[Debate] Nigvekar Committee Report on CSE - Radical or Reformist?

Vibin

#:-S Saved from age limit ..

The problem with CSAT , according to Nigavekar , is that its oblique towards urban people . See how foolishness he tried to implement age limit . There are plenty of reserved category students [SC/ST] who attempt this exam after the age of 25 or 27 . Because of their pressing assignment in their life to take care of . They wont be completing degree at the age of 21 too .

Professionals too would be literally thrown out from this field . Candidates who need to take care of their family would choose a career earlier , after making decent contribution to their family would probably choose to write Civil Service Exam .. So it would've been a great lose for the nation in getting their contribution , who had seen life better than college teens .

The maturity level compared with 25 , who are still in academic fray , are way different from a person with age 30 . Latter wont be much intelligent than former , but their altruistic level surely compensate for it .. So everything would've been missed by our country .

Hope this report bite the dust or given to his grandchildren to make paper rockets or boats . :-q

AK_CS

Through these recommendations this exam is going to become more competitive,

Imagine that IAS and IPS and IRS are selected in one exam and assume that they are going to have about 600 seats here and 600 Seats in the other Exam...............e age limit....we need to definitely reduce the attempts though. Make it three or two attempts with a more robust evaluation system.

I dont know how you made your conclusions

1)separate exams for IAS/IPS/IRS and others will make exam more competitive, only 1400 interiviewees and so on.
Separate exam is construed only at mains level. Firstly , many of IIM/IITians dont want to go to other services. They have ample better opportunities beyond it. This croud lessen competitions.
Slight change in syllabus to check separate aptitude for these exams will dissuade many to go for both the exams in mains.
Moreover why would they select only 1400. Dont you think to cater to the overlapping junta (both exam), they will call people somewhat like (600+600)x2.5

2)Interview by 10 boards. Do you think that people running UPSC or Nigvekar are some quacks?.
If this recco by 'all' boards is accepted, they are foolish enough to continue present 10 boards of 5 members each and they will not introduce intensive 2-3 boards comprising many(say 10-12) members from different fileds and having separate stages for evaluation.

3) Releasing standard book-syllabus wont help.: this is most hilarious part. Do you even realize how truckloads of material gets dumped into poor candidates reading room. So much contradiction about standard books. Coaching, toppers everyone blowing their trumpets.
Not everyone gets decent guidance (coaching, seniors) in the country and releasing of books-list will greatly help especialy in optinals and reduce much of unnecessary psychological pressure.
People don't even know difference betwen macroeconomics and microeconomics before starting prep. Syllabus looks as a tail of dynasaur to starters as to where to start.

PS: Plz do your own home-work and analysis before unloading cart of bullshit like they dont even know covariance/elimination of bias etc. upon academics like Nigvekar. Yes, process is random and much bullshit happens in this exam but it is not such degenerated either.

Vivekanand

@all : The report is debated from the point of view of aspirants. Debate it also from the country's point of view. What he has recommended in the report, be it age limit or extending prelims qualification are in the best interest of the country or improving the civil services exam per se. Believe me when the British fixed the age limit at 21 for Indians, INDIA still produced brilliant civil servants.

Jamey_Lannister

Exactly, we may find reducing age limit as a crime, but almost all committees has suggested it, even ARC2 if I am not wrong :-S
Whenever we such recommendations, our first reaction is "WIFM" What's In it For Me? HOwever, age limit isn't going down for at least 6 years now, so chillax.
@amirkhusro Now also there is an influx of students who did not clear interview/mains last time, so your analysis doesn't make sense. Don't worry a report doesn't mean UPSC has to even partially accept it. So Amir, khush raho

amirkhusro

Through these recommendations this exam is going to become more competitive,

Imagine that IAS and IPS and IRS are selected in one exam and assume that they are going to have about 600 seats here and 600 Seats in the other Exam...............e age limit....we need to definitely reduce the attempts though. Make it three or two attempts with a more robust evaluation system.

I dont know how you made your conclusions

1)separate exams for IAS/IPS/IRS and others will make exam more competitive, only 1400 interiviewees and so on.
Separate exam is construed only at mains level. Firstly , many of IIM/IITians dont want to go to other services. They have ample better opportunities beyond it. This croud lessen competitions.
Slight change in syllabus to check separate aptitude for these exams will dissuade many to go for both the exams in mains.
Moreover why would they select only 1400. Dont you think to cater to the overlapping junta (both exam), they will call people somewhat like (600+600)x2.5

I just assumed they will keep the ratio intact i.e. 2.5:1 for interview and 10:1 for mains so 1400 for mains for 600 seats(that matter) is pretty straight forward. Besides 7000 fo mains of the same exam is also the assuming 10:1 ratio. Excuse me, but did you just realize that I was talking about the first exam and the fact that people can write mains twice if they clear prelims once. I hope you think through before writing......and spend some time trying to understand, not everything people write is a Bieber song.

2)Interview by 10 boards. Do you think that people running UPSC or Nigvekar are some quacks?.
If this recco by 'all' boards is accepted, they are foolish enough to continue present 10 boards of 5 members each and they will not introduce intensive 2-3 boards comprising many(say 10-12) members from different fileds and having separate stages for evaluation.

Here again, its funny....that you speak this. I can't defend my stand because I will have to start explaining to you optimization and statistics and I'm not good at either. But I hope you let your typing become slower than your thinking.


3) Releasing standard book-syllabus wont help.: this is most hilarious part. Do you even realize how truckloads of material gets dumped into poor candidates reading room. So much contradiction about standard books. Coaching, toppers everyone blowing their trumpets.
Not everyone gets decent guidance (coaching, seniors) in the country and releasing of books-list will greatly help especialy in optinals and reduce much of unnecessary psychological pressure.
People don't even know difference betwen macroeconomics and microeconomics before starting prep. Syllabus looks as a tail of dynasaur to starters as to where to start.

This is a case of perspective. I must say everyone is entitled to their view and nothing can be done to question it. My only question was how can we have books given out for current affairs. But if you think this is going to help find leaders, problem solvers, time managers (as the academic expert Nigvekar seems to dream of) then I think that UPSC should not be doing the candidates favors. I'm hoping here that you read the executive summary.

PS: Plz do your own home-work and analysis before unloading cart of bullshit like they dont even know covariance/elimination of bias etc. upon academics like Nigvekar. Yes, process is random and much bullshit happens in this exam but it is not such degenerated either.

Who said the current system is extremely degenerate. All I was saying was that his recommendations
if applied will make it a very tedious and complicated exam. I'm in agreement about the first statement that people should do their home work!!!!!! but I want to add that people should have tolerance and patience. Anyways cheers!!!

Frankly like Mrunal said the whole part of releasing this first controversial part of the report was for us to fight. Lets hope the case studies and ethics will be more useful.

amirkhusro

Exactly, we may find reducing age limit as a crime, but almost all committees has suggested it, even ARC2 if I am not wrong :-S
Whenever we such recommendations, our first reaction is "WIFM" What's In it For Me? HOwever, age limit isn't going down for at least 6 years now, so chillax.
@amirkhusro Now also there is an influx of students who did not clear interview/mains last time, so your analysis doesn't make sense. Don't worry a report doesn't mean UPSC has to even partially accept it. So Amir, khush raho

Ab Khush kaise rahoon, I've become Amir Khush kahan bas ro ro . I wasn't questioning that there is a natural carryover of candidates. But I think artificial carryover is going to make prelims 3 times more competitive thats all, for the people who are writing it.

AK_CS

@AmirKhusro
1)You just assumed and passed your judgement. I think this is clearly contradicting statistical acumen
2)I know Statistics and Optimization. That was an easy grade in college. There is no need of you teaching these since no need arises of them in lieu of recomendations either. One doesn't need a sword to cut apples.
3)you say opinion

I never took it as a fight and i just pointed out glaring and blatant misjudgements which i think no-one else took efforts to point. Hope you relax and read them again. Any way lets chill

amirkhusro

on a lighter note, our signatures are slightly off each other too Good luck for the Mains result and lets move to the more interesting speculation thread.

AK_CS

on a lighter note, our signatures are slightly off each other too Good luck for the Mains result and lets move to the more interesting speculation thread.

ya! but names are more brotherly :P
AmirKhusro_CS

Indeed that thread woud be a place to chillax.
All the Best to you too

Vibin

@all : The report is debated from the point of view of aspirants. Debate it also from the country's point of view. What he has recommended in the report, be it age limit or extending prelims qualification are in the best interest of the country or improving the civil services exam per se. Believe me when the British fixed the age limit at 21 for Indians, INDIA still produced brilliant civil servants.

Mention one person whom you are aware of from backward communities , while at British time. >:/

Dont ever , ever , ever compare pre-British era with Post-British ..