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  • @Jaime_Lannister

    Fashioned us for love?

    I fail to see any love. I fail to see any God.
    We kill for our greed, we destroy other species to satiate our thirst for consumption, we aren't even loyal to our own kind. We discriminate, we destroy and we thrive on it. Where is the love?
  • edited May 2017
    :) gn all
  • edited May 2017
    @Jaime_Lannister

    Fashioned us for love?

    I fail to see any love. I fail to see any God.
    We kill for our greed, we destroy other species to satiate our thirst for consumption, we aren't even loyal to our own kind. We discriminate, we destroy and we thrive on it. Where is the love?
    Sorry to barge in.
    Love is everywhere. Some people can see and some don't. Some people can seek it and some don't.

    I am a firm believer of an ideology that everything occurs in Pairs. Pair of opposites. If love exists, opposite of it definitely exists.

    Let me take the example of siblings,
    We love our siblings don't we? How do we show that love? By caring, defending and protecting them. Rarely do we find someone taking neutral stance when their siblings are in some kind of conflict irrespective of who's right or wrong.

    Similarly we love our parents, spouses and a few others. We become selfish in this process. Because to show love, we have to become biased towards our preferences and choices.

    In the process of establishing love for some, we also establish hate for others. That's when we use things like greed, discrimination, disloyalty etc so easily against them. It doesn't hurt to do bad things to which we hate.

    Now one may argue that, no I only love a few people and others I don't hate them nor do I care about them. This happens only in theory but not in practice. Because when there is love for something , there has to be hate for everything else. Yes, the magnitude of hate may vary or be negligible but there is definitely hate and such hate comes out in grandeur when we have defend our love.

    So, if you want to see love, it's very simple, look at your preferences and choices in life. You will feel love automatically.

    We kill organisms for survival, no matter how hard we try, we can never love absolutely, cuz if we do, we won't survive. Hate is necessary for survival. Likewise love is also necessary for survival. What matters is sustainability​. We should love or hate in a sustainable way so that there's a balance between us and everything else. If we love or hate in an unsutainable way, we will be the first ones to die. :)
  • @ Jaime_Lannister

    Fashioned us for love?

    I fail to see any love. I fail to see any God.
    We kill for our greed, we destroy other species to satiate our thirst for consumption, we aren't even loyal to our own kind. We discriminate, we destroy and we thrive on it. Where is the love?
    :/

    We kill for our greed, we destroy other species to satiate our thirst for consumption, we aren't even loyal to our own kind.

    True. :|
    But there's love too. :)

    I fail to see any God.

    He rarely interferes. That's the grand plan. We'll never understand why! :|
    UPSC aspirants are the worst. They can ruin anything in their "critically analyze" mode. Even an innocuous dialogue from GoT. :wink: :D
  • @Qui_Vivra_Verra

    And you think human beings know what sustainable love is? Leave aside the usual sibling, parent, spouse love.

    The problems that our world is grappling with today (here I am asking you to zoom out a bit and adopt a more holistic perspective)- Climate change, repulsive treatment meted out to animals in the name of fashion/food, the recent extinction of the first mammal species, destruction of habitat, etc.

    I do not see love. I see immense greed. Our definition of love is twisted. Just a euphemism we use to mask our selfishness.

    We love exotic animals, so we cage them for our own visual pleasure.
    We love their beautiful skin, so we skin them alive and wear them as jackets, shoes, bags and whatnot.

    This isn't for survival. I fail to see the survival aspect of it here. I am sorry. I fail to.


    @Jaime_Lannister

    Just giving a different perspective, the one which is often forgotten or ignored. :)
    I am an endangered species myself.

    @Tudor

    Everything is fine :). Thanks for asking.
    I like representing the underdogs at times. Someone has to.
    Just throwing in a different opinion.

  • edited May 2017
    @Orangutan
    The day things become unsustainable, we will not be here to debate.
    Currently things are moving as they are because, as inhumane as it sounds, we are doing things in a sustainable way.
    Yes there are hiccups like climate change etc but with every person trying to pollute, there's also someone making the air pure.. it's a mix of balance.. things go in pairs.. with every bad.. there is a right..

    There are people love animals immensely and there are people who don't. Again in pairs.

    We always are worried about things which can scream pain and things which can spray blood. This is where we as humans become hypocrites. We start to judge what is correct on the premise of blood and pain.
    We kill thousands of micro organisms everyday mercilessly everyday just for our survival. We digest, we stomp, we crush, we burn, we freeze so many billion micro organisms.. we never feel anything for the ants we crush or for the mosquitoes we fry or the trees we cull.. why?
    Becomes those micro organisms don't have a voice to scream pain and they don't have blood to make us feel bad.
    That is why we use different standards as per our comfort.

    Imagine if I refused to kill a single micro organism just because it is unethical to do so, I cease to exist at that exact moment.

    I have personally realized that morals, emotions and ethics are only good in theory.

    As long as majority of the people are happy(relative and subjective) , you are doing things morally and ethically. The moment you go against the majority, you know what you will be called.

    Life is too short to consider these irrational stuff. What is important is experience. We have become something because of the experience of billions of years embedded in our DNA. We should continue doing it. We should seek new experiences every day and make our life worth living. Experience teaches us survival and then codes into DNA. That's how we move forward.

    If we shy away from experiences citing morals, ethics and such things which the society loves and which doesn't apply to the affluent, you re doing injustice to your life by making it devoid of experiences.

    We are all gonna die one day, but the one who feeds maximum data to his DNA before bidding adieu is the most successful person. :)
  • @Tudor

    Ha ha. All's well for the time being.

    I just like defending the Mother Earth. A belated ode to her on Mother's day. She is often forgotten.

    Call me sentimental or mental :D. I worry about my carbon footprint.
  • edited May 2017
    @Tudor

    Ha ha. All's well for the time being.

    I just like defending the Mother Earth. A belated ode to her on Mother's day. She is often forgotten.

    Call me sentimental or mental :D. I worry about my carbon footprint.
    Exactly! We defend what we love. :)
    Who's gonna defend Mars now? :smile: Humans are already creeping there. :sweat_smile:
  • edited May 2017
    @Orangutan
    The day things become unsustainable, we will not be here to debate.
    Currently things are moving as they are because, as inhumane as it sounds, we are doing things in a sustainable way.
    Yes there are hiccups like climate change etc but with every person trying to pollute, there's also someone making the air pure.. it's a mix of balance.. things go in pairs.. with every bad.. there is a right..

    There are people love animals immensely and there are people who don't. Again in pairs.

    We always are worried about things which can scream pain and things which can spray blood. This is where we as humans become hypocrites. We start to judge what is correct on the premise of blood and pain.
    We kill thousands of micro organisms everyday mercilessly everyday just for our survival. We digest, we stomp, we crush, we burn, we freeze so many billion micro organisms.. we never feel anything for the ants we crush or for the mosquitoes we fry or the trees we cull.. why?
    Becomes those micro organisms don't have a voice to scream pain and they don't have blood to make us feel bad.
    That is why we use different standards as per our comfort.

    Imagine if I refused to kill a single micro organism just because it is unethical to do so, I cease to exist at that exact moment.

    I have personally realized that morals, emotions and ethics are only good in theory.

    As long as majority of the people are happy(relative and subjective) , you are doing things morally and ethically. The moment you go against the majority, you know what you will be called.

    Life is too short to consider these irrational stuff. What is important is experience. We have become something because of the experience of billions of years embedded in our DNA. We should continue doing it. We should seek new experiences every day and make our life worth living. Experience teaches us survival and then codes into DNA. That's how we move forward.

    If we shy away from experiences citing morals, ethics and such things which the society loves and which doesn't apply to the affluent, you re doing injustice to your life by making it devoid of experiences.

    We are all gonna die one day, but the one who feeds maximum data to his DNA before bidding adieu is the most successful person. :)
    The bold ones really seem gross assumptions buddy.
    Experience eh! One of my friend was a drug addict. Talk to him about experience. :D
    Realities are very very harsh, my dear.
    He would have got enough experience to avoid it further in his race for survival not just in this form of life.. but whatever form his future DNA takes shape. :)

    We seek experience because that's the only way to learn what is good for my survival and unfortunately we do end up doing bad things. Thats when we learn. There's no other way. That's how stuff works in nature. :)
  • There's not a a single organism in this universe which has not been unethical or immoral or cruel at some or the other point of time.

    If we still love being hypocrites and defend morality or ethicality while being immoral or unethical at some other point on time, then there's nothing more to debate. We can happily be hypocrites and there's nothing wrong in being one. :)
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