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Impact of this INTOLERATION debate on International image of India

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  • @sunnykumar that what COngressi wants that it hampers India global image and stall the development agenda propagated by BJP..Because If this country develops economically and there is Happiness ..poeple will not vote again for congress..and they want GARIB to exist..who else votes for them..Modi Shud also Patch up with AAP..that wud be a booster i think..
    @nova
  • @sunnykumar that what COngressi wants that it hampers India global image and stall the development agenda propagated by BJP..Because If this country develops economically and there is Happiness ..poeple will not vote again for congress..and they want GARIB to exist..who else votes for them..Modi Shud also Patch up with AAP..that wud be a booster i think..
    @nova
    Yes congress game plan seems to be so....but aap and bjp tie up seems difficult......
    BTW I had read somewhere in past that the Anna anti corruption movt was the brain child of Vivekananda memorial foundation Delhi(a Delhi based think tank group affiliated to rss). Aap party was a spill over of the same movt.. Bjp tried to project congress as a corrupted gov(which it actually is to its very core) . secondly former pm as just a puppet and scared of doing anything........ Where the only other option was the modiji who has 56inch chest ;)
  • And when aap party proved to be out of bjps control they have let them to win(kiran bedi and no grassroot work) and prove aap as anarchist party or someone who can do any meaningful work........Mr kejriwal ji too is an opportunist.......( though it seems quite filmsy and hard to believe.... But we never kniw)
  • leave aside writers ...narayan murthy and raghuram rajan also speaking against intolerance .dont you people think they have higher intellectual leval and access to more people in society than you ? everything is not manufactured by media .......when corruption was rampant under congress rule ..congress cried hoarse that it will defame india image ..now bjp crying this will defame india image .,.,.a lot shit can happy under this bloody fake nationalism.....
  • *can happen
  • I don't think saying 'this is wrong' and 'this is right' is going to be of any help in this situation. So I will list, few of the confusions in discussions I think is prevailing -
    Confusion 1:
    If one opposes an incidence of communalism, he must be supporter of congress or left.
    Confusion 2:
    If one supports some left leaning ideas then he must also be supporting all the wrongs done by left in India.
    Confusion 3:
    Because intellectuals didn't protest injustice before so they should not protest it in present/future either.
    Confusion 4:
    Because in the past, opposition didn't make communal events a political issue, no future opposition parties should do so either.
  • Have a thought on this.
    Source: Internet

    I am confused as a hindu who wants to stay secular and each day this confusion increases……Yes I am born as a hindu in India ,went to a Christian school ….celebrated diwali at home but Christmas in school with equal fervor .Visit to a cathedral or hearing bible verses never instilled any fear that my religion is at stake …because as a hindu I am supposed to be secular and accept all religions.
    In india its fashionable to be a secular hindu….
    But I really wonder aloud today, what would have been the reaction in media and our so called intellectuals if a school run by a hindu trust or organization had opened a school amongst Christianity dominated area and had sung verses from Gita or Mahabharata!!! All hell would have broken loose for sure .
    14 years of education in a Christian run school did not make me a Christian ..i am still a hindu but I have one more reason in my life to be happy when its Christmas …
    As a hindu if I can handle 33 crores of gods and deity ,I can definitely handle few more gods and still be a hindu…I don’t fear ..I am a hindu …I imbibe ..i don’t run away ….but what am I supposed to do when I see my muslim and Christian friends refusing Prasad /or rejecting getting a tilak done on their forehead…how many of muslims and Christians have visited ..vaishno devi or tirupati…
    Now …just ask how many hindus have visited Ajmer Sharif or Deva shareef or Swarna mandir or cathedral .Is so called secularism has to be only a Hindu’s responsibility !
    If India has to be secular then state should not interfere with religion …but then why should my tax money has to go for Haj subsidy ..Is that not a special favour to one religion .This is my question …but as a hindu am still confused….if just one haj subsidy allows my muslim brothers and sister to be happy then am happy to still let them do it .I would love to hear stories of their trip ….am happy to say “Eid Mubarak”…I don’t fear because I am Hindu .
    Why my so called intellectuals never blamed successive governments for allowing such communalism …why they never returned their awards ….
    Why St.Stefens in Delhi is allowed to give preference only to Christian candidates while hiring ……They exist on a piece of land which belongs to INDIA and not to Hindus,Christians or Muslims …then preference to anybody on the basis of religion is communalism and not secularism.
    Why authors and scientists and people like Dibakar bannerjee never protested against St Stefens ?
    Currently am residing in a country which claims with pride that we are a Christian nation and the world media doesn’t target it at all .Britain easily refuses permission to create a mosque higher than St.Pauls cathedral…A mosque which will be built by their own citizens living and working in this country ,,,but BBC doesn’t run a documentary on the plight of muslims being tortured and not given equal rights in Britain !! They don’t get a lecture from Obama to embrace secularism as yet !!
    However ,in India I still don’t support demolishing a mosque which was built by an Invader !!A nation with 80% of its populations as Hindus has taken more than 60 years to built a temple for their deity.As a Hindu I would still support a temple and a mosque together there …..rather than just a temple …I don’t boast my religion …..and I Don’t believe that I am the best…I believe that all are equal for I am a Hindu.
    If my son has to marry a Christian girl tomorrow ..I will not ask the girl to convert…I have no such concept ..but my son will have to convert to christianity just to marry the girl of her dreams ….is that not communalism which is openly being practiced by minorities in India ….!! If inter-cast marriages are supported then why not inter-religion ……let there be true secularism in India …..and not this blurred version of secularism,created by pseudo –intellectuals !!
    I have no award to be given back …no talent to make a documentary or debate the issue on a TV channel.But my belief that God is one and all religions should be respected gets shaken everyday in my Mind….As a Hindu …am I being taught to stay oppressed in India ? Is that secularism??
    I am a woman ,a hindu woman ,who wants to teach her son to respect all religions …and want to tell him that if you light a candle in a church, bow your head in a Mosque , do seva in a Gurudwara…. You will not cease to be hindu …….for you are a Hindu and always will be a hindu .You will never learn to fear .
    Yes I am…… confused …..but I still don’t fear for I am a Hindu .I will not eat Beef but will not support a ban on it !! but please don’t mock my religious feeling by doing a Beef –Party just to mock me !! atleast that much I can expect .
    If you want to return your award then return it and say that you ‘ll accept it back only when beef –ban is removed ,haj subsidy is stopped ,polygamy among muslims to be declared illegal,no special reservations for any minority in their institutions ....,triple Talaq to be stopped and not compulsion of change of religion in inter –religion marriages !!
  • I don't think saying 'this is wrong' and 'this is right' is going to be of any help in this situation. So I will list, few of the confusions in discussions I think is prevailing -
    Confusion 1:
    If one opposes an incidence of communalism, he must be supporter of congress or left.
    Confusion 2:
    If one supports some left leaning ideas then he must also be supporting all the wrongs done by left in India.
    Confusion 3:
    Because intellectuals didn't protest injustice before so they should not protest it in present/future either.
    Confusion 4:
    Because in the past, opposition didn't make communal events a political issue, no future opposition parties should do so either.

    @abhisheksingh too.......

    bhai i for one got ur point and too belive thesee confusions prevail(have been on the other side of debate too....)

    BUT

    bhai add this too
    confusion 5: all anti congress and bjp lovers.....are communal
    being hindu is anti muslim......


    PS: i am someone who has reverence for mother earth.

    brother everybody here do have a faculty of reason....nobody is a fanatic.........we debate....and reason the choices we need to make....

  • edited November 2015
    I am confused as a hindu who wants to stay secular and each day this confusion increases……Yes I am born as a hindu in India ,went to a Christian school ….celebrated diwali at home but Christmas in school with equal fervor .Visit to a cathedral or hearing bible verses never instilled any fear that my religion is at stake …because as a hindu I am supposed to be secular and accept all religions.
    In india its fashionable to be a secular hindu….

    !! only if you could differentiate between hinduism & hindutva

    But I really wonder aloud today, what would have been the reaction in media and our so called intellectuals if a school run by a hindu trust or organization had opened a school amongst Christianity dominated area and had sung verses from Gita or Mahabharata!!! All hell would have broken loose for sure .

    such schools do exist in UK, US please find out before believing any of it....

    14 years of education in a Christian run school did not make me a Christian ..i am still a hindu but I have one more reason in my life to be happy when its Christmas …
    As a hindu if I can handle 33 crores of gods and deity ,I can definitely handle few more gods and still be a hindu…I don’t fear ..I am a hindu …I imbibe ..i don’t run away ….but what am I supposed to do when I see my muslim and Christian friends refusing Prasad /or rejecting getting a tilak done on their forehead…how many of muslims and Christians have visited ..vaishno devi or tirupati…

    Name me 33 gods and deity. You are handling 33 crore gods!! some religious person you must be!
    Generalising that every christian and muslim is a hardliner is blindness to fact and could come only from blind belief in some vested hindutva group.

    Now …just ask how many hindus have visited Ajmer Sharif or Deva shareef or Swarna mandir or cathedral .Is so called secularism has to be only a Hindu’s responsibility !
    If India has to be secular then state should not interfere with religion …but then why should my tax money has to go for Haj subsidy ..Is that not a special favour to one religion .This is my question …but as a hindu am still confused….if just one haj subsidy allows my muslim brothers and sister to be happy then am happy to still let them do it .I would love to hear stories of their trip ….am happy to say “Eid Mubarak”…I don’t fear because I am Hindu .
    Why my so called intellectuals never blamed successive governments for allowing such communalism …why they never returned their awards ….


    don't get swayed by selective fact manipulation. In Indian concept of secularism state does not have to distance itself from religion, it can give equal treatments to all. Equal treatment does not mean that even hindus will be sent on haj pilgrimage with muslims, it can do similar arrangements like Amarnath yatra for them!
    Don't we start feeling so proud for being hindu when told by fringe elements of our greatness? We do not allow even dalit hindus to enter temple and we expect muslims and christians should go there!
    they do celebrate holi, diwali. (see selective fact manipulation!)


    Why St.Stefens in Delhi is allowed to give preference only to Christian candidates while hiring ……They exist on a piece of land which belongs to INDIA and not to Hindus,Christians or Muslims …then preference to anybody on the basis of religion is communalism and not secularism.
    Why authors and scientists and people like Dibakar bannerjee never protested against St Stefens ?
    Currently am residing in a country which claims with pride that we are a Christian nation and the world media doesn’t target it at all .Britain easily refuses permission to create a mosque higher than St.Pauls cathedral…A mosque which will be built by their own citizens living and working in this country ,,,but BBC doesn’t run a documentary on the plight of muslims being tortured and not given equal rights in Britain !! They don’t get a lecture from Obama to embrace secularism as yet !!
    However ,in India I still don’t support demolishing a mosque which was built by an Invader !!A nation with 80% of its populations as Hindus has taken more than 60 years to built a temple for their deity.As a Hindu I would still support a temple and a mosque together there …..rather than just a temple …I don’t boast my religion …..and I Don’t believe that I am the best…I believe that all are equal for I am a Hindu.

    While claiming this you have a false assumption that India is a Hindu nation or for more clarity a nation with Hindutva ideology.

    If my son has to marry a Christian girl tomorrow ..I will not ask the girl to convert…I have no such concept ..but my son will have to convert to christianity just to marry the girl of her dreams ….is that not communalism which is openly being practiced by minorities in India ….!! If inter-cast marriages are supported then why not inter-religion ……let there be true secularism in India …..and not this blurred version of secularism,created by pseudo –intellectuals !!

    again a false assumption

    I have no award to be given back …no talent to make a documentary or debate the issue on a TV channel.But my belief that God is one and all religions should be respected gets shaken everyday in my Mind….As a Hindu …am I being taught to stay oppressed in India ? Is that secularism??

    have you considered if you are being taught to believe that you are being oppressed, by some vested interest groups whose only interest is to use you as tool to gain power?

    I am a woman ,a hindu woman ,who wants to teach her son to respect all religions …and want to tell him that if you light a candle in a church, bow your head in a Mosque , do seva in a Gurudwara…. You will not cease to be hindu …….for you are a Hindu and always will be a hindu .You will never learn to fear.
    Yes I am…… confused …..but I still don’t fear for I am a Hindu .I will not eat Beef but will not support a ban on it !! but please don’t mock my religious feeling by doing a Beef –Party just to mock me !! atleast that much I can expect .
    If you want to return your award then return it and say that you ‘ll accept it back only when beef –ban is removed ,haj subsidy is stopped ,polygamy among muslims to be declared illegal,no special reservations for any minority in their institutions ....,triple Talaq to be stopped and not compulsion of change of religion in inter –religion marriages !!

    Res is all rhetoric. Finally it is you, who has to find what hinduism and secularism is without believing what someone else has to say about it.
  • I don't think saying 'this is wrong' and 'this is right' is going to be of any help in this situation. So I will list, few of the confusions in discussions I think is prevailing -
    Confusion 1:
    If one opposes an incidence of communalism, he must be supporter of congress or left.
    Confusion 2:
    If one supports some left leaning ideas then he must also be supporting all the wrongs done by left in India.
    Confusion 3:
    Because intellectuals didn't protest injustice before so they should not protest it in present/future either.
    Confusion 4:
    Because in the past, opposition didn't make communal events a political issue, no future opposition parties should do so either.
    Conclusion 1.
    If that had been true..then every other person shd have supported dadri or shiv sena for their act..

    Conclusion 2.
    What you are saying you need to read... when you support leftist ideology that means you are standing with left on the debate...
    Moreover left has done more wrong than any good... WB and kerala secularism is the shining example ...

    Conclusion 3.
    This point certainly raises questions why now but not in past 65 yrs... was the enlightenment attained by everyone just now...
    Protest is not the problem but their propaganda certainly is.. their leftist ideology can't let them see a rightists sitting on the top..nor the person is elitist of their class...

    Conclusion 4.
    Is communalism the way forward... is communalism allowed to be part of politics... what will happen if politics being played in communal colors... answer is simple... we will see a new Pakistan carved out for sure... we have witnessed it once and it won't be impossible doing it again....
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