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The 2015 Intolerance Debate

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  • @jobhikarwalo Hahahaaha. I know more than you can ever know in your life. It is all conjecture. You don't believe in ramayana? You believe in prohphet mohammad travelling to heaven on a windhorse? You believe angel gabriel found him in a cave and dictated koran? You are such a knob that in your pursuit to pick my error(which btw I realized I reread your comment and knew a simpleton like you would base your reply on that) you lost sight of the point I was trying to make.



    World does not revolve around what you believe in. You believe in ram and conveniently don't believe in ramayana? Basically you believe and not believe whatever suits you. That is even more terrible as you are not the scholar who determines what is historical or not. If history is that irrelevant then why are there no temples allowed in saudi arabia? In Mecca and Medina? I can say everything was a hoax. There is no religious affiliation to any of the sites. Will they allow hindus to build temples over there?
    tell me one thing sir - i am a hindu and i dont believe in ramayana and mahabharat. why should i give a f### abt any saudi religion or mosque?? u are so intelligent then bloody use your intelligence in a constructive way .
  • The problem with people here is that they have lived in air conditioned rooms n led luxurious lives. They start their day with sugar coated lines of "the hindu" . All this goodie goodie talks leads them to think that everything is hunky dory. My comments are based on my personal experiences.

    My cousin brother was pursuing MBBS from GSVM college in kanpur. He was only child of his parents. He was in relationship with a muslim girl. He was chopped into small pieces n all pieces were packed in a bag n dumped in gutter. All muslims of that area were united. Their MLA irfan solanki stood like a rock behind them. Nobody came to help us. All the 6 accused boys are married. Having good time. Case lingers on and Justice eludes us. Nobody has come forward to help us. I am an eye witness to all this.

    In 2003 , My history teacher ( a muslim) had a slip of tongue in class. World cup was about to start. HE just blurted out ' Shahid afridi made 100 runs in 36 balls. Inshallah it happens again'. I had passed my 8th class then. Just imagine the change it caused in my psyche.

    It was in april 2005 . I had just given my 10th class exams then. There was a match between india n pakistan in kanpur. Pakistan won that match. After returning from green park stadium, our car was passing through muslim areas. Crackers were bursting in those places. They were shouting like mad people . ' ALLAH u AKBAR! Agla world cup pakistan jeetega. Inshallah'

    There are numerous other examples. I have first hand experience of these people. I can never forget those incidents n shall never forgive them.
  • The problem with people here is that they have lived in air conditioned rooms n led luxurious lives. They start their day with sugar coated lines of "the hindu" . All this goodie goodie talks leads them to think that everything is hunky dory. My comments are based on my personal experiences.

    My cousin brother was pursuing MBBS from GSVM college in kanpur. He was only child of his parents. He was in relationship with a muslim girl. He was chopped into small pieces n all pieces were packed in a bag n dumped in gutter. All muslims of that area were united. Their MLA irfan solanki stood like a rock behind them. Nobody came to help us. All the 6 accused boys are married. Having good time. Case lingers on and Justice eludes us. Nobody has come forward to help us. I am an eye witness to all this.

    In 2003 , My history teacher ( a muslim) had a slip of tongue in class. World cup was about to start. HE just blurted out ' Shahid afridi made 100 runs in 36 balls. Inshallah it happens again'. I had passed my 8th class then. Just imagine the change it caused in my psyche.

    It was in april 2005 . I had just given my 10th class exams then. There was a match between india n pakistan in kanpur. Pakistan won that match. After returning from green park stadium, our car was passing through muslim areas. Crackers were bursting in those places. They were shouting like mad people . ' ALLAH u AKBAR! Agla world cup pakistan jeetega. Inshallah'

    There are numerous other examples. I have first hand experience of these people. I can never forget those incidents n shall never forgive them.
    personal experiences sir??? i lived in lucknow and bhopal in middle of the muslim populated area. in each and every india pak match , they cheered for pakistan. so?? what ac and the hindu r u talking abt? u r not alone in this india who is intelligent enough to understand all this?? just because of all this u cant just go all out against any religion. anywaz no point in arguing with u.
  • @Chalu_aunty

    Bhai agar modi ji ko kuch bhi kar diya na ISIS ne toh kasam bajrang bali ji ki is desh ki 17 crore abaadi kam ho jaegi. Khoon ki holi khelenge. Aar ya paar ki ladai hogi. Bahut saal ho gaya saala yeh hindu , muslim. We need a decisive end.
    No wonder why country had to witness 1984 riots! Have you ever pondered over one simple thing that actions based on your thought process will unleash a vicious circle of never ending violence ? It is highly improbable that such terrorist organizations would be able to cause any harm to Mr. PM, we are not living in 80s. In fact you are helping them to realize their motive of attracting more number of Muslim youth, who feel alienated in their own country. Logically, In a huge country like India, if 50 out of 17 crore loose their track and join such organization, you can certainly not accuse whole community for that.


    please gali wali mat dena. Mujhe sirf ek do aati hain, that too I use when I am not able to contain my anger, unfortunately, usko bhi log hansi main uda dete hain - may be they are too mild for them - like Donkey, dog, rhino etc. :(

    I have only abused ill practices of some dirty creatures. I have got personal abuses. Never abused anyone personally so don't worry.

    We need nationalists like kalam ji. I have immense respect for him. He was poor , used to sell fish,newspaper at rameshwaram. He never resorted to terrorism. Owaisi says that he was not a muslim because he was a vegetarian. Is this london graduated lawyer insane? If any muslim feels alienated then he can go to pakistan. His brothers are waiting for them. 18 terror camps are running in POK. Join them n u shall be in a state of bliss. Shahadat milegi, Jannat jaoge.
  • @jobhikarwalo Because you are basing your sense of judgement on others. You don't believe in ramayana. That is fine by me. I am worse, I am an agnostic. You are free to believe what you want AS LONG AS you do not let that judgement affect what others believe as right or wrong. Problem comes when you base it as an argument for the ayodya case. You can't say I dont believe this happened so that is wrong. Hope you get my point :)
  • @jobhikarwalo Because you are basing your sense of judgement on others. You don't believe in ramayana. That is fine by me. I am worse, I am an agnostic. You are free to believe what you want AS LONG AS you do not let that judgement affect what others believe as right or wrong. Problem comes when you base it as an argument for the ayodya case. You can't say I dont believe this happened so that is wrong. Hope you get my point :)
    i never said it is wrong. i said i dont believe. i have my view point. i think someone planted all these stories in late 1800s. and regarding mosque and all - no comments. because i have never read quran and not even interested. all are humans. even if 99% muslims are wrong , u have no right to abuse the remaining 1%. this was my arguement. and i dont have intelligence like u to counter with facts.
  • The problem with people here is that they have lived in air conditioned rooms n led luxurious lives. They start their day with sugar coated lines of "the hindu" . All this goodie goodie talks leads them to think that everything is hunky dory. My comments are based on my personal experiences.

    My cousin brother was pursuing MBBS from GSVM college in kanpur. He was only child of his parents. He was in relationship with a muslim girl. He was chopped into small pieces n all pieces were packed in a bag n dumped in gutter. All muslims of that area were united. Their MLA irfan solanki stood like a rock behind them. Nobody came to help us. All the 6 accused boys are married. Having good time. Case lingers on and Justice eludes us. Nobody has come forward to help us. I am an eye witness to all this.

    In 2003 , My history teacher ( a muslim) had a slip of tongue in class. World cup was about to start. HE just blurted out ' Shahid afridi made 100 runs in 36 balls. Inshallah it happens again'. I had passed my 8th class then. Just imagine the change it caused in my psyche.

    It was in april 2005 . I had just given my 10th class exams then. There was a match between india n pakistan in kanpur. Pakistan won that match. After returning from green park stadium, our car was passing through muslim areas. Crackers were bursting in those places. They were shouting like mad people . ' ALLAH u AKBAR! Agla world cup pakistan jeetega. Inshallah'

    There are numerous other examples. I have first hand experience of these people. I can never forget those incidents n shall never forgive them.

    Except the first experience you quoted, which is really grave, I too have faced the other ones. But, should I support elimination of all Muslims based on their preference in a Cricket game, really? One of my science teachers in school used to support Shahid Afridi with same fervour, but I think, he was actually a very good player. Back in those days, when cricket was not all about IPL, emotions used to run high during those India Pakistan matches.

    As far as your first experience is concerned, I know, anything I say, will seem illogical to you. But, if you keep your emotions aside for a while, you will find that same acts are performed due to caste and various other micro identities as well. I have seen and heard, even highly qualified people endorsing such acts. The simple thing is, people who cant even tolerate their kith n kin marrying outside their caste within same religious communities, it will take ages for them to accept marriages between different religious communities. I would have said that whole Muslim community is orthodox, if people in my community were liberal enough to accept Muslim girls or boys as partners to their own kith and kin as well. It is about social change dear, it is a extremely gradual process.

    I can only wish that you channelize your emotions constructively. I hope culprits responsible for your brother's killing get the due sentence as soon as possible!
  • The problem with people here is that they have lived in air conditioned rooms n led luxurious lives. They start their day with sugar coated lines of "the hindu" . All this goodie goodie talks leads them to think that everything is hunky dory. My comments are based on my personal experiences.

    My cousin brother was pursuing MBBS from GSVM college in kanpur. He was only child of his parents. He was in relationship with a muslim girl. He was chopped into small pieces n all pieces were packed in a bag n dumped in gutter. All muslims of that area were united. Their MLA irfan solanki stood like a rock behind them. Nobody came to help us. All the 6 accused boys are married. Having good time. Case lingers on and Justice eludes us. Nobody has come forward to help us. I am an eye witness to all this.

    In 2003 , My history teacher ( a muslim) had a slip of tongue in class. World cup was about to start. HE just blurted out ' Shahid afridi made 100 runs in 36 balls. Inshallah it happens again'. I had passed my 8th class then. Just imagine the change it caused in my psyche.

    It was in april 2005 . I had just given my 10th class exams then. There was a match between india n pakistan in kanpur. Pakistan won that match. After returning from green park stadium, our car was passing through muslim areas. Crackers were bursting in those places. They were shouting like mad people . ' ALLAH u AKBAR! Agla world cup pakistan jeetega. Inshallah'

    There are numerous other examples. I have first hand experience of these people. I can never forget those incidents n shall never forgive them.
    personal experiences sir??? i lived in lucknow and bhopal in middle of the muslim populated area. in each and every india pak match , they cheered for pakistan. so?? what ac and the hindu r u talking abt? u r not alone in this india who is intelligent enough to understand all this?? just because of all this u cant just go all out against any religion. anywaz no point in arguing with u.
    That's what I am trying to say that. Sikhs have so many religious places in pakistan. Maharaja ranjit singh's capital was lahore. They don't say meri jaan pakistan. Christians don't look to pope n vatican. Why is this one community so treacherous? The answer is simple- It's in their blood.
  • @jobhikarwalo Because you are basing your sense of judgement on others. You don't believe in ramayana. That is fine by me. I am worse, I am an agnostic. You are free to believe what you want AS LONG AS you do not let that judgement affect what others believe as right or wrong. Problem comes when you base it as an argument for the ayodya case. You can't say I dont believe this happened so that is wrong. Hope you get my point :)
    i never said it is wrong. i said i dont believe. i have my view point. i think someone planted all these stories in late 1800s. and regarding mosque and all - no comments. because i have never read quran and not even interested. all are humans. even if 99% muslims are wrong , u have no right to abuse the remaining 1%. this was my arguement. and i dont have intelligence like u to counter with facts.
    I am glad that this guy has conceded defeat. All others must also forward and debate. U arguments will bite dust within minutes. Counter my facts instead of acting like a snob. I throw challenge at u. Don't run away like a coward. Agar apni maa ka doodh piya hai , then come n debate. I will expose hollowness of all the pseudo seculars on this forum.
  • by the way another angel from religion of peace have wracked havoc in USA. I just want help from my suedo secular scholars here ..hey is VHP/RSS ka haath to nahi hai na.........

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