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Nepal New Constitution - A Failure of Indian foreign diplomacy and Interest?

edited October 2015 in Current Affairs
India is not happy with new constitution and expressed that Madhesi/Terai people interest should be addressed.
If India cannot influence Nepal, How it will perform as Permanent member of UN?

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  • Each person thinks differently. Some say good topic too.
    I still think, this thread is important from UPSC point of view.
    However, UPSC will frame like this
    "What implication Nepal New Constitution have on India?

    Waise I don't mind mods close thread or ban me, if that makes you happy :)
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  • Little deeds of kindness,
    Little words of love
    Help to make earth happy
    Like the heaven above.

    I am not arguing with you. You can ignore me, my thread, get me banned.
  • edited September 2015
    Little deeds of kindness,
    Little words of love
    Help to make earth happy
    Like the heaven above.

    I am not arguing with you. You can ignore me, my thread, get me banned.

    Exhorting to your rationality is akin to the proverbial bhains (buffalo).
    It's actually immature to create a thread for every single question that comes to your mind. Now one might say that just close your eyes and move on, ignore the thread. But that's not the right way. I am surprised why mods are letting these single question oriented threads prevail.

    [Warning.]
  • Little deeds of kindness,
    Little words of love
    Help to make earth happy
    Like the heaven above.

    I am not arguing with you. You can ignore me, my thread, get me banned.
    Exhorting to your rationality is akin to the proverbial bhains (buffalo). It's actually immature to create a thread for every single question that comes to your mind. Now one might say that just close your eyes and move on, ignore the thread. But that's not the right way. I am surprised why mods are letting these single question oriented threads prevail.
    Well True, But I also disagree. If you have not entered some Exhaustive polity/optional thread or don't follow it, Only threads on Forum IAS are Cut Off, Bakar, nightbirds, review, whatapp group, flats and roomates.
    I don't think 1-2 separate thread to a particular question are harmful.
  • edited September 2015
    Go to the polity thread or the current affairs issue thread. Post it there. It (the thread)will come up on the first page and its visibility will increase and so will the participation and the credibility.
    Thanks. I am out.
  • edited September 2015
    Yaar hadd hi ho gayi. Are you really this stupid? Matlab why do you want to waste your own and others' time? You create random (and often controversial) threads each day. Each. Frigging. Day! If you want to do harakiri with your life and career, go ahead by all means. But don't "pollute" the forum and suck gullible people into random, useless debates. If you are so interested in debating, make yourself useful and follow the sensible debate topics.
    @mods - Please close these rubbish threads. And maybe ban this user?
    @Etat @focus @Thor @DrKingSchultz
    What kind of guy you are? All the threads he has started have every chances to appear in the examination stupid! When people like you are doing worthless chatting, flirting, passing time, on this worthless thread, "Tree for all the Night birds on ForumIAS" what is wrong in starting a topic on failure of 'indian diplomacy in nepal', idiot?!

    You worthless idiot atleast know that #backoffindia is trending worldwide for 5 consecutive days and in United states from the day our PM landed there?

    and look at the words you are using "dont pollute", "harakiri with your life", "random useless debate!"..go and see some psychiatrist before commenting here or calling people naive or gullible!

    I know your intentions idiot. If you dont want to contribute, just shut up and do your usual worthless chatting in a thread created for that.

    you have no right to criticize or demotivate any other members here. Who are you....to call someone's question as useless or random?!!

    there are more than 500 potential issues at present to cover to write decent answers in essays and GS papers. It is almost impossible to have clear idea on every issue. It is only if more and more topics are debated we can have fodder points to write alteast something in the examination. Even one point you get it from these discussions, it might help you in the examination hall.

    The pace at which forumias debate is going on, will not cover all the issues. They themselves know that. Forumias should have atleast 5 important new debates running everyday. Then only we can cover all the issues. We have only 80 days!

    Thats why i messaged this guy @himalaya singh to continue with asking more questions. Himalaya, what you are doing is absolutely correct and keep asking whatever question you feel is important for the examination. Dont get demotiavted by some worthless shitty guys like him. They know nothing and this guy has got 0% chacne to clear this examination!

    @root This guy has to apologize to @Himalaya Singh for demotivating him and others too. Or he must be banned. You just see the comment he has made and you yourself decide if the thread (failure of indian diplomacy) started by him is some idiotic topic or which has a great potential to be asked in essay or Paper2.

    And i request @root to start increasing the number of debates going on. I personally feel that it is not enough. Please dont look for quality. You just start as many issues to debate as possible. Let the people here add their view. So that we can cover all the topics soon. Just my suggestion.
  • edited September 2015
    Go to the polity thread or the current affairs issue thread. Post it there. It (the thread)will come up on the first page and its visibility will increase and so will the participation and the credibility.
    Thanks. I am out.
    Exactly. Pages are getting flooded by Single question threads. This same qs can be put in answer writing thread.
    It really becomes pain to eyes to see hundreds of micro questions taking up pages.

    @Himalaya Start a SINGLE THREAD and post all your queries and ramblings at one place. Your fans too can assemble there.

    [No. Separate threads are much better.]
  • Go to the polity thread or the current affairs issue thread. Post it there. It (the thread)will come up on the first page and its visibility will increase and so will the participation and the credibility.
    Thanks. I am out.
    Exactly. Pages are getting flooded by Single question threads. This same qs can be put in answer writing thread.
    It really becomes pain to eyes to see hundreds of micro questions taking up pages.

    @Himalaya Start a SINGLE THREAD and post all your queries and ramblings at one place. Your fans too can assemble there.
    your eyes won't get pained when you see topics on which pen to use, room for rent, some public service exams, night owls, night tree, placid room advt, review needed for some worthless course, frustration with hindu....but when someone asks an important question which might appear in mains...all of a sudden all genuine people will raise the flag and start protesting.

    your fans? ...why diving people here..who are you to decide that i am his fan and others are not this fans..huh?

  • @hedge123 No need to agrue dost. Everyone has different liking and disliking.
    Some prefer single thread and discussion at one place
    Other want different thread for different topics.
    By the way, ForumIAS doing the same thing by creating separate thread for each topic in Debate section.
  • edited September 2015
    I agree, Madhesis and Terai people, and more importantly it was Modi's first visit. Also the cry for revising the 1950 treaty, that treaty of Sugauli of 1816. The Chinese entry and also Maoist presence. There are lot of things, a free border in a destabilized country is tough to handle.

    The topic can used to debate a lot of things from Indo-Nepal relations to SAARC summit and its outcomes.

    Nothing is more wasteful that the marathon bakar thread. Then why is there an issue here. People are failing to use the forum well and concentrating on wasteful threads.

    For folks who are objecting, look at the older threads of 2013-14 to see what was the forum like.

    I do agree that compiling into one thread makes more sense and brings order.
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  • Putting pressure can also backfire India. Nepal is already bit disinclined with India interference., We can see from signal like Nepal asking for help from China although for earthquake victims. Hundred of Indian trucks are stuck on border. Signs are not good.
  • Go to the polity thread or the current affairs issue thread. Post it there. It (the thread)will come up on the first page and its visibility will increase and so will the participation and the credibility.
    Thanks. I am out.
    Exactly. Pages are getting flooded by Single question threads. This same qs can be put in answer writing thread.
    It really becomes pain to eyes to see hundreds of micro questions taking up pages.

    @Himalaya Start a SINGLE THREAD and post all your queries and ramblings at one place. Your fans too can assemble there.

    [No. Separate threads are much better.]

    :-bd
  • @Himalaya Singh : I'm moving all your issue threads under 'Issue Debates.' Keep up the good work. Post your topics under 'Issue debate' from now on.
    Prelims : 2/5; Mains : 0/2; Interview : 0; Remainder : 1+1 (Tired but not; Retired) / Medical Science / Kolkata / Nihilist extraordinaire | Thanks a lot...
  • @Himalaya Singh
    Honestly speaking I fail the understand India's position here (unless its about the impending Bihar elections, which would be petty to the least) India had no business being unhappy about a Constitution that was passed by a thumping majority in the Nepalese CA. India played a huge and constructive role in helping the CA move forwards acting as an interlocutor to bring the Maoists in the mainstream politics and sharing its own Constitution drafting experiences with Nepal. But its role and diplomatic pressures could be justified till before the Constitution was passed. Once it's done, renewed resistance from India would only create bitterness amongst the Nepalese especially when their media is going all anti-India highlighting how #backoffindia is trending.
    If we talk about our own Constitution drafting even the Communists and Socialists had boycotted it. Overtime they were incorporated within the Constitutional framework. Furthermore the Constitution is not set in stone. I understand that given the political backwardenss of the plain tribes it would be a difficult task but even in India the North Eastern states have been successfully championing for their own rights and have achieved a great level of autonomy.
    India should abide by its own principles of Panchsheel and respect and trust a very important and strategic neighbor to solve their own problems. India can continue to guide and pressurize it in the long term but shunning the Constitution was a poor diplomatic move.
    If someone can provide any diplomatic reason of this stance by India then please highlight the same.
  • Oh and as far as the UN part of the question is considered I think the question is misplaced. India has successfully traversed through some tough times by following the policies of NAM and non-alignment. It has also championed these in the UN as its stand on various issues. The command and respect that India has acquired in the international fora owes greatly to this maneuvering.
    It's rather unfortunate that the current UNSC is putting its head and interfering in all the wrong places. India needs to help change that. It's aim is not to influence nation externally but rather stop unnecessary interference from others states and guiding other nations. But the flair in diplomacy is where to draw that line.
  • @Thor @etat Thank you for consolidating and adding these topics in your debate section.


    Terai people:

    • Madhesis, along with the Tharus, form the bulk of population of Terai. The Terai region constitutes one-fifth of Nepal’s landmass, but accounts for over half of the nation's population. Madhesis have been fighting for equal representation in the country's political structure and the new constitution, according to them, has failed to meet their aspiration. Tehy constitute 40% of the ppn.

    People from Hills and central Nepal:

    * The north and central nepal and people in hills are considered to be elite. They have been trying to control the power for many years. This area is also home to Kathmandu, and the Gurkha or Nepali people who form about 45 percent of the country’s population.

    Problems in new constitution:

    * Uniting factors of nepal till now, Monarchy and Hinduism, both have been eliminated in the new constitution. (see the feature of new constitution). It considers nepal as secular country. We can write many points agisnt this declaration by the constitution.

    * Though the new constitution concedes federalism, long a demand of the people of Madhesh, it is not of the type they wished for. Nepal is now to be divided into seven states with boundaries that cut often across ethnic groups, angering many. Many in Madhesh wanted their entire region to be a separate, autonomous entity.

    * Provisions for office and citizenship exclude naturalized citizens. Furthermore, women who marry non-Nepali men cannot pass on their citizenship automatically. This effectively disqualifies their children from top posts in Nepal even if they acquire citizenship, because they will only be naturalized citizens.


    Effect:

    *While the intention was to keep Nepal from becoming too decentralized, the opposite seems to now be occurring, as the inability of Nepal’s hill elites to share power has lead to mass protests in the terai, threatening the country’s future. Nepal is thus in the throes of a crisis where two groups of roughly equal size cannot agree on an equitable distribution of power;

    Why India is angry:

    * Situation is not too dissimilar from that of Pakistan in 1971, where the militarily and politically dominant elites in West Pakistan dominated the slightly more populous East Pakistan.

    * Narendra Modi has shown more support and warmth toward Nepal than any previous PMs. Yet, Nepal ended up hastily implementing a constitution unfavorable to almost half of its population that is deeply problematic for India and its security. It could hurt Mr. Modi personally too! Note: India is the first country to send all the resources to help EQ victims.

    * India could face a major refugee crisis if things get worse. The truth is that Nepal is very important to India because of its location along its sensitive northern border.

    *It cannot be allowed to remain aflame for too long, given its proximity to both China and New Delhi.

    *If a solution is not found, the 1971 scenario may also unfold in Nepal. This would lead to the detachment of the terai from Nepal and its union with India.

    * Infact detachment of terai and union with india have both pros and cons. There can be seperate debate on that.

    In conclsion, Nepal cannot go agaisnt India. Its trade and bussiness is totally dependent on India. Nepal should avoid Pakistan’s mistakes in 1971, but if it doesn’t, India must take a proactive action that includes sending army there.

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