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edited July 2018 in Miscellaneous
Post you DAF related queries here and seniors can guide newcommers regarding this.

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  • much needed thread :)
  • Has DAF been released?
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  • Has DAF been released?

    not yet...but we can dscs the essentials sparing some time...
  • Over the years, I have developed watching travel channels as an interest area. Also, shows on India's rich culture (Epic). Will it qualify as a hobby or just an interest area it is?
    Plus how do I put it on DAF?
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  • Has DAF been released?

    not yet...but we can dscs the essentials sparing some time...
    Multiple threads are being made in forum related to this , so a thread is made to confine all to one .
    Will be deannounced in late evening
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  • pls put service preference here..after ias,ips and IRS(IT)..and thing is dat im little interested in IFS
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  • paddy123 said:

    pls put service preference here..after ias,ips and IRS(IT)..and thing is dat im little interested in IFS

    ...a whole lot are intrstd in IFS :p
  • Can anyone brief about IRPS?
  • One thing I am sure is that I don't want to fill ips as a choice.Not suitable for me. Between ias and ifs I am really confused.
    My preference list will be something like this-
    IFS/IAS> IRS IT> IRS CE
    Moreover I don't want to spend more than half a day on DAF. Already lagging in mains prep.
    Part of being a winner is knowing when enough is enough. Sometimes you have to give up the fight and walk away, and move on to something that's more productive.

  • Mine preference will be IAS, IRS(IT), IFS, IPS, IRS, IAAS, DANACS, IDES,icas,idas,icls,its,iis, ips and likewise
  • One thing I am sure is that I don't want to fill ips as a choice.Not suitable for me. Between ias and ifs I am really confused.
    My preference list will be something like this-
    IFS/IAS> IRS IT> IRS CE
    Moreover I don't want to spend more than half a day on DAF. Already lagging in mains prep.

    My ideal job would be something i am really good at or enjoy doing it. A kind of job for which I would be very happy to wake up early in the morning and eager to go to office. Social recognition and pride mean nothing for me. I just want to be happy.
    Part of being a winner is knowing when enough is enough. Sometimes you have to give up the fight and walk away, and move on to something that's more productive.

  • My preference:

    IFS>IRS(IT)>IAAS>ICLS>Rest haven't thought yet. Will refer to choice list of IRS first preference guys
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  • My preference:

    IFS>IRS(IT)>IAAS>ICLS>Rest haven't thought yet. Will refer to choice list of IRS first preference guys

    https://www.quora.com/Why-did-you-choose-IRS-over-IAS/answer/Shreshth-Tayal?share=53f419f9&srid=iNAal
  • dpagarwal said:

    My preference:

    IFS>IRS(IT)>IAAS>ICLS>Rest haven't thought yet. Will refer to choice list of IRS first preference guys

    https://www.quora.com/Why-did-you-choose-IRS-over-IAS/answer/Shreshth-Tayal?share=53f419f9&srid=iNAal
    I have followed this guy's answers for a long time but frankly he is a veritable genius, his career background was perfect for IRS. I dont have half the CV of this guy to offer, so I cannot justify my choice as strongly as him. Also he put rather random service choices because he was sure of IRS and wouldn't have joined Civil Service if he didn't get IRS. So his choices are not a good example for a general person to follow.
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  • Until a few months ago, or maybe a year ago, i used to adore IFS like anything. Swayed away by all the glitz and glamour, i realize that i was naive.

    There's a reason why everyone or most of them opt for IAS.
    IFS has a good share of negatives and it's for people to find it out themselves, because no amount of words can convince those who love IFS, and because nothing convinced me back then. :mrgreen:
  • edited July 2018
    I myself know a diplomat who got the hard edge thrown at him. In 2015 in Belarus where he was serving, an Indian student got into a racist attack and media reported mistakenly that the student had died. A minister called at 2am he was sleeping and didn't pick up the call. Within a month, disciplinary action was taken against him, he was humiliated by his boss (the Ambassador), and sent back to India to the good old Passport office. It was effectively a career ending move and he isn't getting posted in Europe anytime soon. Just an example of how even a small mistake can cost you a career in this service, this kind of harassing is unthinkable for a IAS or IPS. I will still put IFS first but the job isn't half as rosy as many make it out to be.
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  • I myself know a diplomat who got the hard edge thrown at him. In 2015 in Belarus where he was serving, an Indian student got into a racist attack. A minister called at 2am he was sleeping and didn't pick up the call. Within a month, disciplinary action was taken against him, he was humiliated by his boss (the Ambassador), and sent back to India to the good old Passport office. It was effectively a career ending move and he isn't getting posted in Europe anytime soon. Just an example of how even a small mistake can cost you a career in this service, this kind of harassing is unthinkable for a IAS or IPS. I will still put IFS first but the job isn't half as rosy as many make it out to be.

    what about the pay? do you think 3 to 5 thousand USD is enough to survive in france and germany for the post you hold and for the work you do and for the kind of social engagements you are expected to carry out? :mrgreen:
  • MissRoot said:

    I myself know a diplomat who got the hard edge thrown at him. In 2015 in Belarus where he was serving, an Indian student got into a racist attack. A minister called at 2am he was sleeping and didn't pick up the call. Within a month, disciplinary action was taken against him, he was humiliated by his boss (the Ambassador), and sent back to India to the good old Passport office. It was effectively a career ending move and he isn't getting posted in Europe anytime soon. Just an example of how even a small mistake can cost you a career in this service, this kind of harassing is unthinkable for a IAS or IPS. I will still put IFS first but the job isn't half as rosy as many make it out to be.

    what about the pay? do you think 3 to 5 thousand USD is enough to survive in france and germany for the post you hold and for the work you do and for the kind of social engagements you are expected to carry out? :mrgreen:
    More than sufficient. Pay and comforts aren't the factor. You have nothing to pay actually, you get a great house, servants, petrol allowance, even a luxury car after you reach Ambassador level. Plus all your income is tax free. But the problem is you won't get posted at France or Germany that easily. Very few make it there, and once there your every move is under media Spotlight. It's a very hard life, unlike celebrities you can't throw any negative stunts or your money is gone and you are getting sent back to Delhi's passport office at 80k salary for many years.
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  • MissRoot said:

    Until a few months ago, or maybe a year ago, i used to adore IFS like anything. Swayed away by all the glitz and glamour, i realize that i was naive.

    There's a reason why everyone or most of them opt for IAS.
    IFS has a good share of negatives and it's for people to find it out themselves, because no amount of words can convince those who love IFS, and because nothing convinced me back then. :mrgreen:

    could you please elaborate ...it would help in informed choice apart from regular negatives of ifs like spouse and family etc
    You wouldn't like me when i'm angry Because I always back up my rage with facts and documented sources. |Philosophy|
  • MissRoot said:

    I myself know a diplomat who got the hard edge thrown at him. In 2015 in Belarus where he was serving, an Indian student got into a racist attack. A minister called at 2am he was sleeping and didn't pick up the call. Within a month, disciplinary action was taken against him, he was humiliated by his boss (the Ambassador), and sent back to India to the good old Passport office. It was effectively a career ending move and he isn't getting posted in Europe anytime soon. Just an example of how even a small mistake can cost you a career in this service, this kind of harassing is unthinkable for a IAS or IPS. I will still put IFS first but the job isn't half as rosy as many make it out to be.

    what about the pay? do you think 3 to 5 thousand USD is enough to survive in france and germany for the post you hold and for the work you do and for the kind of social engagements you are expected to carry out? :mrgreen:
    More than sufficient. Pay and comforts aren't the factor. You have nothing to pay actually, you get a great house, servants, petrol allowance, even a luxury car after you reach Ambassador level. Plus all your income is tax free. But the problem is you won't get posted at France or Germany that easily. Very few make it there, and once there your every move is under media Spotlight. It's a very hard life, unlike celebrities you can't throw any negative stunts or your money is gone and you are getting sent back to Delhi's passport office at 80k salary for many years.
    Lol, bro. You are very likely to end up in Germany or France for CFL as a third secretary and second secretary after that. Salary would be roughly between 1.8 to 2.5L including all the allowances and grants.

    Ambassador is faaaar away like at least 20 years down the lane. That is a whole different life. Infact that is one of the best parts of IFS.

    But when you join the service, you'll have a decent house, some kind of apartment. I mean fine, no luxury like a SP or DM Bungalow, but fine you will still have a decent house, be it in Delhi or Abroad. Many are okay with that trade - off.

    But no personal vehicle, be it in India or Abroad. You'll have to buy one for yourself abroad. You'll get a vehicle from the office on a sharing and need to go basis.
    Until you reach the position of Director / Joint Secretary, do not expect a personal vehicle in India.

    Children's education and medical expenses are covered for the dependents like other services too.

    And no lol, you are not sent to RPOs that often, maybe once in a career. And don't expect a RPO posting once you move above Deputy secretary.

    You can't throw negative stunts as a civil servant, be it in IFS or IAS. That's a no brainer.

    There are other "Real" problems that most aren't aware about, i hope hear it from your friend one day. :relaxed:
  • MissRoot said:

    I myself know a diplomat who got the hard edge thrown at him. In 2015 in Belarus where he was serving, an Indian student got into a racist attack. A minister called at 2am he was sleeping and didn't pick up the call. Within a month, disciplinary action was taken against him, he was humiliated by his boss (the Ambassador), and sent back to India to the good old Passport office. It was effectively a career ending move and he isn't getting posted in Europe anytime soon. Just an example of how even a small mistake can cost you a career in this service, this kind of harassing is unthinkable for a IAS or IPS. I will still put IFS first but the job isn't half as rosy as many make it out to be.

    what about the pay? do you think 3 to 5 thousand USD is enough to survive in france and germany for the post you hold and for the work you do and for the kind of social engagements you are expected to carry out? :mrgreen:
    More than sufficient. Pay and comforts aren't the factor. You have nothing to pay actually, you get a great house, servants, petrol allowance, even a luxury car after you reach Ambassador level. Plus all your income is tax free. But the problem is you won't get posted at France or Germany that easily. Very few make it there, and once there your every move is under media Spotlight. It's a very hard life, unlike celebrities you can't throw any negative stunts or your money is gone and you are getting sent back to Delhi's passport office at 80k salary for many years.
    I pains me to see that even after 70 years of independence, the colonial mentality still hasnt left us. People still feel proud to "own servants" even after clearing government exams. What a shame and pity!
    The truth is all I seek...
  • MissRoot said:

    I myself know a diplomat who got the hard edge thrown at him. In 2015 in Belarus where he was serving, an Indian student got into a racist attack. A minister called at 2am he was sleeping and didn't pick up the call. Within a month, disciplinary action was taken against him, he was humiliated by his boss (the Ambassador), and sent back to India to the good old Passport office. It was effectively a career ending move and he isn't getting posted in Europe anytime soon. Just an example of how even a small mistake can cost you a career in this service, this kind of harassing is unthinkable for a IAS or IPS. I will still put IFS first but the job isn't half as rosy as many make it out to be.

    what about the pay? do you think 3 to 5 thousand USD is enough to survive in france and germany for the post you hold and for the work you do and for the kind of social engagements you are expected to carry out? :mrgreen:
    More than sufficient. Pay and comforts aren't the factor. You have nothing to pay actually, you get a great house, servants, petrol allowance, even a luxury car after you reach Ambassador level. Plus all your income is tax free. But the problem is you won't get posted at France or Germany that easily. Very few make it there, and once there your every move is under media Spotlight. It's a very hard life, unlike celebrities you can't throw any negative stunts or your money is gone and you are getting sent back to Delhi's passport office at 80k salary for many years.
    I pains me to see that even after 70 years of independence, the colonial mentality still hasnt left us. People still feel proud to "own servants" even after clearing government exams. What a shame and pity!
    I will leave you to wallow in your pity then, since you don't realise how the administration itself is born out of the colonial framework. Also there's nothing bad about being a servant, even the person clearing the exam is going to be a government servant only.

    Hope you can buy a painkiller real soon.
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  • edited July 2018

    MissRoot said:

    I myself know a diplomat who got the hard edge thrown at him. In 2015 in Belarus where he was serving, an Indian student got into a racist attack. A minister called at 2am he was sleeping and didn't pick up the call. Within a month, disciplinary action was taken against him, he was humiliated by his boss (the Ambassador), and sent back to India to the good old Passport office. It was effectively a career ending move and he isn't getting posted in Europe anytime soon. Just an example of how even a small mistake can cost you a career in this service, this kind of harassing is unthinkable for a IAS or IPS. I will still put IFS first but the job isn't half as rosy as many make it out to be.

    what about the pay? do you think 3 to 5 thousand USD is enough to survive in france and germany for the post you hold and for the work you do and for the kind of social engagements you are expected to carry out? :mrgreen:
    More than sufficient. Pay and comforts aren't the factor. You have nothing to pay actually, you get a great house, servants, petrol allowance, even a luxury car after you reach Ambassador level. Plus all your income is tax free. But the problem is you won't get posted at France or Germany that easily. Very few make it there, and once there your every move is under media Spotlight. It's a very hard life, unlike celebrities you can't throw any negative stunts or your money is gone and you are getting sent back to Delhi's passport office at 80k salary for many years.
    I pains me to see that even after 70 years of independence, the colonial mentality still hasnt left us. People still feel proud to "own servants" even after clearing government exams. What a shame and pity!
    I will leave you to wallow in your pity then, since you don't realise how the administration itself is born out of the colonial framework. Also there's nothing bad about being a servant, even the person clearing the exam is going to be a government servant only.

    Hope you can buy a painkiller real soon.
    Lol. Your replies reek of hypocrisy. The profile picture you have and the signature you put a few days back about humanism. And then, you still dont have the decency to use words which have some amount of respect of human dignity. You are comparing a government servant to a "personal servant of a hypocrite babu". You really need a 101 on socialism!
    The truth is all I seek...
  • edited July 2018

    MissRoot said:

    I myself know a diplomat who got the hard edge thrown at him. In 2015 in Belarus where he was serving, an Indian student got into a racist attack. A minister called at 2am he was sleeping and didn't pick up the call. Within a month, disciplinary action was taken against him, he was humiliated by his boss (the Ambassador), and sent back to India to the good old Passport office. It was effectively a career ending move and he isn't getting posted in Europe anytime soon. Just an example of how even a small mistake can cost you a career in this service, this kind of harassing is unthinkable for a IAS or IPS. I will still put IFS first but the job isn't half as rosy as many make it out to be.

    what about the pay? do you think 3 to 5 thousand USD is enough to survive in france and germany for the post you hold and for the work you do and for the kind of social engagements you are expected to carry out? :mrgreen:
    More than sufficient. Pay and comforts aren't the factor. You have nothing to pay actually, you get a great house, servants, petrol allowance, even a luxury car after you reach Ambassador level. Plus all your income is tax free. But the problem is you won't get posted at France or Germany that easily. Very few make it there, and once there your every move is under media Spotlight. It's a very hard life, unlike celebrities you can't throw any negative stunts or your money is gone and you are getting sent back to Delhi's passport office at 80k salary for many years.
    I pains me to see that even after 70 years of independence, the colonial mentality still hasnt left us. People still feel proud to "own servants" even after clearing government exams. What a shame and pity!
    I will leave you to wallow in your pity then, since you don't realise how the administration itself is born out of the colonial framework. Also there's nothing bad about being a servant, even the person clearing the exam is going to be a government servant only.

    Hope you can buy a painkiller real soon.
    Lol. Your replies reek of hypocrisy. The profile picture you have and the signature you put a few days back about humanism. And then, you still dont have the decency to use words which have some amount of respect to human dignity. You are comparing a government servant to a "personal servant of a hypocrite babu". You really need a 101 on socialism!
    1. Respect is earned, not given. You may do well in earning the reverse though with your stalking skills.

    2. The only way 'servant' is a disrespectful word is if you come from a background where 'servants' are looked down upon. Servants are doing a job just like you and they get paid for it. That is the human dignity, to accord the dignity of work, there's nothing shameful in being a servant and a government servant is expected to be a servant too. The Babu culture is bred exactly from this line of thinking where 'servants' are equated to something bad.

    3. You need not preach me Socialism. I think you need a painkiller, a place to hide your face when you feel suddenly ashamed online, and a mug to drown your pity in.

    Have a good day looking through more of my profile pictures.
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  • MissRoot said:

    I myself know a diplomat who got the hard edge thrown at him. In 2015 in Belarus where he was serving, an Indian student got into a racist attack. A minister called at 2am he was sleeping and didn't pick up the call. Within a month, disciplinary action was taken against him, he was humiliated by his boss (the Ambassador), and sent back to India to the good old Passport office. It was effectively a career ending move and he isn't getting posted in Europe anytime soon. Just an example of how even a small mistake can cost you a career in this service, this kind of harassing is unthinkable for a IAS or IPS. I will still put IFS first but the job isn't half as rosy as many make it out to be.

    what about the pay? do you think 3 to 5 thousand USD is enough to survive in france and germany for the post you hold and for the work you do and for the kind of social engagements you are expected to carry out? :mrgreen:
    More than sufficient. Pay and comforts aren't the factor. You have nothing to pay actually, you get a great house, servants, petrol allowance, even a luxury car after you reach Ambassador level. Plus all your income is tax free. But the problem is you won't get posted at France or Germany that easily. Very few make it there, and once there your every move is under media Spotlight. It's a very hard life, unlike celebrities you can't throw any negative stunts or your money is gone and you are getting sent back to Delhi's passport office at 80k salary for many years.
    I pains me to see that even after 70 years of independence, the colonial mentality still hasnt left us. People still feel proud to "own servants" even after clearing government exams. What a shame and pity!
    I will leave you to wallow in your pity then, since you don't realise how the administration itself is born out of the colonial framework. Also there's nothing bad about being a servant, even the person clearing the exam is going to be a government servant only.

    Hope you can buy a painkiller real soon.
    Lol. Your replies reek of hypocrisy. The profile picture you have and the signature you put a few days back about humanism. And then, you still dont have the decency to use words which have some amount of respect to human dignity. You are comparing a government servant to a "personal servant of a hypocrite babu". You really need a 101 on socialism!
    1. Respect is earned, not given. You may do well in earning the reverse though with your stalking skills.

    2. The only way 'servant' is a disrespect is if you come from a background where 'servants' are looked down upon. Servants are doing a job just like you and they get paid for it. That is the human dignity, to accord the dignity of work, there's nothing shameful in being a servant and a government servant is expected to be a servant too. The Babu culture is bred exactly from this line of thinking where 'servants' are equated to something bad.

    3. You need not preach me Socialism. I think you need a painkiller, a place to hide your face when you feel suddenly ashamed online, and a mug to drown your pity in.

    Have a good day looking through more of my profile pictures.
    Now you are justifying your words when you have been caught with your pants down is it? Well, say whatever you may, but you cant feign your utter ignorance and the feeling of elitism behind a veil of empty words. Thanks to people like you, the colonialists were able to rule us by making us feel that "they are doing us a favour". You come from the same breed, who thought that Britishers are actually making us "saner". I am sure, you will not even blink an eyelid to sell your morals and your nation in exchange of "servants and a luxurious lifestyle". This is preposterous. You dont even care to apologize. Instead you are trying to justify your putrid words which you made for another fellow compatriot.
    The truth is all I seek...
  • edited July 2018

    MissRoot said:

    I myself know a diplomat who got the hard edge thrown at him. In 2015 in Belarus where he was serving, an Indian student got into a racist attack. A minister called at 2am he was sleeping and didn't pick up the call. Within a month, disciplinary action was taken against him, he was humiliated by his boss (the Ambassador), and sent back to India to the good old Passport office. It was effectively a career ending move and he isn't getting posted in Europe anytime soon. Just an example of how even a small mistake can cost you a career in this service, this kind of harassing is unthinkable for a IAS or IPS. I will still put IFS first but the job isn't half as rosy as many make it out to be.

    what about the pay? do you think 3 to 5 thousand USD is enough to survive in france and germany for the post you hold and for the work you do and for the kind of social engagements you are expected to carry out? :mrgreen:
    More than sufficient. Pay and comforts aren't the factor. You have nothing to pay actually, you get a great house, servants, petrol allowance, even a luxury car after you reach Ambassador level. Plus all your income is tax free. But the problem is you won't get posted at France or Germany that easily. Very few make it there, and once there your every move is under media Spotlight. It's a very hard life, unlike celebrities you can't throw any negative stunts or your money is gone and you are getting sent back to Delhi's passport office at 80k salary for many years.
    I pains me to see that even after 70 years of independence, the colonial mentality still hasnt left us. People still feel proud to "own servants" even after clearing government exams. What a shame and pity!
    I will leave you to wallow in your pity then, since you don't realise how the administration itself is born out of the colonial framework. Also there's nothing bad about being a servant, even the person clearing the exam is going to be a government servant only.

    Hope you can buy a painkiller real soon.
    Lol. Your replies reek of hypocrisy. The profile picture you have and the signature you put a few days back about humanism. And then, you still dont have the decency to use words which have some amount of respect to human dignity. You are comparing a government servant to a "personal servant of a hypocrite babu". You really need a 101 on socialism!
    1. Respect is earned, not given. You may do well in earning the reverse though with your stalking skills.

    2. The only way 'servant' is a disrespect is if you come from a background where 'servants' are looked down upon. Servants are doing a job just like you and they get paid for it. That is the human dignity, to accord the dignity of work, there's nothing shameful in being a servant and a government servant is expected to be a servant too. The Babu culture is bred exactly from this line of thinking where 'servants' are equated to something bad.

    3. You need not preach me Socialism. I think you need a painkiller, a place to hide your face when you feel suddenly ashamed online, and a mug to drown your pity in.

    Have a good day looking through more of my profile pictures.
    Now you are justifying your words when you have been caught with your pants down is it? Well, say whatever you may, but you cant feign your utter ignorance and the feeling of elitism behind a veil of empty words. Thanks to people like you, the colonialists were able to rule us by making us feel that "they are doing us a favour". You come from the same breed, who thought that Britishers are actually making us "saner". I am sure, you will not even blink an eyelid to sell your morals and your nation in exchange of "servants and a luxurious lifestyle". This is preposterous. You dont even care to apologize. Instead you are trying to justify your putrid words which you made for another fellow compatriot.
    1. There is no such word as 'Britisher', the word is 'British' or 'English' or 'Scottish' or whatever. Thanks to people like you there are preposterous words floating around on the internet.

    2. I think they could do you a lot of favour by getting you into some hardcore course on rationalism.

    3. Thanks for the compliment, but I think I will need to blink two eyelids on that scenario for your words to hold any biological sense.

    4. I could ask you to apologize, but I understand that'd ruin the sport.
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  • The mandate of group is something else , please respect and contribute postively , other comments will be deleted
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  • The mandate of group is something else , please respect and contribute postively , other comments will be deleted

    Hopefully they will be deleted, starting from the inane attack upon me by an uninvited person with nothing relevant to say.
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  • The mandate of group is something else , please respect and contribute postively , other comments will be deleted

    Hopefully they will be deleted, starting from the inane attack upon me by an uninvited person with nothing relevant to say.
    Lol. there is a saying in hindi, which I am sure wont go through your latin nut sized brain of yours:- ulta chor kotwal ko daante. You are being a perfect example of that. I rest my case.
    The truth is all I seek...
  • The mandate of group is something else , please respect and contribute postively , other comments will be deleted

    Hopefully they will be deleted, starting from the inane attack upon me by an uninvited person with nothing relevant to say.
    Lol. there is a saying in hindi, which I am sure wont go through your latin nut sized brain of yours:- ulta chor kotwal ko daante. You are being a perfect example of that. I rest my case.
    I didn't understand what it means. But I have a similar story to tell, "'Gadha pitiye ghora kora jayna'". I hope the case you just rested remains brief.
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