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Public Administration - Pawan Sir Review ?

Hi everyone,
This is just another common query regarding the subject teacher. Like most I am a novice in the preparation of the CSE '13.
Being from a technical background, this subject is entirely new for me.
Though its been said that CSE is 80% self preparation and 20% coaching, but a proper guidance does influence that 80%.

So, for the same thing, I am planning to join the coming October batch.
Some friends of mine have done their course at Pawan Sir and they told me that he used to be good, but now his response is not coming out to be that good. Plus he completed the entire course of June batch very fast.

So, considering the following points which person or institute will be best to join ?

1. Teaching in the manner which a novice would understand easily.
2. Comfortable classroom ambience.
3. Doubt clearing capacity.

Because the ultimate aim to study this subject is only to write that Perfect answer !!

Regards,
Apoorva.
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  • @apoorva

    Tbh most teachers nowadays are like that. If you are expecting every topic to be completed clearly then you are in for a rude shock. That‘s what I feel. For ex, I am taking philosophy and was happy the way the teacher was teaching until Western Philosophy and Philosophy of religion both topics were rushed like crazy.

    I took Pavan sir‘s Pub Ad classes and he has an easy way of explaining things, but he will rush paper 2 because that paper is mostly related to GS and ARC report. He will give you summaries of the report and explain the gist. But bulk of it, you have to do on your own.
    Even Mohanty sir rushes through paper 2 of pub ad.
  • An honest advice would be to do the balancing act - join Vajiram. The quality is good and classes are not as crowded as Mohanty. Results are not as unpredicatble as pawan Kumar's . Plus they do paper 2 pretty well, in my opinion.
    *No good deed goes unpunished* | I am no knight, do not call me Sir | I write articles for Civil Services Aspirants, you can find them at http://blog.forumias.com/author/neyawn |
  • But yes, this is not exactly a review of pawan kumar. @IwannabeIAS , I am guessing you joined Patanjali? They do Contemporary Western pretty bad. How was your experince with Pawan Kumar? Care to elaborate? The pluses and the minus's?
    *No good deed goes unpunished* | I am no knight, do not call me Sir | I write articles for Civil Services Aspirants, you can find them at http://blog.forumias.com/author/neyawn |
  • looks like no one of these mohanty or other teachers teach paper 2 very well.i am currently in vajiram and kiran sir is just awesome.i am more excited for his classes than paper 1.both of them are great.especially kiran sir.he has got great knowledge about all this paper 2 stuff related to gs and all.i think vajiram is best as i read that others do not do paper 2 that good.and about paper 1 all i can say is u will feel as if u r being taught abcd.gupta sir class is a bit boring sometimes but he teaches like we dont know anything and repeats many a times.
  • @Neyawn

    Thats quite a considerable choice. Thankyou.
  • edited September 2012
    Ya
    But yes, this is not exactly a review of pawan kumar. @IwannabeIAS , I am guessing you joined Patanjali? They do Contemporary Western pretty bad. How was your experince with Pawan Kumar? Care to elaborate? The pluses and the minus's?
    Yes, I took Philosophy at Patanjali. Very disppointed with how sir taught western and philosophy of religion. What should I do because tbh I didn‘t understand much in those classes. Should I try to understand from printed material or some other source. Problem is that I find his printed notes convuluted and hard to understand.

    As for Pavan sir,
    Plusses
    - Teaches the administrative thinkers very well
    - He combines a few chapters of paper 1 and paper 2 together rather than teaching them separately just to show the interconnection between the topics in paper 1 and 2
    - Makes you feel like you will get easy 300+ as long as you are reading his class notes and are upto date on current affairs/administration topics i.e. he keeps your morale high
    - Has a lucid way of explaining things
    - He is more than willing to help you you understad concepts in economics (outside of class) if you are struggling. (Taught economics at LSE)
    - Great for those who have already studied Pub Ad on their own before because his classes are basicaly review and maybe your concepts wil become much clearer.
  • Negatives
    - If you are not attentive in his classes you are screwed because he is a fast speaker so you might miss many points, basically there is high chance of not being able to take proper notes. Best thing would be to sit with someone who notes down everything he says.
    - Didn‘t find his discussion classes for previous years questions that helpful
    - No guarantees that all the tests will be held (we had only 2 out of 6)
    - he used to check answers but nowadays he does not because of huge 2-3 batches. Obviously does not want to be swarmed with thousands of answers...
    - I was told he teaches paper 2 well but frankly speaking I didn‘t think so. I mean he will cover the topics by giving summaries and dictating the gist of it, but you have to do a lot of reading for paper 2 on your own.
    - His printed notes are sub par. Only use them if you want to clarify something.
    - I have heard that compared to the results of 2009 and 2010 batches, the results of his 2011 batches were not as good.
    - wastes a lot of time on jokes which he can spend productively on something else. His jokes may offend people of certain states.....plz take them lightly
  • @IwannabeIAS

    Thanks a lot for the reply. That was really helpful in deciding. :)
    Can you also tell me about the test series for Pub Ad, when are they likely to start ?
  • @Apoorva test series is usually joined after your course is over. In your case it would be in June 2013.
    *No good deed goes unpunished* | I am no knight, do not call me Sir | I write articles for Civil Services Aspirants, you can find them at http://blog.forumias.com/author/neyawn |
  • Ohk. Thanks
  • @Apoorva What did you finally decide? :D
    *No good deed goes unpunished* | I am no knight, do not call me Sir | I write articles for Civil Services Aspirants, you can find them at http://blog.forumias.com/author/neyawn |
  • Pawan Sir good only for crash course and basic orientation..good thing with vajiram is that at least at the end of the coaching u will have one full comprehensive notes in hand...same with mohanty..but mohanty notes will be very bulky!!
  • if u take mohanty notes..u will have to make notes of his notes so that u can revise before exam..lol..all my friends had to do that before mains exam..
  • edited December 2012
    Hello to everyone there, after looking for Pavan Kumar on Google I was guided to this page for reviews, so I'll share my experience at Pavan Kumar's AOPA nd try mostly to speak abut the facts there (though sometimes they may be mixed with an opinion of mine :-)).


    So I joined this institute for the Jan batch of 2012 and was promised many big things at the time of admission, I like many other students there(which I later found out was guided by an awesome blog by Anay Dwivedi sir Rank-5 2009 CSE, this blog still guides many CS aspirants and is one of the best blogs ever written on this sub, but the times have changed since the times of Anay Dwivedi and so has Mr.Pavan Kumar, he might have been the person as is painted in the blog but unfortunately is not the same person now, so those of you who have come across Mr.Pavan Kumar via that blog may give a second thought about him and may ask some of his current students as well).


    So at the time of admission we were promised full course coverage, 8 tests, continuous guidance and evaluation till the end(that is to say till interviews), answer evaluations, quality material etc.


    But what actually happened there(only facts here), most of the facts(if not all) that he told were wrong, not only facts even some concepts were told wrong,(I can for once excuse for the facts as i have the habit of cross checking them, but when even the concepts are taught wrong and I have to re-read the books what's the use of coaching),

    A few of many such examples :- thinkers that forms the core, was also literally screwed by him and about the mistakes part; he has the habit of unnecessary addition from his side and it's hard to differentiate if it's his invention or genuine stuff, e.g.: he taught Mcgregor COINED the term "Human Resource Development" and gave a full lecture revolving around this thought, but when you refer to standard texts and search on net there is no such credit to Mcgregor instead HRD was coined by another thinker named LEONARD NADLER , and there were many such sorry shortcomings he even taught the concept of HOLDING COMPANY wrong giving examples of SAIL, CIL, BHEL !!!!!!


    And about answer checking and test parts 8 tests were promised of which only one was taken and whole class got roughly equal marks, and one thing that surprised most of us was that he didn't even cared to check the copies, because some serious errors were made in some questions and no note was taken by the teacher e.g. Communal Award was introduced in 1905(this was included in the ans. to a question of British on Indian Ad), he still corrected the question(without pointing out the error) and gave a 16/30 and once which were best answers were 17/30.


    Nd about guidance till the end when we went after clearing our prelims for further guidance he literally started asking more money for his crash course(20,000) or his performance augmentation programme(7,500) and was not even willing to correct our answers with sincerity, so it was seen that we were highly deceived by him(not only me but all Jan-2012 batch students, especially the ones appearing for mains), and the material provided by him was also sub-standard, not only core text but also the ARC reports in brief when u read from the ARC reports provided by him(by being provided it means you have to buy it from the adjoining prem photo state, yes all of the material needs to be paid for apart from the fees, no it's not a joke but serious he just provides to booklets of 500 page each which is of no good use the reports and all need to bought not brought) they have been edited in reckless way and sometimes give a notion different from the original reports so it's always better to go into the original reports rather than this good for nothing report.


    WE had very high regard for Pavan Sir in the beginning but his sub-standard practices and non-commercial behaviour was neither expected nor appreciated, I woke up in time and went through original reports and text books but none the less it took a lot of time and in the end I found no good use or any value addition after joining this institute, and after prelims I met a few students of his May batch they also complained of such unethical behaviour and expressed dismay at the quality of teaching there(I also came to know he increased the fee to around 39,000) the tests which were promised were not taken even after the prelims at the cost of our money he was conducting extra batches!!!!!!!


    I was late in writing this review(of some sort) due to mains exams now finally i have got to write one, though it won't be of any use to the present batches but may prove of some help to the future batches.

    I do not expect everyone to fully agree with the contents of this piece but this was the harsh reality which we faced and that too when we were working hard day and night for our first attempt, so those of you who don't agree may confirm with the present batches before joining that if such practices still prevail, if it has changed than it's good(which I highly doubt) otherwise you may want a re look at your available choices.As he gives 5 magical words to every batch of his(transparency, accountability, participation, decentralization, responsibility) no matter what question we were always prescribed to use these 5 words but believe me UPSC has evolved and changed and a look at this years Question Papers will definitely make you realise that it's much more than a game of just 5 words.
  • And one more thing not a single question was there from his notes, As paper 2 he doesn't teach :-D and paper 1 was highly unpredictable for all
  • edited December 2012
    What Aspirant2012 has said for Pawan Kumar also holds good for Mohanty. I would recommend future aspirants to not go to any teacher who has reputation of teaching one paper very well and not teaching another paper at all.
    “So many books, so little time.” ― Frank Zappa | Indian Police Service 2013
  • edited December 2012
    Sorry but Pavan Kumar doesn't even teach Paper 1 leave good or bad. He might have been a good teacher but unfortunately is not among one as of now.
  • @aspirant2012 it was eye - opener for me. i will totally agree with u. i am from outside delhi and came to delhi just before exam to take his crash course in september 2012. i found it pathetic, but was somewhy blaming myself for my debacle. now i am not shifting the blame to pawan sir, but surely he was not a good teacher
  • edited December 2012
    @witwiki yeah me too especially came to Delhi to join his Jan batch. And can u believe he finished the whole course of Public Administration in just 2 months!!!!!! Now the quality taught can be assessed, Philosophy which is considered much shorter optional than Pub Ad took a lot time to complete in the coaching around 3 months, and after that also teachers had to rush through the contemporary western and religion part in the end.

    But still they were much commercial and maintained a high degree of professionalism and delivered what they promised. And before the mains they took special classes for the appearing students at no extra cost.


    These are the levels maintained by the other coaching, he only asks for money failing in every commitment he makes, and in the end not only me but all(as far as i met) his Jan-2012 students were frustrated with his such kind of attitude.

    Me too not shifting the blame on Pavan Kumar but is criticizing him for his hollow commitments and inadequate teaching and......(the list goes on and on) but one thing should be expected from an IAS preparation institute if you can't guide other Aspirants then at least please don't misguide, because I know how much of extra effort i put in especially for pub ad(which could have been avoided but for the teacher) and still i am not sure about the result.

  • edited April 2016

    I like many other students there(which I later found out was guided by an awesome blog by Anay Dwivedi sir Rank-5 2009 CSE, this blog still guides many CS aspirants and is one of the best blogs ever written on this sub, but the times have changed since the times of Anay Dwivedi and so has Mr.Pavan Kumar, he might have been the person as is painted in the blog but unfortunately is not the same person now, so those of you who have come across Mr.Pavan Kumar via that blog may give a second thought about him and may ask some of his current students as well).
    to be honest...anay dwivedi cleared coz of his own efforts....he'd already appeared twice....his syllabus was complete...also must've revised a few times for his previous attempts....all he needed was a bit of polishing....he got that at pawan sir's & excelled.....but the credit went to the teacher (as always :p)

    One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.
  • I dont know how and who guided me, but dint consider these names since starting of my preparation. I went KSG for GS, find it nice, then joined their CSAT, again good, and from other students, i am getting positive view for PubAd too..its not final in my mind, still i find Vajiram good, as @Neyawn has told many times, but as KSG is just next to my room, and they are somewhat gathering, considering notes of all standard books and coaching center, so these are good!! So, if any one is around DU, Mukherginagar, they can consider inquiring about KSG too. Their GS and CSAT is just fantastic.( except Khan sir part :P)
  • edited April 2016
    These names refers to Mohanty and Pawan !! their is another marathon thread on their names here..one may consider that in pubad tab !!
  • edited April 2016
    Exactly Anay Dwivedi excelled because of his hard work and perseverance, and what i wanted to convey was that even if Pavan Kumar had an iota of share in his success, we can no longer expect any attention from him because of the huge number of students now he teaches, the times have changed now.

    And to be very honest Anay Dwivedi's blog is 1000 times more beneficial to an IAS aspirant than the full classes and guidance of Pavan Kumar combined!!!!!!! :-D

  • edited December 2012
    Me have also come to know(from my friends) that standards at Vajiram(w.r.t) Pub Ad are pretty good, and they provide good material also.

    So it's a better to trust a trusted and established name for guidance rather than going for such teachers who are riding on the success of other hard working aspirants. And personally I feel it's always better to look for seasoned teachers, lecturers or professors for guidance rather than unsuccessful aspirants who have turned to teaching. Because a teacher always teaches and makes you understand the basic concepts and theories whereas an aspirant tries to give you some tricks rather than focusing on understanding.Now UPSC as they themselves claim to look for “the overall intellectual traits and depth of understanding of the candidates rather than merely the range of their information and memory”, I am afraid that such tricks are not going to lead us anywhere and is only a deception.

  • Failed aspirant turned teacher wali baat par thoko taali !! =D>
    “So many books, so little time.” ― Frank Zappa | Indian Police Service 2013
  • edited April 2016
    @robinolds I'll object to the aspirant turned teacher thing . Why? Because Pavan kumar was never an aspirant. He used to just sit at the reception at Shriram's. And he didnt use to take any classes till then. Only after Anay, whom he informally guided, he started teaching.
    *No good deed goes unpunished* | I am no knight, do not call me Sir | I write articles for Civil Services Aspirants, you can find them at http://blog.forumias.com/author/neyawn |
  • @neyawn But he was a lecturer at London School of Economics! Came to know that from an aspirant whom Pavan personally helped in 2009 & 2010. She did her masters at LSE too. One thing I don‘t understand is why he returned India! Maybe because of downturn...anyways she cleared both times. 1st attempt IRS and 2nd attempt IAS.
  • @Neyawn he himself told in classes that he appeared for the IAS examination and exhausted all his attempts, and he could not make it to the final list because that time UPSC was penalizing Economics(according to him).


    And this LSE thing, as far as I heard he studied in LSE and he was an investment banker in London (sometimes he used to tell that he was working in London, but never shared what the job was so can't comment in this direction). And I was more aggrieved with him because after knowing that he is from Economics background he is teaching the concept of holding company wrong!!!!!!!!!!(yeah can you believe it) I have no reason to believe that he must not be knowing, but he used to take the classes so casually and used to come so unprepared for the classes, that it took a heavy toll on us. :-(
  • another rumor....that he was a specialist in public policy or something related to pub ad! and to think students join these classes on the basis of these assertions :(
    nobody knows what's the reality
    One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.
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