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What is justice?

Is it our sense of (expectation of) what we deserve, in which case it becomes a very subjective notion? Or is it ensuring of minimum rights, holding on to a promise, as a contract - social or commercial?

I think it stems from our sense of what we deserve. But the subjectivity in it needs to be removed through common agreement on minimum rights. In our polity, the constitution provides the common reference point for minimum rights on three principal counts - social, economic and political. These are more specifically defined in terms of protection against social discrimination, equitous income for labour, and equal universal suffrage.

How sufficient is the definition of justice when counted on socio-poltical-economic ground as exhaustive criteria? What is your view on justice?

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  • An eye for an eye might make the world blind. But it is true justice.

    There is a reason why minorities still face violence inspite of strict laws. The laws are rarely implemented and perpetrators of violence get away easily.

    A fine example would be acquital of goons of Ranvir Sena who massacred innocent dalits.

    If an upper caste mob lynches a dalit or a muslim. They shoulf be lynched as well. This will instill fear in the hearts of others who want to commit such acts.

    This is the reason why Islamic countries with sharia law have low crime rates. People think sharia is inhumane. It is probably. But it works.
  • Is it our sense of (expectation of) what we deserve, in which case it becomes a very subjective notion? Or is it ensuring of minimum rights, holding on to a promise, as a contract - social or commercial?

    I think it stems from our sense of what we deserve. But the subjectivity in it needs to be removed through common agreement on minimum rights. In our polity, the constitution provides the common reference point for minimum rights on three principal counts - social, economic and political. These are more specifically defined in terms of protection against social discrimination, equitous income for labour, and equal universal suffrage.

    How sufficient is the definition of justice when counted on socio-poltical-economic ground as exhaustive criteria? What is your view on justice?

    From where such expectation comes from? When an individual compares it with other individuals. Lets take an hypothetical society- which is isolated from rest of the world. In that society there exists a system to punish the law bbreakers. Now any person who breaks the law will be punished the same way i.e 100 hunters on his ass. There is no discrimination- even the law authority or king, if commits anything which is punishable is punished. Here nobody will desire justice as everyone is getting d same treatment.
    Now lets assume after few centuries in the same society- relative of king are only punished with 10 hunters - now the question will come in the minds of those who have to suffer 100 hunter beating. Now he can compare- so this justice- i.e equal treatment question will come in his mind.
    So yes it is our expectation- but it also based on real life experience. An action has to happen and there has to be variation in actions so one can compare them. This comparison is the genesis on justice.

    PS- this is my theory. U r free to disagree. :)
  • edited April 1
    shivajii said:

    An eye for an eye might make the world blind. But it is true justice.

    There is a reason why minorities still face violence inspite of strict laws. The laws are rarely implemented and perpetrators of violence get away easily.

    A fine example would be acquital of goons of Ranvir Sena who massacred innocent dalits.

    If an upper caste mob lynches a dalit or a muslim. They shoulf be lynched as well. This will instill fear in the hearts of others who want to commit such acts.

    This is the reason why Islamic countries with sharia law have low crime rates. People think sharia is inhumane. It is probably. But it works.

    and what about intolerance of marathi mob beating north indians .....tu chala ja pakistan ya saudia pr yahan rehna hai to km se kam desh ki burai mat kar ....
  • shivajii said:

    An eye for an eye might make the world blind. But it is true justice.

    There is a reason why minorities still face violence inspite of strict laws. The laws are rarely implemented and perpetrators of violence get away easily.

    A fine example would be acquital of goons of Ranvir Sena who massacred innocent dalits.

    If an upper caste mob lynches a dalit or a muslim. They shoulf be lynched as well. This will instill fear in the hearts of others who want to commit such acts.

    This is the reason why Islamic countries with sharia law have low crime rates. People think sharia is inhumane. It is probably. But it works.

    so you are advocating eye for an eye so that minorities can get justice. friend, if eye for an eye becomes the norm, do you think minority in any country will be able to withstand the majority?
  • shivajii said:

    An eye for an eye might make the world blind. But it is true justice.

    There is a reason why minorities still face violence inspite of strict laws. The laws are rarely implemented and perpetrators of violence get away easily.

    A fine example would be acquital of goons of Ranvir Sena who massacred innocent dalits.

    If an upper caste mob lynches a dalit or a muslim. They shoulf be lynched as well. This will instill fear in the hearts of others who want to commit such acts.

    This is the reason why Islamic countries with sharia law have low crime rates. People think sharia is inhumane. It is probably. But it works.

    ranveer sena goons were let off due to corrupt political leadership of lalu. lalu is revered as champion of social justice but still he was unable to bring the murderers to justice despite being the such a powerful chief minister for 15 years.
  • rawls idea of justice
  • idea of justic by amartay sen
  • Ensure no one is victimised

    Make sure offender is punished acc to the Democratic law
  • fcckfk said:

    shivajii said:

    An eye for an eye might make the world blind. But it is true justice.

    There is a reason why minorities still face violence inspite of strict laws. The laws are rarely implemented and perpetrators of violence get away easily.

    A fine example would be acquital of goons of Ranvir Sena who massacred innocent dalits.

    If an upper caste mob lynches a dalit or a muslim. They shoulf be lynched as well. This will instill fear in the hearts of others who want to commit such acts.

    This is the reason why Islamic countries with sharia law have low crime rates. People think sharia is inhumane. It is probably. But it works.

    ranveer sena goons were let off due to corrupt political leadership of lalu. lalu is revered as champion of social justice but still he was unable to bring the murderers to justice despite being the such a powerful chief minister for 15 years.
    Lalu controls the judiciary too?
  • shivajii said:

    fcckfk said:

    shivajii said:

    An eye for an eye might make the world blind. But it is true justice.

    There is a reason why minorities still face violence inspite of strict laws. The laws are rarely implemented and perpetrators of violence get away easily.

    A fine example would be acquital of goons of Ranvir Sena who massacred innocent dalits.

    If an upper caste mob lynches a dalit or a muslim. They shoulf be lynched as well. This will instill fear in the hearts of others who want to commit such acts.

    This is the reason why Islamic countries with sharia law have low crime rates. People think sharia is inhumane. It is probably. But it works.

    ranveer sena goons were let off due to corrupt political leadership of lalu. lalu is revered as champion of social justice but still he was unable to bring the murderers to justice despite being the such a powerful chief minister for 15 years.
    Lalu controls the judiciary too?
    hahaha. judiciary is not to be blamed here friend, its the prosecution and the police. if prosecution and police presents the required evidence then its very difficult for judge to look the other way
  • edited April 2
    shivajii said:

    An eye for an eye might make the world blind. But it is true justice.

    There is a reason why minorities still face violence inspite of strict laws. The laws are rarely implemented and perpetrators of violence get away easily.

    A fine example would be acquital of goons of Ranvir Sena who massacred innocent dalits.

    If an upper caste mob lynches a dalit or a muslim. They shoulf be lynched as well. This will instill fear in the hearts of others who want to commit such acts.

    This is the reason why Islamic countries with sharia law have low crime rates. People think sharia is inhumane. It is probably. But it works.

    That's an interesing take. Taking recourse to extra-judicial ways in a society where judicial system doesn't work, is something that even the administration seems to endorse at times. Recently there was a news of MP police parading men accused of gangrape through the localities, while some bystanders particularly women would beat them along the way or harass in some minor ways. Common sense suggests that those men may have been the culprits as accusations of gang-rape are less likely to be frivolous. But was the pre-judicial treatment just? I think our judicial system is not just, and that has alllowed such extra-judicial tactics to take space vacated by due process. It is not a new thing, but a part of how police has been dealing with anti-social elements in a practical way. Thrash some, warn or threaten at minor deeds. Judicial processes won't deliver. Even the victims many a times would feel satiated at the culprits being harassed, even bribing policemen to give the culprits a sound beating. But it has limits. Judiciary needs reforms. As much as it likes to preach, Judiciary is as dysfunctional as any other organ of the state.
  • edited April 3
    Law and order unimplementation is the cause of resentment among any community
    oppressed class people when see there demand for justice goes unnoticed they fall victim to political sharks

    solution : grant them full assurance of equality (issue is much deeper than reservation ) and social (if possible religious too ) inclusion
    small issue like water/temple/places/road access have murder outcome (or rumor due )
    religious/spritual/rational leaders could come in united for all class (learn from other non-hindu non-indians-origin religion )
    discrimination of any form must end be it rich/poor/ men/women b/w or any
    equal protection of law and justice for all citizen of india

    and with all due respect to less number of seats for general , i still think societal equlity and harmony (if not religious and communal) could be achieved in indian society even if certain percentages of seats in govt. job are booked away for a particular class of people(also theory of creamy layer need to put in accurate practice ,certain poor/orphans/war-widow cud be provided reservation in lieu of those enjoyed by creamy class #TD ) provided that people keep their ego at bay and study history from old NCERT/bipin chandra/upendra singh/rs sharma/ and not from the khap panchayat
    “The road to power is paved with hypocrisy, and casualties. Never regret.”
  • shivajii said:

    An eye for an eye might make the world blind. But it is true justice.

    There is a reason why minorities still face violence inspite of strict laws. The laws are rarely implemented and perpetrators of violence get away easily.

    A fine example would be acquital of goons of Ranvir Sena who massacred innocent dalits.

    If an upper caste mob lynches a dalit or a muslim. They shoulf be lynched as well. This will instill fear in the hearts of others who want to commit such acts.

    This is the reason why Islamic countries with sharia law have low crime rates. People think sharia is inhumane. It is probably. But it works.

    Hehe...UPSC chhod do...Tu CPI(Maoist) join kar lo...You are a perfect material for Naxalites.

    Waise bhi CRPF ne CPI ke cadre strength ki maa behan kar di hai. Waha bohot vacancy hai. :trollface:
    It's time to move on. I have accepted the defeat. It's better to avoid this rat race rather than keep fighting in a already lost battle.
  • Do watch Justice by Michael Sandel, a Harvard professor.
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