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[CS Mains] New Moderation Formula and its Implications

edited October 2015 in Official Exam Process
Now we can say beyond doubt that in this forum users like @Pooja_11 and others are have real contacts inside UPSC. So this user Pooja had given some info on the new moderation formula which UPSC has started to follow from this year. I am pasting what she told about that here. Let us analyze the implications of this new formula in the optional selection, performance. If anyone knows the moderation formula followed before this one please comment on that also.

"I again talked tob> my insider..he told the moderation formula this year has been devised in such a way that the number of candidates invited for interview from each subject will be approximately in proportion to the number of students in each subject in mains.this has been devised after very much thinking given to it..this is to eliminate any type of bias of which allegation are there agains them.they are hoping that it will provide more levrl playing field...it is explained as follows
1.suppose there are 15000 students appearing in mains..And total candidates invited for interview are 3000..
2.suppose sociology has 3000 students in mains..it is 20% of total mains candidates that is 15000 ..now they will try to do moderation in such a way that approximately 20% students who are invited for intrview are from sociology..so approximately 600(20% of 3000) students are invited from socio..
3.suppose maths has 450 students appearing in mains.it is 3% of all the students appearing in mains (15000)..so they will do moderation in such a way that approximately 3% of all the students who are invited for interview are from maths..so they will invite almost 90 (3% of 3000) students in maths..
4.this also applies to other subjects..

Again this is not the exact formula..whatever i could understood from the talk on mobile, i have reproduced..


After reading this formula i have the opinion that it is better to scrap this optional shit altogether! See, literally UPSC is eliminating a candidate choosing one optional even though his answers are far more superior than an average guy who is taking some other optional. Yeah competitive exams are all about relative performance but checking relative with in relative is bullshitting and nothing else.

IMO, Moderation formula will also include factors like adding more regional language students, literature students some other bullshits. Taking all those shits, if we compare the raw marks gotten and moderated marks it would be a disaster for many candidates and it would turn heavenly surprise for some others.
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  • I don't know about other optionals but this new moderation formula badly affected maths guys.
  • edited May 2015
    Now we can say beyond doubt that in this forum users like @Pooja_11 and others are have real contacts inside UPSC. So this user Pooja had given some info on the new moderation formula which UPSC has started to follow from this year. I am pasting what she told about that here. Let us analyze the implications of this new formula in the optional selection, performance. If anyone knows the moderation formula followed before this one please comment on that also.

    "I again talked tob> my insider..he told the moderation formula this year has been devised in such a way that the number of candidates invited for interview from each subject will be approximately in proportion to the number of students in each subject in mains.this has been devised after very much thinking given to it..this is to eliminate any type of bias of which allegation are there agains them.they are hoping that it will provide more levrl playing field...it is explained as follows
    1.suppose there are 15000 students appearing in mains..And total candidates invited for interview are 3000..
    2.suppose sociology has 3000 students in mains..it is 20% of total mains candidates that is 15000 ..now they will try to do moderation in such a way that approximately 20% students who are invited for intrview are from sociology..so approximately 600(20% of 3000) students are invited from socio..
    3.suppose maths has 450 students appearing in mains.it is 3% of all the students appearing in mains (15000)..so they will do moderation in such a way that approximately 3% of all the students who are invited for interview are from maths..so they will invite almost 90 (3% of 3000) students in maths..
    4.this also applies to other subjects..

    Again this is not the exact formula..whatever i could understood from the talk on mobile, i have reproduced..


    After reading this formula i have the opinion that it is better to scrap this optional shit altogether! See, literally UPSC is eliminating a candidate choosing one optional even though his answers are far more superior than an average guy who is taking some other optional. Yeah competitive exams are all about relative performance but checking relative with in relative is bullshitting and nothing else.

    IMO, Moderation formula will also include factors like adding more regional language students, literature students some other bullshits. Taking all those shits, if we compare the raw marks gotten and moderated marks it would be a disaster for many candidates and it would turn heavenly surprise for some others.
    If that is true then it seems to be biased in favour of popular optionals like PubAd and Sociology. It seems to assume all candidates as being equally capable to begin with, something patently false.

    Still with no transparency and questionable reliability, is it wise to take such an important decision based on hearsay?
  • While this looks logical and seems to promote merit, it really does work for popular optionals like Pub Ad, Sociology, and against optionals with less number of students.

    Anyone has any data ( Mrunal? ) on optional wise number of candidates appearing for Mains 2013 and final list 2013?

    Indeed, removing optional was a more logical step rather than removing CSAT , ( do not attack me, everyone in entitled to his opinion ). Can someone here get this message to the powers that be? ( ABVP members? )
  • The moderation concept goes against popular perception of butchering
  • i have also one formula...select guys only from sanskrit optional...during disasters they can do hawans,before starting any project they can do bhumi pujan, and to prevent farmers suicides they can do maha mrityunjay jaap.in fact pm wont need to trvael so much abroad...they may organise ashwamegh yajnas and leave the ashwamegha ghoda to run over the world as a sign of our foreign overreach.in upliftment of ganga ghats they can also do evening ganga aarti in varanasi.
  • edited May 2015
    While this looks logical and seems to promote merit, it really does work for popular optionals like Pub Ad, Sociology, and against optionals with less number of students.

    Anyone has any data ( Mrunal? ) on optional wise number of candidates appearing for Mains 2013 and final list 2013?

    Indeed, removing optional was a more logical step rather than removing CSAT , ( do not attack me, everyone in entitled to his opinion ). Can someone here get this message to the powers that be? ( ABVP members? )
    The 2013 data flies in the face of moderation theory being propounded. The excel was shared widely on this forum itself. For candidates appeared in mains from each optional, refer to the latest Annual Report of UPSC.

    I will give some data from the file.
    Economics had 38 final selections (~3% of total~1240) while those appeared for Eco mains were 183 (~1.2%), implying a 20% conversion from mains to final result. 2012 nos. were quite similar with 50 final selections and 250 appearing for mains.
    The same thing played out with Law (2013: 34/140, 25% success rate); Law and Eco being two most successful conversions from Mains to final selection.

    The overall selection was higher (at 177) for Geography and 176 for pub ad. but candidates appeared for these two were at 3115 and 2802 respectively.

    PS: While I agree that weird things have been done by UPSC earlier as well but the new moderation theory as being propounded is not statistically sound. Having the same average marks for optionals is a better improvement though not perfect. Having the same average for optionals taking only middle 90% (i.e. removing top and bottom 5% outliers) might be a further improvement.
  • from the aboove logic it seems that if some guy from maths has got overall great score but does not come into required percentage of his optional will nnot make it to the merit list...while someone from pub ad/socio having overall lower marks than that maths guy will make it to the list as he may falll in the required percentage category.so far so fine.....uske baad ye kya karta hain?how do they reduce the marks of maths guy and increase the marks of socio or pub ad guy to make him look more cmpetent?after all they release mark sheets so they have to reduce the marks of maths guy...or increase the marks of other category guys.mark sheet me to optional wise category hoti nahi hai...sab ke liye same score card hota hai...same thing happenede most probably when there were optionals in prelims and there were different cut offs for different optionals.no one knew his score as that tiime marks were noot released...m sure with current scheme of things upsc is not going to show students their answer sheets in near future.
  • What if i select some optional, which hardly any student would take(ex-sindhi,etc)?will i be selected for interview even though i score very less (say, <100)compared to other subjects because of quota system?Will not then it be weird and unjust?
  • In that case conversion rate in each optional must be equal which is not
  • edited May 2015
    moderation formula takes into account the "historical averages" ....At first i thought there was new moderation formula......but now i think its not.......average takes into account the number of candidates alongwith marks......this year number of candidates taking science/engg optionals were threefold compared to previous years......this made the competition very tough.....
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