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Bureaucratic attitude vs democratic attitude

Last year there was this question in gs four. Where from to do such terms?

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  • Bureaucracy vs Democracy - straight up from pubad. Plus add BS about the term attitude from Ethics lexicon or any other notes or google.

    For other similar stuff not to be found in regulation sources - wide reading and presence of mind in the moment - the only things that can save you.
    A Lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of the sheep.
  • Bureaucracy vs Democracy - straight up from pubad. Plus add BS about the term attitude from Ethics lexicon or any other notes or google.

    For other similar stuff not to be found in regulation sources - wide reading and presence of mind in the moment - the only things that can save you.

    +1 and weber states that the rise of bureaucracy is rooted in democracy, as dmcy brings rule of law and to sustain it bcy is inevitable. But the attitude is clearly different
    London main barish bata ke nahi aati
  • merc_benz said:

    Bureaucracy vs Democracy - straight up from pubad. Plus add BS about the term attitude from Ethics lexicon or any other notes or google.

    For other similar stuff not to be found in regulation sources - wide reading and presence of mind in the moment - the only things that can save you.

    +1 and weber states that the rise of bureaucracy is rooted in democracy, as dmcy brings rule of law and to sustain it bcy is inevitable. But the attitude is clearly different
    Mohanty ke student lagte ho aap
  • But this much presence of mind can't come in exam that enables you to write an answer like a pub ad student. Is it there in lexicon?
  • Any comprehensive list of such terms pertaining to bureaucracy?
  • andy133 said:

    merc_benz said:

    Bureaucracy vs Democracy - straight up from pubad. Plus add BS about the term attitude from Ethics lexicon or any other notes or google.

    For other similar stuff not to be found in regulation sources - wide reading and presence of mind in the moment - the only things that can save you.

    +1 and weber states that the rise of bureaucracy is rooted in democracy, as dmcy brings rule of law and to sustain it bcy is inevitable. But the attitude is clearly different
    Mohanty ke student lagte ho aap
    Haha. Aap bhi lag rhe... ;)
    London main barish bata ke nahi aati
  • 24madaeve said:

    Any comprehensive list of such terms pertaining to bureaucracy?

    @merc_benz @andy133 please comment. May be if you could share such list from your optional pub ad?
  • 24madaeve said:

    24madaeve said:

    Any comprehensive list of such terms pertaining to bureaucracy?

    @merc_benz @andy133 please comment. May be if you could share such list from your optional pub ad?
    Bhai thoda acche se dekh k btata hoon. Try krta hoon
    London main barish bata ke nahi aati
  • Were u able to find anything @merc_benz
  • @24madaeve so sorry brother. Was out of town :| I'm taking these terms from R Aribam's book

    Bureaucracy is imparted with some specific features:

    Hierarchy

    Specialisation; coz they work for various departments at a time.

    Impersonal laws, every department is under some standardised laws. Occupants do not work according to their whims and fancies.

    Detached spirit, means public and private ends are distinct. Bureaucrats work with objective orientation.

    Non bureaucratic head, as politicians/ministers are topmost. This ensures proper checks and balance.

    Other features being.... integrity, honesty, rationality, neutrality(ie they are politically neutral), anonymity( they are not answerable to the assemblies, they work from behind the curtains)

    Hope this help

    London main barish bata ke nahi aati
  • I was going through the following news from 2014.
    http://wap.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/give-up-bureaucratic-attitude-gujarat-chief-minister-to-babus-114112801174_1.html

    What is meant by 'giving up bureaucratic attitude' here? Which traits? Thank you
    You raise me up to more than I can be...
  • edited November 2016
    race said:

    I was going through the following news from 2014.
    http://wap.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/give-up-bureaucratic-attitude-gujarat-chief-minister-to-babus-114112801174_1.html

    What is meant by 'giving up bureaucratic attitude' here? Which traits? Thank you

    Strict hierarchy.
    Laws get more importance over ethics.
    Rigid operating procedures.
    Good Bye. See you Later.
  • race said:

    I was going through the following news from 2014.
    http://wap.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/give-up-bureaucratic-attitude-gujarat-chief-minister-to-babus-114112801174_1.html

    What is meant by 'giving up bureaucratic attitude' here? Which traits? Thank you

    It's red tapism. Policies and plans are made but when it comes to implementation and execution it is not so.What CM stated in the news, he perhaps was referring to the elitist nature of bureaucrats.
    London main barish bata ke nahi aati
  • edited November 2016
    race said:

    I was going through the following news from 2014.
    http://wap.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/give-up-bureaucratic-attitude-gujarat-chief-minister-to-babus-114112801174_1.html

    What is meant by 'giving up bureaucratic attitude' here? Which traits? Thank you

    Bureaucratic attitude /Bureaucratic mindset etc today have got pejorative connotations ..there are many terms used to criticise bureaucracy generally. Few are -

    1) Colonial Hangover - means still colonial mindset..khud ko master maan na public k upr etc


    2) Ivory tower mentality


    3) Arms Chair policy making


    4) Rent seeking tendency


    5) Rule/Process centric ie Redtapism (not people centric)


    6) Secrecy driven (no transparency openness etc culture)


    7) Intellectual Arrogance ..jese hmko 3 4 saal upsc ki teyari krke lgta h "ONLY WE UNDERSTAND WORLD.. BAAKI SB TO C**** H !!!"


    8) Power hungry


    9) Rigid/Status-quoist mindset


    10) Hierarchy driven


    11) Generalist orientation ( ex scientist ko question pu6te h Einstein ne kya theory di thi explain kro..hme to sb aataa h !!!)


    etc etc... koi ant nhiiii criticisms ka..bsss yhi h ki Modern jmaanaa h to ye sb bdlnaa pdegaa..Good Governance isi se aayega..Minimum Govt Maximum Governance vision etc etc..



    Hopefully it helps.. simple simple words ..bss drop kr dena khi jrurat lge whi ;)
    Being IAS... 4 U Onlyyy... :-)
  • 24madaeve said:
    +1 Appreciate your help. Thanks ! :blush:
    You raise me up to more than I can be...
  • edited March 2017

    race said:

    I was going through the following news from 2014.
    http://wap.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/give-up-bureaucratic-attitude-gujarat-chief-minister-to-babus-114112801174_1.html

    What is meant by 'giving up bureaucratic attitude' here? Which traits? Thank you

    Bureaucratic attitude /Bureaucratic mindset etc today have got pejorative connotations ..there are many terms used to criticise bureaucracy generally. Few are -

    1) Colonial Hangover - means still colonial mindset..khud ko master maan na public k upr etc


    2) Ivory tower mentality


    3) Arms Chair policy making


    4) Rent seeking tendency


    5) Rule/Process centric ie Redtapism (not people centric)


    6) Secrecy driven (no transparency openness etc culture)


    7) Intellectual Arrogance ..jese hmko 3 4 saal upsc ki teyari krke lgta h "ONLY WE UNDERSTAND WORLD.. BAAKI SB TO C**** H !!!"


    8) Power hungry


    9) Rigid/Status-quoist mindset


    10) Hierarchy driven


    11) Generalist orientation ( ex scientist ko question pu6te h Einstein ne kya theory di thi explain kro..hme to sb aataa h !!!)


    etc etc... koi ant nhiiii criticisms ka..bsss yhi h ki Modern jmaanaa h to ye sb bdlnaa pdegaa..Good Governance isi se aayega..Minimum Govt Maximum Governance vision etc etc..



    Hopefully it helps.. simple simple words ..bss drop kr dena khi jrurat lge whi ;)
    But there is a different dimension you are missing.
    yeah you may be true about in todays cynical world bureaucracy is not behind and . But there are genuine points you missed in Bureaucratic attitude vs democratic attitude. and are not necessarily "pejorative connotations".

    E.g :
    Professional ethics vs personal conscience ethics/social norms. as bureaucrats work with several departments having specialized operations.
    eg. medical ethics, secret service.

    These means that larger public good, or national security , or even international relations , law and order priorities.
    do create situations where "Bureaucratic values" differ and appear in form of "std. op. proceedures" and code of conduct rules.

    these rules are made by legislature for proper functioning of delegated powers. This indirectly adheres to democratic functioning.

    correct me if anything remains or is erring.
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