popular perception is that eligibility is restricted to graduates in science subjects and technology, but as per the notification Arts or Humanities graduates can apply if they just had Statistics as one of their subjects. I agree they need to be more specific and remove confusion
Rationale for Science background.
Most countries Forest/environment Service are restricted to science graduates rather than the general pool of candidates because the training and thus services need a firm base of maths and science concepts. Other wise training needs to begin at elementary level. Now from the start only they can go on to a more rigorous and wide coverage of field experiences, recent advances and research findings, and so on.
Bhai ye training ka syllabus dekho, you will get what I am trying to say:
http://www.ignfa.gov.in/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=THQ8xjYpTAc=&tabid=322&language=en-US
No, no I agree with you. What I meant to point out is that with the combined prelims both sides are suffering. The CSM folks would be better off with fewer science/env questions. The forest only folks will have streamlined competition. I wouldn't say there was a shift from natural sciences/ag tech to engineering.
It simply is that this country has too many engineering graduates
Indeed, indeed. This is a good way to broaden the outreach of the forest service and gain more talent while avoiding being elitist. But still you know what I am trying to say. They need to define the boundaries.
Groan~~~phir se surveying?!!
Haha.. bhai steel ne band baja rakhi hai
But just a brief outline,
1) most of the questions had come from what I had stressed on (keywords) in my DAF.(which I had prepared extensively)
2) I did not make-up anything...I had good idea of things i had mentioned in my daf
(Sunderbans -- i live close by and many questions were asked from this topic. I was aware of the socio-economic-environmental issues and also the man-animal conflicts and steps taken by the dept to bring it down. Moreover I had extensive discussions with the serving field director of Sunderbans before the interview
Western Ghats -- I had worked in the field of wildlife conservation with NGOs here...so obvious questions followed...Biodiversity Hotspots in India and criteria, Kasturirangan report and Gadgil Committee report and their differences, which one should be implemented and why, etc. )
3) Some questions related to Forestry and environment like Shelter Belts. Organic Farming, etc
4) Questions on Trump's ascent and how it will affect Indian IT industry (because of my IT experience)
you cleared many of my confusions.
Guys check this reply by Dr. Harsh Vardhan
Had mailed to him about the same issues.
Maybe all of us can mail him about the Reserve List / Wait-list issue to try and get his attention and bring in some reforms in this senseless recruitment process for IFoS.