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Homosexuality decriminalised by SC : IPC Section #377

edited September 2018 in Miscellaneous
SC terms sexual orientation as biological phenomenon, says any discrimination on this grounds is violative of fundamental rights.


Justice Indu Malhotra says history owes an apology to members of LGBT community and their families for ostracisation and persecution they faced because of society's ignorance that homosexuality is a natural trait; its penal suppression infringes a host of fundamental rights.

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  • edited September 2018
    Had to happen, as long as there is A21, 377 can't survive.
    Good day in our democracy.
  • thanks supreme court
  • Now the next step is needed which is to give them right to marry (officially), acquire property, adoption and other things.

    Aur yeh bhi Supreme Court se hi ho payega. Parliament ke bus ki baat nahin lagti yeh, at least near future mein.
  • milestone. but its only a beginning. huge ground left to cover.
  • Now the next step is needed which is to give them right to marry (officially), acquire property, adoption and other things.

    Aur yeh bhi Supreme Court se hi ho payega. Parliament ke bus ki baat nahin lagti yeh, at least near future mein.

    wont it be implicit ? , i mean if they are not allowed to marry that will too be discrimination
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  • Now the next step is needed which is to give them right to marry (officially), acquire property, adoption and other things.

    Aur yeh bhi Supreme Court se hi ho payega. Parliament ke bus ki baat nahin lagti yeh, at least near future mein.

    wont it be implicit ? , i mean if they are not allowed to marry that will too be discrimination
    verdict only decriminalises 377 that is unnatural sex. not talks of other aspects. its now responsibility of legislature to take it forward from here.
  • Now the next step is needed which is to give them right to marry (officially), acquire property, adoption and other things.

    Aur yeh bhi Supreme Court se hi ho payega. Parliament ke bus ki baat nahin lagti yeh, at least near future mein.

    wont it be implicit ? , i mean if they are not allowed to marry that will too be discrimination
    I think amendment in special marriage act is needed for that. Plus amendment in other acts needed to give them right to adopt and inherit.

    Btw surrogacy bill also comes into picture with this verdict. The present bill needs some modification to be in consonance with this judgment.
  • Waiting for Subramaniam Swamy to be out with his Gobar-canon targeting the SC now. :D
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  • Waiting for Subramaniam Swamy to be out with his Gobar-canon targeting the SC now. :D

    Uska bhi apna political compulsions hai yaar. Warna personal life mein he is just like Jinnah. :D
  • I don't know why people are celebrating this judgement?No one knows about what happens in a closed room.Sex is a private affairs not a public.How can others know about it?
    The question is that will they able to live as living partners and all the rights conferred to married people applied to them.And will they allowed to follow their religion?
  • edited September 2018
    ias007 said:

    I don't know why people are celebrating this judgement?No one knows about what happens in a closed room.Sex is a private affairs not a public.How can others know about it?
    The question is that will they able to live as living partners and all the rights conferred to married people applied to them.And will they allowed to follow their religion?

    The first step is to decriminalise. As living partners, ofcourse now that it's decriminalised.

    As for marriage, that is the domain of legality. The court can do nothing about it, it's upto citizens of India to choose a government that will bring out such a law in future. Why blame the Judiciary for it?

    Religion the Judiciary or the state should not interfere. India's notoriously skewed idea of Secularism may not agree with me, but it's not a secular state's duty to regulate religion. I don't understand why any homosexual would like to stay in religions that condemn him/her to eternal hell, anyway.

    People in India should definitely celebrate that we have highly rational and qualified judges. Even in Western countries, prejudiced Christian morality had prevented decriminalization of homosexuality for a long time, with US Judges actively blocking progressive steps like homosexiality, abortion, etc even now to this day.. We are a rare 3rd world nation that has achieved the feat, so it is a testament to the quality of our Judiciary. There is definitely every reason to celebrate.
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  • edited September 2018
    Well,the only good thing I can say about this judgement,is that I am not surprised.Powerful hold of LGBT lobby on media/judiciary has successfully led ignorant masses into believing that this perversion is love.As Tyson Fury said,next stop is pedophillia(which breeds homosexuality) and incest(far more common in nature,hence "natural"),just like in France where there is no minimum age for consensual sex.
    To all innocent supporters of LGBT,please view video of Lisbon LGBT parade just for 5 minutes,and ask youself if you want this kind of perversion in India.
    Today,all morally corrupt and slaves of decadent west are celebrating as age of morality comes crashing down.They have taken the first step to convert this moral and cultural country into a centre of perversion....kind of like Weimar Republic once was.We have been on that road before,havent we?
    We shall be avenged.

    Here is (an excerpt of) what Captain Ajith Vadakayil wrote on his blog:
    http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2018/09/supreme-court-strikes-down-sec-377.html#comment-form



    ALL KNEW THE INCLINATIONS OF THE 5 JUDGE BENCH EVEN BEFORE THE DELIBERATIONS ON SEC 377 STARTED -- THE MEDIA HAS PUT IT DOWN IN BLACK AND WHITE


    WHEN AS PER THE CONSTITUTION, THE JUDGES MUST NOT REVEAL WHAT IS IN THEIR MANN MANDIR BEFORE THE JUDGEMENT


    WE THE PEOPLE OF INDIA KNOW THAT JUDICIARY CANNOT CREATE OR STRIKE DOWN EXISTING LAWS.JUDICIARY CAN ONLY INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION. LAWS CAN ONLY BE CREATED OR STRUCK DOWN BY THE ELECTED MPs.. THIS IS WHAT OUR CONSTITUTION SAYS

    IF PRIVACY LAWS ARE APPLIED THIS WAY USING THE TEMPLATE OF THE CONSTITUTION, ( HIJACKED REALLY ) THEN BY THE SAME ARGUMENT INCEST, PEDOPHILIA, NECROPHILIA, BESTIALITY – ALL ARE ALLOWED..

    ALL SEXUAL PERVERSIONS ARE GAME BEHIND CLOSED DOORS .. KARMA CATCHES UP FROM BEHIND CLOSED DOORS..

    GOD DOES NOT ALLOW A MANs PENIS TO BE PUT INTO ANOTHER MANs BOTTOM ORIFICE MEANT TO EJECT SHIT IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM OF CHOICE ..

    THIS IS NOT LOVE , THIS IS BASE LUST

    FIVE COLLEGIUM JUDGES WITH PRECONCIEVED NOTIONS CANNOT DELIVER SUCH A SWEEPING JUDGEMENT FOR A NATION OF 1300 MILLION PEOPLE , IN A LAND WITH THE MOST ANCIENT CULTURE ..

    THESE COLLEGIUM JUDGES ARE UNELECTED AND UNACCOUNATABLE.


    OUR CONSTITUTION DOES NOT ALLOW JUDGES TO ELECT JUDGES.
    ................and so on.............
  • edited September 2018
    The angry rightwinger above quotes Vadakayil...a famously deranged lunatic who has been a source of entertainment the world over and has even denied the Holocaust once. The charade gets more hiiarious every moment :D :dizzy:


    Oh I almost missed the Weimar rebuke... certified Nazi then. Too bad you're probably the wrong skin colour to be in the camp.
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  • At last justice is served..
    all i need is You Lord
  • The angry rightwinger above quotes Vadakayil...a famously deranged lunatic who has been a source of entertainment the world over and has even denied the Holocaust once. The charade gets more hiiarious every moment :D :dizzy:


    Oh I almost missed the Weimar rebuke... certified Nazi then. Too bad you're probably the wrong skin colour to be in the camp.

    and So has David Irving.Yes,one may deny many of Vadakayil's theories as conspiracies or lunatic or even delusional,but you cant deny that only he had courage to swim against tide of mainstream media's propaganda.I have not found anybody else who could muster up courage to speak politically incorrectly on LGBT issue.
  • Several regressives will come now equating Paedophilia and bestiality with homosexuality...a line Christian fundamentalists often use in USA and EU to block legalisation of Homosexuality. Sad to see it being peddled in India, especially replete with logical fallacies inherited from Nazi thought. However, I believe lunchtime is a good time for exposition of the same, and why our Judges are qualified people and are NOT idiots on the payrolls of a lobby as claimed above.

    1. Pedophilia is necessarily rape. Children cannot consent so the line 'consenting adults' used in the judgement doesn't hold. France certainly has an age of consent, the lies against France are well articulated in Eastern European Nazi circles though so I see where it is coming from. French law keeps age of consent at 15 years of age. I see nothing wrong with the law, it should be lowered alongwith voting age to about 15 now, the newer generations have higher IQ and more maturity, it's only a natural progression.

    2. Bestiality again, no concept of consent. Animals cannot consent, so any act with them is rape. How many low IQ Nazis will it take to spread this simple logic around?
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  • The angry rightwinger above quotes Vadakayil...a famously deranged lunatic who has been a source of entertainment the world over and has even denied the Holocaust once. The charade gets more hiiarious every moment :D :dizzy:


    Oh I almost missed the Weimar rebuke... certified Nazi then. Too bad you're probably the wrong skin colour to be in the camp.

    And we dont need white man's endorsement.It was German quest to find some nobility in their tribal barbaric roots,which led them to India,and not the other way around
  • The angry rightwinger above quotes Vadakayil...a famously deranged lunatic who has been a source of entertainment the world over and has even denied the Holocaust once. The charade gets more hiiarious every moment :D :dizzy:


    Oh I almost missed the Weimar rebuke... certified Nazi then. Too bad you're probably the wrong skin colour to be in the camp.

    and So has David Irving.Yes,one may deny many of Vadakayil's theories as conspiracies or lunatic or even delusional,but you cant deny that only he had courage to swim against tide of mainstream media's propaganda.I have not found anybody else who could muster up courage to speak politically incorrectly on LGBT issue.
    There is nothing politically incorrect, there is only regressive propaganda against homosexuality sourced from religitards. Mainstream media is well owned by educated people, so they try to create educated discourse, however more often than not, the propaganda against homosexuality is far stronger. I could even give you a brownie point if you brought something original instead of peddling the same old Nazi tripe. How about indigenization of prejudice? At least give a more Indian version of the regression maybe?
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  • The angry rightwinger above quotes Vadakayil...a famously deranged lunatic who has been a source of entertainment the world over and has even denied the Holocaust once. The charade gets more hiiarious every moment :D :dizzy:


    Oh I almost missed the Weimar rebuke... certified Nazi then. Too bad you're probably the wrong skin colour to be in the camp.

    And we dont need white man's endorsement.It was German quest to find some nobility in their tribal barbaric roots,which led them to India,and not the other way around
    Nothing German, just Nazi. Haha you should probably read about the Nazi idea of how White Aryans created the whole of Indian civilization and race-mixing with Australoids subhumans in India caused India's fall. Fascinating people, the Nazis. I cant see why you love Nazi ideals of 'nobility' and 'pure race' as an Indian, but I guess regressives of all colours stick together against social progression regardless of their differences in belief.
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  • Several regressives will come now equating Paedophilia and bestiality with homosexuality...a line Christian fundamentalists often use in USA and EU to block legalisation of Homosexuality. Sad to see it being peddled in India, especially replete with logical fallacies inherited from Nazi thought. However, I believe lunchtime is a good time for exposition of the same, and why our Judges are qualified people and are NOT idiots on the payrolls of a lobby as claimed above.

    1. Pedophilia is necessarily rape. Children cannot consent so the line 'consenting adults' used in the judgement doesn't hold. France certainly has an age of consent, the lies against France are well articulated in Eastern European Nazi circles though so I see where it is coming from. French law keeps age of consent at 15 years of age. I see nothing wrong with the law, it should be lowered alongwith voting age to about 15 now, the newer generations have higher IQ and more maturity, it's only a natural progression.

    2. Bestiality again, no concept of consent. Animals cannot consent, so any act with them is rape. How many low IQ Nazis will it take to spread this simple logic around?

    1.Quoting from news report :
    Children and women's rights groups nonetheless criticised the lack of legislation, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two men for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn't prove coercion.

    "France has stopped short of setting a legal age of sexual consent following a heated debate in the National Assembly.

    While the lower house of parliament voted on a bill to toughen laws on the rape of children, lawmakers voted against setting at 15 the minimum age at which a minor cannot consent to a sexual relationship with an adult.

    As a result, there is still no law establishing a legal age of sexual consent in France."

    2. Leave Bestiality aside,What would be your defense of incest-far more "natural" than homosexuality?
  • edited September 2018

    Several regressives will come now equating Paedophilia and bestiality with homosexuality...a line Christian fundamentalists often use in USA and EU to block legalisation of Homosexuality. Sad to see it being peddled in India, especially replete with logical fallacies inherited from Nazi thought. However, I believe lunchtime is a good time for exposition of the same, and why our Judges are qualified people and are NOT idiots on the payrolls of a lobby as claimed above.

    1. Pedophilia is necessarily rape. Children cannot consent so the line 'consenting adults' used in the judgement doesn't hold. France certainly has an age of consent, the lies against France are well articulated in Eastern European Nazi circles though so I see where it is coming from. French law keeps age of consent at 15 years of age. I see nothing wrong with the law, it should be lowered alongwith voting age to about 15 now, the newer generations have higher IQ and more maturity, it's only a natural progression.

    2. Bestiality again, no concept of consent. Animals cannot consent, so any act with them is rape. How many low IQ Nazis will it take to spread this simple logic around?

    1.Quoting from news report :
    Children and women's rights groups nonetheless criticised the lack of legislation, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two men for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn't prove coercion.

    "France has stopped short of setting a legal age of sexual consent following a heated debate in the National Assembly.

    While the lower house of parliament voted on a bill to toughen laws on the rape of children, lawmakers voted against setting at 15 the minimum age at which a minor cannot consent to a sexual relationship with an adult.

    As a result, there is still no law establishing a legal age of sexual consent in France."

    2. Leave Bestiality aside,What would be your defense of incest-far more "natural" than homosexuality?
    1. Reasonable restrictions may exist which I have no idea of. However, French penal code has 15 as minimum age of consent. I have lived in Europe, I know this first hand. You can check Google and French govt sites instead of Vadakayil's blog maybe?

    2. The problem with Incest is that it can breed deformed children. Since the children did not consent to their life of disability, it cannot be allowed between two consenting adults unless they are sterilized. So yes, Incest can be made legal, provided the couple undergo sterilisation/vasectomy first.

    Also Incest isn't natural. Most animal species have inbuilt biological mechanisms to prevent Incest, from insectoid pheromones to social circles among chimps and oragnutans and elephants. If Incest is allowed in nature, it will lead to specietal extinction, species only take to Incest when they are dying out like the mammoths did at the end of the Ice Age. Maybe you need a biology class alongwith your Nazi mentors.
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  • The angry rightwinger above quotes Vadakayil...a famously deranged lunatic who has been a source of entertainment the world over and has even denied the Holocaust once. The charade gets more hiiarious every moment :D :dizzy:


    Oh I almost missed the Weimar rebuke... certified Nazi then. Too bad you're probably the wrong skin colour to be in the camp.

    And we dont need white man's endorsement.It was German quest to find some nobility in their tribal barbaric roots,which led them to India,and not the other way around
    Nothing German, just Nazi. Haha you should probably read about the Nazi idea of how White Aryans created the whole of Indian civilization and race-mixing with Australoids subhumans in India caused India's fall. Fascinating people, the Nazis. I cant see why you love Nazi ideals of 'nobility' and 'pure race' as an Indian, but I guess regressives of all colours stick together against social progression regardless of their differences in belief.
    Yes I have.You see ,one must put everything in context.Those were times when scientific racialism and social darwinism were mainstream research subjects.Leave Germany,Jim crow segregation laws were effective in US till 60s.Chirchill's racist notions are as vulgar as natsi explanation of India's decadence due to intermixing of races.Probably,they were not aware of gotra system,which has kept Hindus largely free from mental degenerations.Anyways,those were very racial times and one cannot quote something in isolation.
  • Why are we talking about incest on this thread :D
    How is LGBT rights related to incest, i fail to understand and will always :D
  • edited September 2018
    Bhai. Please save some energy for upcoming judgements regarding art 35a and Babri masjid title dispute case. Those would be a lot more exciting to discuss.

    Until then, please try to remain in scope of upsc. Esp jiska mains hai. :neutral:
  • pizzza said:

    Why are we talking about incest on this thread :D
    How is LGBT rights related to incest, i fail to understand and will always :D

    It's a common line of defence for regressives. 'first homosexuality, then Incest...izz only a matter of time we must fight social degeneration heil fuhrer'

    It's common in the trashcans of Eastern Europe. Never thought its penetrated India though. Must be the Subramaniam Swamy effect.
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  • Several regressives will come now equating Paedophilia and bestiality with homosexuality...a line Christian fundamentalists often use in USA and EU to block legalisation of Homosexuality. Sad to see it being peddled in India, especially replete with logical fallacies inherited from Nazi thought. However, I believe lunchtime is a good time for exposition of the same, and why our Judges are qualified people and are NOT idiots on the payrolls of a lobby as claimed above.

    1. Pedophilia is necessarily rape. Children cannot consent so the line 'consenting adults' used in the judgement doesn't hold. France certainly has an age of consent, the lies against France are well articulated in Eastern European Nazi circles though so I see where it is coming from. French law keeps age of consent at 15 years of age. I see nothing wrong with the law, it should be lowered alongwith voting age to about 15 now, the newer generations have higher IQ and more maturity, it's only a natural progression.

    2. Bestiality again, no concept of consent. Animals cannot consent, so any act with them is rape. How many low IQ Nazis will it take to spread this simple logic around?

    1.Quoting from news report :
    Children and women's rights groups nonetheless criticised the lack of legislation, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two men for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn't prove coercion.

    "France has stopped short of setting a legal age of sexual consent following a heated debate in the National Assembly.

    While the lower house of parliament voted on a bill to toughen laws on the rape of children, lawmakers voted against setting at 15 the minimum age at which a minor cannot consent to a sexual relationship with an adult.

    As a result, there is still no law establishing a legal age of sexual consent in France."

    2. Leave Bestiality aside,What would be your defense of incest-far more "natural" than homosexuality?
    1. Reasonable restrictions may exist which I have no idea of. However, French penal code has 15 as minimum age of consent. I have lived in Europe, I know this first hand. You can check Google and French govt sites instead of Vadakayil's blog maybe?

    2. The problem with Incest is that it can breed deformed children. Since the children did not consent to their life of disability, it cannot be allowed between two consenting adults unless they are sterilized. So yes, Incest can be made legal, provided the couple undergo sterilisation/vasectomy first.

    Also Incest isn't natural. Most animal species have inbuilt biological mechanisms to prevent Incest, from insectoid pheromones to social circles among chimps and oragnutans and elephants. If Incest is allowed in nature, it will lead to specietal extinction, species only take to Incest when they are dying out like the mammoths did at the end of the Ice Age. Maybe you need a biology class alongwith your Nazi mentors.
    Biradar,

    1.Maybe you did not understand what I wrote.I said "quoting from news report"
    here it is
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-sex-age-consent-minimum-national-assembly-vote-15-rape-a8355516.html

    And that you have lived in France is irrelevent.

    2.Poor comprehension again,I said "incest far more natural than homosexuality",which is a fact. I never said incest is natural per se.anyways I dont

  • edited September 2018

    Several regressives will come now equating Paedophilia and bestiality with homosexuality...a line Christian fundamentalists often use in USA and EU to block legalisation of Homosexuality. Sad to see it being peddled in India, especially replete with logical fallacies inherited from Nazi thought. However, I believe lunchtime is a good time for exposition of the same, and why our Judges are qualified people and are NOT idiots on the payrolls of a lobby as claimed above.

    1. Pedophilia is necessarily rape. Children cannot consent so the line 'consenting adults' used in the judgement doesn't hold. France certainly has an age of consent, the lies against France are well articulated in Eastern European Nazi circles though so I see where it is coming from. French law keeps age of consent at 15 years of age. I see nothing wrong with the law, it should be lowered alongwith voting age to about 15 now, the newer generations have higher IQ and more maturity, it's only a natural progression.

    2. Bestiality again, no concept of consent. Animals cannot consent, so any act with them is rape. How many low IQ Nazis will it take to spread this simple logic around?

    1.Quoting from news report :
    Children and women's rights groups nonetheless criticised the lack of legislation, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two men for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn't prove coercion.

    "France has stopped short of setting a legal age of sexual consent following a heated debate in the National Assembly.

    While the lower house of parliament voted on a bill to toughen laws on the rape of children, lawmakers voted against setting at 15 the minimum age at which a minor cannot consent to a sexual relationship with an adult.

    As a result, there is still no law establishing a legal age of sexual consent in France."

    2. Leave Bestiality aside,What would be your defense of incest-far more "natural" than homosexuality?
    1. Reasonable restrictions may exist which I have no idea of. However, French penal code has 15 as minimum age of consent. I have lived in Europe, I know this first hand. You can check Google and French govt sites instead of Vadakayil's blog maybe?

    2. The problem with Incest is that it can breed deformed children. Since the children did not consent to their life of disability, it cannot be allowed between two consenting adults unless they are sterilized. So yes, Incest can be made legal, provided the couple undergo sterilisation/vasectomy first.
    children born out of incest sex have more probability of being disabled. it doesn't mean children born of such relationship will always be disabled. correct me if i am wrong. similarly children born to much older parents or mentally challenged couples are also prone to more disability. but we don't regulate such births. what i want to know is if danger of producing deformed child correct ground of preventing incest relationships?
  • The angry rightwinger above quotes Vadakayil...a famously deranged lunatic who has been a source of entertainment the world over and has even denied the Holocaust once. The charade gets more hiiarious every moment :D :dizzy:


    Oh I almost missed the Weimar rebuke... certified Nazi then. Too bad you're probably the wrong skin colour to be in the camp.

    And we dont need white man's endorsement.It was German quest to find some nobility in their tribal barbaric roots,which led them to India,and not the other way around
    Nothing German, just Nazi. Haha you should probably read about the Nazi idea of how White Aryans created the whole of Indian civilization and race-mixing with Australoids subhumans in India caused India's fall. Fascinating people, the Nazis. I cant see why you love Nazi ideals of 'nobility' and 'pure race' as an Indian, but I guess regressives of all colours stick together against social progression regardless of their differences in belief.
    Yes I have.You see ,one must put everything in context.Those were times when scientific racialism and social darwinism were mainstream research subjects.Leave Germany,Jim crow segregation laws were effective in US till 60s.Chirchill's racist notions are as vulgar as natsi explanation of India's decadence due to intermixing of races.Probably,they were not aware of gotra system,which has kept Hindus largely free from mental degenerations.Anyways,those were very racial times and one cannot quote something in isolation.
    Implying race-mixing does lead to degeneration hahaha. Unfortunately, thats far from truth. Hindus are about the most mixed race people on Earth. I know you can't swallow the pill, but the only way to keep race 'pure' is to marry close genetic clusters...i.e. the road to your much hated Incest.

    I can understand the source of Pure Race degeneracy now quite well xD :D
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  • edited September 2018

    pizzza said:

    Why are we talking about incest on this thread :D
    How is LGBT rights related to incest, i fail to understand and will always :D

    It's a common line of defence for regressives. 'first homosexuality, then Incest...izz only a matter of time we must fight social degeneration heil fuhrer'

    It's common in the trashcans of Eastern Europe. Never thought its penetrated India though. Must be the Subramaniam Swamy effect.
    True. :D
    Well, you can add this as an outcome of globalization :D :D :D
  • pizzza said:

    Why are we talking about incest on this thread :D
    How is LGBT rights related to incest, i fail to understand and will always :D

    Bhai. Tu yeh lambe lambe comments padh bhi raha hai? :o :neutral:

    Abe bhakk.. :D :D
    Aadat hai, Tumhara bhi lambe lambe comments padtha hu :D
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