some doubts on civil services.

kummys

attention !

skip if you are in paucity of time.

and for others i may seem over expressing, please correct me if i am wrong.

friends, i am here to clear some doubts which i often keep asking myself and i found no clear solution for them.

1. do all civil services aspirants really want to serve the society more than their aspirations for personal benefits and reputation ? if so, why many of them are so busy all the while in front books while plenty of social problems are laying unattended in almost every sector ? cant we join our hands with people like voluntary NGO's to do our little for the nation ? or does it needs one to become civil servant by authority always to serve the society on large scale.?

(sorry if i seem ridiculous or doing exaggeration )i have seen many aspirants asking in forum for digital copies for authored books which are best selling in market ! cant it be a copyright violation friends ?

Do we really want to serve the society by heart and soul ?

bugsbunny

Mate atleast i know most dont want to serve da nation its a good job wid good social status which attracts many had ppl been more intrested in social service den i wuld say der r other ways where der is less interfernce frm politicians >- der r def other ways so dnt think its da nly way mate if u have will den u can do it >-

F0EHAMMER

Its a simple but good question .Let me try to answer it .

1).No .Not everyone enters this service to serve the people of the country though at the time of interview many state the same .The power and prestige associated with the job attracts most people into this job .

There are some who enter this service to help people in some way but even they cant deny that the power and prestige associated with the job motivates them equally .Joining an NGO is definitely an option but not for everybody and not everyone wants to join an NGO for the same .Many factors like job security also come into play here .I am not saying that aspirants are selfish but they are human too and humans desire power and prestige , which is totally fine unless that same power is used to do nothing for the people .
Everyone neednt become a civil servant .Its not the end of the road but let me admit there's nothing like it :-)

I myself want to do something for my country by doing my bit and what better way to do it by entering the top rungs of administration where a real change can be effected .I wont deny that the respect it commands amongst society is major factor too.
:-)

2).You are absolutely right as far as copyright violation is concerned .Thats why you see many threads asking for copies of original books are closed immidiately.FolderIAS suffered because of this very reason .

Yeah we do want to serve the society by heart and soul but the very same heart desires other things too and if they are also satisfied through this job then I don't there is anything wrong in it .It doesnt makes anyone less competent to enter this prestigiouss service or to serve this society .
:-)

Kaka

Agree with Luv above. To add, it also really depends on how you are interpreting when an aspirant says “I want to serve the society”. It definitely does not mean that one is not looking for a good career, simultaneously. Along with the desire to do something for the nation, one might want prestige, power in order to facilitate this desire. It would of course have secondary effects of personal feel good factor, societal image, etc which may not necessarily be negative, through the priority for these may differ on an individual basis (For some these might be the primary motives).

I have had a chance to talk to few in the services and they agree that power/prestige et all seem to be really eye catching in the beginning. Eventually, you get so much involved that your focus invariably/naturally becomes the work, rather than the enjoyment of status, etc. So, even if you desire to become an IAS for the sake of power/status/image associated with it, you would be serving the society for the major part of your life.

As far as copyright violation is concerned, personally, I am a believer in the principle that knowledge should be free. Though the principle might sound good, it still does not give us the license to infringe copyrights endlessly (at least not at the moment). Actually, the debate on this can continue forever, as one might argue that we read photocopies which is a copyright violation. But at the same time, steep prices of original materials of coaching institutes might not be justified. One can go either way and on an on.

Cheers

kummys

Its a simple but good question .Let me try to answer it .

1).No .Not everyone enters this service to serve the people of the country though at the time of interview many state the same .The power and prestige associated with the job attracts most people into this job .

There are some who enter this service to help people in some way but even they cant deny that the power and prestige associated with the job motivates them equally .Joining an NGO is definitely an option but not for everybody and not everyone wants to join an NGO for the same .Many factors like job security also come into play here .I am not saying that aspirants are selfish but they are human too and humans desire power and prestige , which is totally fine unless that same power is used to do nothing for the people .
Everyone neednt become a civil servant .Its not the end of the road but let me admit there's nothing like it :-)

I myself want to do something for my country by doing my bit and what better way to do it by entering the top rungs of administration where a real change can be effected .I wont deny that the respect it commands amongst society is major factor too.
:-)

2).You are absolutely right as far as copyright violation is concerned .Thats why you see many threads asking for copies of original books are closed immidiately.FolderIAS suffered because of this very reason .

Yeah we do want to serve the society by heart and soul but the very same heart desires other things too and if they are also satisfied through this job then I don't there is anything wrong in it .It doesnt makes anyone less competent to enter this prestigiouss service or to serve this society .
:-)

well said, being human we have other aspirations too. thanks for sharing your insights.

kummys

Agree with Luv above. To add, it also really depends on how you are interpreting when an aspirant says “I want to serve the society”. It definitely does not mean that one is not looking for a good career, simultaneously. Along with the desire to do something for the nation, one might want prestige, power in order to facilitate this desire. It would of course have secondary effects of personal feel good factor, societal image, etc which may not necessarily be negative, through the priority for these may differ on an individual basis (For some these might be the primary motives).

I have had a chance to talk to few in the services and they agree that power/prestige et all seem to be really eye catching in the beginning. Eventually, you get so much involved that your focus invariably/naturally becomes the work, rather than the enjoyment of status, etc. So, even if you desire to become an IAS for the sake of power/status/image associated with it, you would be serving the society for the major part of your life.

As far as copyright violation is concerned, personally, I am a believer in the principle that knowledge should be free. Though the principle might sound good, it still does not give us the license to infringe copyrights endlessly (at least not at the moment). Actually, the debate on this can continue forever, as one might argue that we read photocopies which is a copyright violation. But at the same time, steep prices of original materials of coaching institutes might not be justified. One can go either way and on an on.

Cheers

nicely explained

himanshum

@kummys ... i hope you are not looking for some pertext to give up civil services .. if your heart really wish it go for it without doubts. you can serve society no matter what is your proffesion, but authority and stable career is a big enabler ( if you have lots of money already, ability and will then i think these are bigger enabler than civil service) . and yes never try to make ngo as career, it wont work as career untill unless you have trusted connections and you are corrupt .. for honest ones ngo is good for selfless service only keeping some other stable option as career.

napoleonhill

Jab chala tha, to dil me hazaro iraade the
Khuda jaanta hai, wo sab nek the
Aaj me hu aur ye imtehaan hai
Aur kuch hosh nahi..

kummys

@kummys ... i hope you are not looking for some pertext to give up civil services .. if your heart really wish it go for it without doubts. you can serve society no matter what is your proffesion, but authority and stable career is a big enabler ( if you have lots of money already, ability and will then i think these are bigger enabler than civil service) . and yes never try to make ngo as career, it wont work as career untill unless you have trusted connections and you are corrupt .. for honest ones ngo is good for selfless service only keeping some other stable option as career.

no not finding pretext yes i had held almost same views before as u have, and now wanted to know what motivates other fellows !

kummys

Jab chala tha, to dil me hazaro iraade the
Khuda jaanta hai, wo sab nek the
Aaj me hu aur ye imtehaan hai
Aur kuch hosh nahi..

@ck10203 could you please translate it in English? I can understand general conversational hindi, but cant speak that too! these poetic jargon are still iron pulses @-)

napoleonhill

Jab chala tha, to dil me hazaro iraade the
Khuda jaanta hai, wo sab nek the
Aaj me hu aur ye imtehaan hai
Aur kuch hosh nahi..

@ck10203 could you please translate it in English? I can understand general conversational hindi, but cant speak that too! these poetic jargon are still iron pulses @-)

When I started this journey, there were thousand pledges
Gods know that they were the best of my wishes, for the best of this world,
And today,
There is me and there is this exam
And I can't think of any thing else.

But someday