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Uhh.. I don't care about any theory. I just want good marks :-t
And don't we all ..
Ahem....I had a very romantic idea about Civil Services Interview. I thought it is finally a stage where one gets to showcase his inner self, where you have an intelligent conversation with highly accomplished people, after having cleared the gruesome Mains exam. Boy was I wrong! It is just another stage where one must strive to score higher marks, by hook or by crook. Fake everything, change your answers to reflect something which you don't even believe in really(transparency, grievance redressal, blah that and blah that, you know the kind of buzzwords we have to necessarily use in mains answers?), do whatever it takes. I'd laugh at my friends(who also appeared for interview) suggestion that I should 'prepare' answers to questions which might definitely be asked. This along with the fact that panel members seemed so disinterested(given that I was the last candidate to go in that day, but come on, I had also waited 5 hours on those god awful chairs!), has made me realise my naivety. This is just means to an end while I mistakenly took it as the end itself. The moment I came out of the room it was clear to me that it was never going to be a conversation, it was always meant to be a question-answer session by half-interested people. Not only that, I realised the exam must be taken in a completely objective manner, right from the start to the end. My goal is not necessarily to have intellectually stimulating conversations(although I wouldn't mind those), but to get a decent enough rank so that I can do some good to the society. Plain and simple.
P.s. : sorry for then rant above , , But I still believe that the best people should get selected! Best of luck to all.
Uhh.. I don't care about any theory. I just want good marks :-t
And don't we all ..
Ahem....I had a very romantic idea about Civil Services Interview. I thought it is finally a stage where one gets to showcase his inner self, where you have an intelligent conversation with highly accomplished people, after having cleared the gruesome Mains exam. Boy was I wrong! It is just another stage where one must strive to score higher marks, by hook or by crook. Fake everything, change your answers to reflect something which you don't even believe in really(transparency, grievance redressal, blah that and blah that, you know the kind of buzzwords we have to necessarily use in mains answers?), do whatever it takes. I'd laugh at my friends(who also appeared for interview) suggestion that I should 'prepare' answers to questions which might definitely be asked. This along with the fact that panel members seemed so disinterested(given that I was the last candidate to go in that day, but come on, I had also waited 5 hours on those god awful chairs!), has made me realise my naivety. This is just means to an end while I mistakenly took it as the end itself. The moment I came out of the room it was clear to me that it was never going to be a conversation, it was always meant to be a question-answer session by half-interested people. Not only that, I realised the exam must be taken in a completely objective manner, right from the start to the end. My goal is not necessarily to have intellectually stimulating conversations(although I wouldn't mind those), but to get a decent enough rank so that I can do some good to the society. Plain and simple.
P.s. : sorry for then rant above , , But I still believe that the best people should get selected! Best of luck to all.
+1 Dude, this hardly sounds like a rant to me but what you have stated is the reality. Even I felt exactly the same way like u with my own interview experience. I had got Vinay Mittal's board and that guy was $#it bored to even sit and conduct the interview.. I guess he wasn't expecting this kinda job profile for himself when he was called by the DoPT to ask him if he was ready to take up a job as a UPSC member.. He might have thought that being a upsc member will be the perfect final honeymoon period of his long career in the civil services.. But alas! Here he is supposed to conduct interviews to hapless aspirants throughout the year day in and day out and he, I guess appeared to be not so happy with this turn of events!! Of course, there are people like David and Kilemsungla who true to their jobs, try to get more involved in the interview process and show a genuine concern to truly asses the personality of the candidates in front of them, but there is a serious problem with our career bureaucrats like Vinay, AP or Manbir or even Chattar !
All my friends were constantly asking me to "prepare in advance" for a few "standard upsc questions" like why u want to join the civil services? etc and I always thought that if u give a well prepared answer before the interview that might appear too plastic and fake so better not to prepare answers well in advance but take the questions on its face value at that very moment and answer them as best as I can sitting in the interview room.. I guess this doesn't work as this interview is no more as u rightly say a stage where one gets to showcase his inner self, where you have an intelligent conversation with highly accomplished people!! The basic idea is to showcase to the board what they want to hear rather than what we really are and get maximum marks. Nice and simple!
@rookie@RDR Interview has always been a subjective process. That is why I have said in the stress interview discussions also that the final marks are very subjective and according to the board.
As for the chairperson, I do agree that David sir is very suitable for the job. He was very attentive and as a matter of fact, he was watching me only. He didnt watch the member also when they were asking the questions. I tried to throw a glance now and then, and he was just watching me always. Felt very happy when I came out of the room. Also, the members were such kind of people such that I had "some" intelligent conversation, if not all the time.
Guys..i have an alternative perspective to offer for u guys to ponder over...and its from my own experience of conducting hearings daily...
See guys, when i sit on the other side of the table, i not only judge the merit of the file but also the body language of the person who is representing the case to me. So,how do i do that? There are two ways that i hv found very effective!
1. Make him stressfull by asking him a series of tough questions. Keeping a dead eye view on him and keeping a reactionless face! When this happens the guy forgets his prep and gives out his true mind.
2. Make the person very comfortable. If i talk very casually to a person, demasking the officiandos associated with my chair and praising/buttering him, the other person becomes frank and opens up completely! Without him knowing!
Trust me..this is no rocket science...its only in the extreme situations like stress/no stress that a person's true thoughts pour out !
U do it 10 times a day , all across the year, u really dont need 30 min chat to judge a person! From the interviewer's perspective those 30 mins are for you ,not for him!!!!
Guys..i have an alternative perspective to offer for u guys to ponder over...and its from my own experience of conducting hearings daily...
See guys, when i sit on the other side of the table, i not only judge the merit of the file but also the body language of the person who is representing the case to me. So,how do i do that? There are two ways that i hv found very effective!
1. Make him stressfull by asking him a series of tough questions. Keeping a dead eye view on him and keeping a reactionless face! When this happens the guy forgets his prep and gives out his true mind.
2. Make the person very comfortable. If i talk very casually to a person, demasking the officiandos associated with my chair and praising/buttering him, the other person becomes frank and opens up completely! Without him knowing!
Trust me..this is no rocket science...its only in the extreme situations like stress/no stress that a person's true thoughts pour out !
U do it 10 times a day , all across the year, u really dont need 30 min chat to judge a person! From the interviewer's perspective those 30 mins are for you ,not for him!!!!
Just a midnight rant
3:-O (:|
very well put....absolute agreement on this. infact once i was watching a discussion on lok sabha tv about upsc preparation and coaching in which purshuttom agarwal, then member of upsc, claimed that they can judge a candidate in a matter of 5 minutes. And i think they can most of the times. Being seasoned campaigners they mostly do it well. It is us aspirants who rather than coming to terms with our weaknesses in personality, put the blame on their judgement skills.
Guys..i have an alternative perspective to offer for u guys to ponder over...and its from my own experience of conducting hearings daily...
See guys, when i sit on the other side of the table, i not only judge the merit of the file but also the body language of the person who is representing the case to me. So,how do i do that? There are two ways that i hv found very effective!
1. Make him stressfull by asking him a series of tough questions. Keeping a dead eye view on him and keeping a reactionless face! When this happens the guy forgets his prep and gives out his true mind.
2. Make the person very comfortable. If i talk very casually to a person, demasking the officiandos associated with my chair and praising/buttering him, the other person becomes frank and opens up completely! Without him knowing!
Trust me..this is no rocket science...its only in the extreme situations like stress/no stress that a person's true thoughts pour out !
U do it 10 times a day , all across the year, u really dont need 30 min chat to judge a person! From the interviewer's perspective those 30 mins are for you ,not for him!!!!
Just a midnight rant
3:-O (:|
very well put....absolute agreement on this. infact once i was watching a discussion on lok sabha tv about upsc preparation and coaching in which purshuttom agarwal, then member of upsc, claimed that they can judge a candidate in a matter of 5 minutes. And i think they can most of the times. Being seasoned campaigners they mostly do it well. It is us aspirants who rather than coming to terms with our weaknesses in personality, put the blame on their judgement skills.
Dear i would be the last to claim that the interviewing process across panels is foolproof and has no subjectivity. Howevr the point that i want all of us to consider is that we can by a lot of ways decide and shape what we say, will be asked , how we respond and what essential points we want to convey etc etc during thise 30 min rendezvous... As i said those 30 mins are for us and not for the interviewer..and some where Mr. Agrawal is right! >-
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P.s. : sorry for then rant above ,
Did you expect to get selected? What happened?
Ok, I asked two questions
Dude, this hardly sounds like a rant to me but what you have stated is the reality. Even I felt exactly the same way like u with my own interview experience. I had got Vinay Mittal's board and that guy was $#it bored to even sit and conduct the interview.. I guess he wasn't expecting this kinda job profile for himself when he was called by the DoPT to ask him if he was ready to take up a job as a UPSC member.. He might have thought that being a upsc member will be the perfect final honeymoon period of his long career in the civil services.. But alas! Here he is supposed to conduct interviews to hapless aspirants throughout the year day in and day out and he, I guess appeared to be not so happy with this turn of events!! Of course, there are people like David and Kilemsungla who true to their jobs, try to get more involved in the interview process and show a genuine concern to truly asses the personality of the candidates in front of them, but there is a serious problem with our career bureaucrats like Vinay, AP or Manbir or even Chattar !
All my friends were constantly asking me to "prepare in advance" for a few "standard upsc questions" like why u want to join the civil services? etc and I always thought that if u give a well prepared answer before the interview that might appear too plastic and fake so better not to prepare answers well in advance but take the questions on its face value at that very moment and answer them as best as I can sitting in the interview room.. I guess this doesn't work as this interview is no more as u rightly say a stage where one gets to showcase his inner self, where you have an intelligent conversation with highly accomplished people!! The basic idea is to showcase to the board what they want to hear rather than what we really are and get maximum marks. Nice and simple!
As for the chairperson, I do agree that David sir is very suitable for the job. He was very attentive and as a matter of fact, he was watching me only. He didnt watch the member also when they were asking the questions. I tried to throw a glance now and then, and he was just watching me always. Felt very happy when I came out of the room. Also, the members were such kind of people such that I had "some" intelligent conversation, if not all the time.
Guys..i have an alternative perspective to offer for u guys to ponder over...and its from my own experience of conducting hearings daily...
See guys, when i sit on the other side of the table, i not only judge the merit of the file but also the body language of the person who is representing the case to me. So,how do i do that? There are two ways that i hv found very effective!
1. Make him stressfull by asking him a series of tough questions. Keeping a dead eye view on him and keeping a reactionless face! When this happens the guy forgets his prep and gives out his true mind.
2. Make the person very comfortable. If i talk very casually to a person, demasking the officiandos associated with my chair and praising/buttering him, the other person becomes frank and opens up completely! Without him knowing!
Trust me..this is no rocket science...its only in the extreme situations like stress/no stress that a person's true thoughts pour out !
U do it 10 times a day , all across the year, u really dont need 30 min chat to judge a person! From the interviewer's perspective those 30 mins are for you ,not for him!!!!
Just a midnight rant
3:-O (:|
Could you guys use the sample survey to extrapolate the sample for 3000 candidates within reasonable error.
Thnks.
Thnks
Dear i would be the last to claim that the interviewing process across panels is foolproof and has no subjectivity. Howevr the point that i want all of us to consider is that we can by a lot of ways decide and shape what we say, will be asked , how we respond and what essential points we want to convey etc etc during thise 30 min rendezvous... As i said those 30 mins are for us and not for the interviewer..and some where Mr. Agrawal is right!