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The 2015 Intolerance Debate

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  • some news from the other side .

    shameful .......no excuses conspiracies,blaming usa ,pakistan israel etc etc..it seems these kind of morons justify hindu terrorism..remark.......
    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/kalburgi-hate-message-how-social-media-led-this-24-yr-old-to-murder-and-prison/

    call spade a spade irrespective of which colour of spade it is...........
  • how come u pointed it out that the guys were from some special community? it is not clear in videos whether they were hindu/muslims/christian/ jains or there was a clg fight againt the boy..
    yes
  • http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-here-s-why-1-lakh-muslims-are-demanding-death-penalty-for-kamlesh-tiwari-2154898

    One Lakh Muslims, yes, you heard it right, One Lakh Muslims marched on the Streets of Muzzfarnagar demanding the death of Kamlesh Tiwari, a leader of Hindu Mahasabha for committing Blasphemy against their Prophet Muhammad. And that’s just in one single City. In Jaipur, Muslims raised Pro-ISIS Pro-Pak slogans in their protests against Kamlesh Tiwari. Time has come for us to throw Political Correctness in the Garbage Can because that’s where it belongs.

    Kamlesh Tiwari has been arrested for making derogatory remarks against the Prophet but the Cleric who announced a reward of 51 lakhs for anyone who beheads him is still walking free. What a mockery of Law and Order! Apparently, Kamlesh Tiwari had said Prophet Muhammad was a homosexual and it was enough to send thousands and thousands of Muslims into murderous rage. Also, if Kamlesh Tiwari can be arrested for making such a statement, why can’t all those ‘Rationalists’ who make a living out of denigrating Hindu Gods be arrested for making derogatory remarks against Hindu Gods?

    Also, according to Liberals, the definition of a moderate Muslim is anyone who’s not a terrorist and is against ISIS. I am aware that thousands of Muslims signed a fatwa against ISIS but that cannot be a criterion for being ‘Moderate’ as even Al-Qaeda is against ISIS. And if not being a terrorist is the criterion for being moderate, then it goes on to show how low their expectations are from Muslims.

    To add to the monstrosity, we have Liberals who argue people should not be arrested for making Pro-ISIS slogans. They argue that People should not be arrested for making slogans for any organization. So apparently, it is insane to imagine that people who shout Pro-ISIS slogans might indeed go on to commit acts of terror in the name of Islam and we must wait till they kill a few people before we arrest them. It’s no wonder then that sensible people are sick and fed up of Liberals providing cover fire for the Extremists.

    A global phenomenon has emerged where Jihadists use the very privileges that Liberal ideas have granted them to attack the very foundations of Liberal Democracies. Anjem Choudhary in the United Kingdom who openly makes statements along the lines of “We want Sharia, not Democracy,” while residing in the UK itself gets away because his hatemongering is protected by ‘Free Speech.’ And it is astounding that the Brits are busy signing a petition to ban Donald Trump from entering UK when they had no compunction after the court let out the rabid Jihadist Anjem Choudhary out on bail.

    We must realize that protecting Free Speech requires measures which aren’t always Pro Free Speech. And needless to say, the protests against Kamlesh Tiwari started from a Mosque. It’s not even surprising. We must look at how France is conducting a massive crackdown on Hate-Spreading Mosques which radicalize youth and so far their suspicions haven’t been unfounded. We must ask ourselves, “Are We going to wait till we have another attack on the Scales of Paris and Mumbai or are we going to act now and take drastic steps?”

    There were thousands of Muslims who took the streets during the funeral of Yakub Memon, a terrorist responsible for the murder of scores of Indians. And thousands of Muslims were consumed by a Murderous Rage by Kamlesh Tiwari. So we see a situation where a terrorist gets tons of sympathy from followers of the Religion of Peace and another person gets death threats for passing a comment on their prophet. Like a person said on Twitter, if they are willing to kill you for cartoons, it’s worth asking yourself what else are they willing to kill you for.

    And what is worse, the One Lakh Muslims in Muzzafarnagar and the thousands of Muslims in other parts of India who took to the streets against Kamlesh Tiwari, all of them have political power and the power to influence the policies of the nation. All of them can and will vote for candidates which appease their vicious agenda and I cannot imagine them voting for a candidate who promises to put the Indian Constitution above Quran and the Hadiths.

    Asaduddin Owaisi and others have come out during the farcical Intolerance Debate and claimed India is the best and the safest country for Muslims. Well, of course it is! In India, an Islamic Cleric can get away with inciting people to behead Kamlesh Tiwari and nobody bats an eye. Muslims have their separate Civil Laws and Subsidy for Hajj and openly mourn terrorists and the ones criticizing their insensitivity are deemed to be Islamophobes. Of course it is the safest country for Muslims!

    The worst part is Radicalization is a two way process. It’s inevitable that some portion of the Hindus will get radicalized witnessing for themselves the preferential treatment given to Muslims and Liberal Muslims will be caught in the crossfire. And then we will have Liberals and the Left parties screaming about Hindu Intolerance without even addressing the core issue of radicalization. The supreme authority of the Indian Constitution must be asserted and it must be asserted NOW to prevent the escalation of matters any more than they already have. Or else, the consequence WILL prove to be disastrous.
    http://www.thefrustratedindian.com/2015/12/kamlesh-tiwari-you-are-no-rationalist-you-do-not-deserve-liberalmedia-support/
  • A woman falsely accused of burning a Koran was ripped to pieces by a mob in Afghanistan. The woman, Farkhunda Malikzada, was falsely accused by a merchant who was selling Viagra and magical pregnancy amulets.

    The tormented final hours of Farkhunda Malikzada, a 27-year-old aspiring student of Islam who was [falsely] accused of burning a Quran in a Muslim shrine, shocked Afghans across the country. That is because many of her killers filmed one another beating her and posted clips of her broken body on social media. Hundreds of other men watched, holding their phones aloft to try to get a glimpse of the violence, but never making a move to intervene. Those standing by included several police officers.

    At first, the trial and convictions that followed seemed a victory in the long struggle to give Afghan women their due in a court of law. But a deeper look suggests otherwise. The fortuneteller who several investigators believe set the events in motion was found not guilty on appeal. The shrine's custodian, who concocted the false charge of Quran burning and incited the mob, had his death sentence commuted. Police officers who failed to send help and others who stood by received slaps on the wrist, at most. Some attackers identifiable in the videos avoided capture altogether.

    Farkhunda's death and the legal system's response call into question more than a decade of Western efforts in Afghanistan to instill a rule of law and improve the status of women. The United States alone has spent more than $1 billion to train lawyers and judges and to improve legal protections for women; European countries have provided tens of millions more.

    Do you think these results might have been avoided if we had spent $2 billion instead of only $1 billion?

    Farkhunda first visited the Shah-Do Shamshira shrine.... [where she noticed] the fortuneteller... [selling women] amulets to help them get pregnant, find a husband or have male children. Known as tawiz, the amulets usually consist of writings on a small piece of paper that a woman can pin to her body or keep in a pocket.

    Do you think Afghan women would have a higher birthrate if more of them found out the other way of having children?

    ... the fortuneteller, almost certainly with the assistance of the custodian, was trafficking in Viagra and condoms, said Shahla Farid, a member of the investigating committee set up by President Ashraf Ghani after the murder. Viagra is popular and easily available in Afghanistan.

    If Afghan men disproportionally suffer from erectile dysfunction, do the anger and despair that engenders explain why radical Islam is so attractive to them?

    When Ms. Malikzada complained about the amulets, the head custodian of Shah-Do spread false rumors that Ms. Malikzada had burned a Koran. Then the mob beat her to death.

    "Then she fell down on the ground and the people tried to beat her and pummel her... They were like kids playing with a sack of flour on the floor."

    In the videos, Farkhunda seems at first to be screaming in pain from the kicks, but then her body convulses under the blows, and soon, she stops moving at all. Even when the mob pulls her into the street and gets a car to run over her, and she is dragged 300 feet, the police stand by.

    By then, she was little more than a clothed mass of blood and bones. Yet still more people came to beat her. One of the most fervent was a young man, Mohammad Yaqoub, who worked at an eyeglasses shop. He heard the crowd as Farkhunda was dragged behind the car and rushed out, eager to join. The men had dragged Farkhunda's body to the riverbank, and Mr. Yaqoub looked for heavy rocks to drop on her. One was so large, he could barely lift it, he said. As Mr. Yaqoub milled with the crowd, other men set Farkhunda on fire[.]

    The end result is that there were a few convictions of the mob, and most of those were overturned or reduced on appeal. None of the police who stood by was substantially punished.

    Events at Shah-Do clearly got out of control. The police should have been mobile immediately, acting as interceptors to stop the mob before they could harm the alienated woman. Instead, many stood by and did nothing.

    This is another reason why we should end all Muslim immigration. Too many of them believe in this sort of intolerance. Let's say she had burned a Koran for real. That would still be no excuse for beating her to death. Honor killings, beating of women, clitorectomies with rusty razors, intolerance of other religions – we don't need more of this in America.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/12/woman_falsely_accused_of_burning_koran_ripped_apart_by_afghan_mob.html#ixzz3vWRI1D23
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  • edited January 2016
    hey guys have u seen how india has again become so tolerant???

    for those who ...and abuse hindus and hate every single ancient indian thing please first slap yourself and read this

    http://ndtv.com/india-news/pakistan-singer-adnan-sami-gets-indian-citizenship-1261281

    HAKUNA MATATA, LORIELIE, CHALU AUNTY,JOHN AND ALL OHTER DEBATERS PLEASE CONTRIBUTE


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  • This thread is an example of a discussion where a lot of inflammatory stuff has been written. Still people have challenged and debated the ideas without having the need of mods to regulate or ban it.
  • i wonder why there is no hue and cry over MALDAB WEST BENGAL . now what proof we need that there is definitely minority appeasement and terrorism is India.

    imagine if this would have happened in BJP ruled state...........some pics showing angels spreading brotherhood and peace in malda

    i request moderator please let the thread continue till there is no abuse and personal insult.....please show some guts moderator we are debating serious issue of our country ppl need to see where our fake secular values are taking us...........

    please guys no insulting remarks for any god or religion..we have enough facts and daily occurring terrorist attacks to expose...barbarians..show them their true face and let them introspect.......we don`t have to try hard...angels of peace would have been planning for some other peaceful event just watch and post here with source..

    and even then if this thread is banned then we can draw conclusion that even those who have power to uphold the truth in this case moderators are hand in glove with pseudo secularist and want to save them.............
  • edited January 2016
    found some thought provoking poem please read it ...

    What are we waiting for, assembled in the forum?

    The barbarians are due here today.


    Why isn’t anything happening in the senate?
    Why do the senators sit there without legislating?

    Because the barbarians are coming today.
    What laws can the senators make now?
    Once the barbarians are here, they’ll do the legislating.


    Why did our emperor get up so early,
    and why is he sitting at the city’s main gate
    on his throne, in state, wearing the crown?

    Because the barbarians are coming today
    and the emperor is waiting to receive their leader.
    He has even prepared a scroll to give him,
    replete with titles, with imposing names.


    Why have our two consuls and praetors come out today
    wearing their embroidered, their scarlet togas?
    Why have they put on bracelets with so many amethysts,
    and rings sparkling with magnificent emeralds?
    Why are they carrying elegant canes
    beautifully worked in silver and gold?

    Because the barbarians are coming today
    and things like that dazzle the barbarians.


    Why don’t our distinguished orators come forward as usual
    to make their speeches, say what they have to say?

    Because the barbarians are coming today
    and they’re bored by rhetoric and public speaking.


    Why this sudden restlessness, this confusion?
    (How serious people’s faces have become.)
    Why are the streets and squares emptying so rapidly,
    everyone going home so lost in thought?

    Because night has fallen and the barbarians have not come.
    And some who have just returned from the border say
    there are no barbarians any longer.


    And now, what’s going to happen to us without barbarians?
    They were, those people, a kind of solution.

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