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DMK leader MK Stalin says he hopes southern states come together to demand separate Dravidanadu

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  • Wait.. its pressure tactic. Don't read it too 'literally'. (AIADMK is cozying up with National party too much, and thus DMK want to take up regional demand)

    But the fact is, there are various issues which are affecting centre-state relation these days, and it's going against 'southern' state. It is a Fact!! Issues mostly related to linguistic and financial domains.

    If Union govt is sincere enough to accept various recommendations of Punchhi Commissions and other such bodies, most issues would be resolved. But alas, we don't have any strong visionary leader currently.

    I personally welcome pressure from state units so that we can have strong states which would only lead to strong nation and with equitable growth and welfare.
    Its time to make centre-state relation more balanced.

    Attaching few snapshot, would recommend to read.
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  • Wait.. its pressure tactic. Don't read it too 'literally'. (AIADMK is cozying up with National party too much, and thus DMK want to take up regional demand)

    But the fact is, there are various issues which are affecting centre-state relation these days, and it's going against 'southern' state. It is a Fact!! Issues mostly related to linguistic and financial domains.

    If Union govt is sincere enough to accept various recommendations of Punchhi Commissions and other such bodies, most issues would be resolved. But alas, we don't have any strong visionary leader currently.

    I personally welcome pressure from state units so that we can have strong states which would only lead to strong nation and with equitable growth and welfare.
    Its time to make centre-state relation more balanced.

    Attaching few snapshot, would recommend to read.

    If it's a political gimmick. Then I am disappointed.

    What these South Indian politicians have been saying is true. North India is exploiting western and southern India.

    North Indian politicians and bureacrafts are treating rest of India as their fiefdom.
  • Although partly agree with you, but I'll rather term it Centre-State issue rather than North-South. (to illustrate, say if BJP forms a govt. in Karnataka then this state won't feel biasness at all, isn't it? ) and eastern states like Odisha (Mahanadi issue), West Bengal, and N-E also used to get affected.

    And it's not the fault of North India as such,rather some flaws in various Institutions and the Un-Even representation of states in the Union Legislature and thus in government which affects it.

    If you go through Punchhi recommendation, you will find how logically it talks about reform of Council of States, and why interest of states must be represented in the Parliament.

    The most critical institution Finance commission gets it ToR without due consultation with all stakeholders, i. e. no states get asked about their issues before forming the ToR.
    Our Trade Policy gets finalized without due consultation with affected states etc etc. (read those attached snapshots, they have articulated so well)

    Same is the case with institutions like EC (remember various controversy like postponing schedule of election in Gujrat etc etc) this so important institution doesn't have any share of even Parliament, forget about States voice.

    And then the most infamous institution of Governor which is so flawed in present state.

    So reforming these issues is of utmost importance in my view. Pressure from South india is so much important for this!!
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    Sad to see such issues propping up from the head of established political party just to have the lion’s share (including illegal) in the country’s economy. Even worrying is the way its getting passive support from aspirants wanting to be the future civil servants of our country who would be bound to protect the unity and integrity of our nation.
    The core of the issue lies in lack of representation in ministry at central government from the so called Dravidnadu states. In crude terms their source of income (illegal) by becoming a minister in central government has ceased to exists due to which they(politicians) are venting their anger by raising the above issues.

    Directly coming to the point Mr. Stalin and siddaramaiah wants more funds and autonomy from the centre. Going by the same logic Mr. Stalin should present a white paper on financial devaluation to their own local governments before giving a lecture to the centre. Mr. S should highlight “how empowered their own local bodies are” which was clearly seen during Chennai floods.
    The tribes of TN, Kerala,Karnataka are demanding autonomy for a very long time. Why don’t these leaders give them more autonomy in the form of scheduled area, if they demand the same from the centre?

    Regarding formation of dravidnadu why to include kerala in financially sound states. Will Mr.S exclude the malyalese as they contribute relatively less to the central kitty as we all know the role of remittances in the state.
    Mr. Siddaramiya says that the constitution has stood the test of time so they can have their own flag etc. But its interesting to see that their leaders in delhi always raise the issue of “constitution in danger & undeclared emergency in the country”.If such demands gets political backing from the centre then the wishlist cannot be fulfilled in the near future. Therefore a strong centre is required to curtail such illegitimate demands as was done in 2013 when centre denied minority status to lingayats.

    Mr S questions the authenticity of finance commissions on question of “freebies” as the decision is taken by so called elected representatives. If we follow the same logic then we should support legislations and laws struck down by Supreme court(Sec 66A of IT Act, NJAC .....the list can go on)as such laws are made by elected representative and unelected members of SC should have no right to interfere in it.

    The issue of failure of northern states in controlling the population can be discussed at length but does it mean that the people should suffer due to it. Mr S says that they pay more taxes and in a way subsidises people of north. If we apply the same logic then the rich should also demand more benefits from the government and subsidies to the poor should be stopped completely. Further, we should also abolish constitutional provision in the form of affirmative action for the weak and downtrodden sections of the society as their contribution in the tax kitty is relatively less.

    Mr. S alleged that they get tied funds from the centre and states have no say in foreign trade policy but on the contrary Fourteen Finance commission has enhanced devaluation of untied funds to states which may further increase in 15th FC report. In the new foreign trade policy states were promoted to have their own trade policy and bring investment from the global markets. Is it not real?

    Cutting my argument short we can say that differences would remain in multicultural country like india but it does not mean that one should go to an extent of demanding separate land just to capture the power.
    By the way how the foreign relationship of so called dravidnadu states will be vis-a-vis Srilanka will be interesting to see where the leaders of TN demands attacking the Srilankan navy when they create hindrance for the fisherman.

    Summing up, all such issues will die down once a coalition government forms at centre where the same politicians will be ready to go to any extent to get a ministerial berth as has been happening for last 2 decades.
  • dolby said:

    By Siddaramaiah
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    Sad to see such issues propping up from the head of established political party just to have the lion’s share (including illegal) in the country’s economy. Even worrying is the way its getting passive support from aspirants wanting to be the future civil servants of our country who would be bound to protect the unity and integrity of our nation.
    The core of the issue lies in lack of representation in ministry at central government from the so called Dravidnadu states. In crude terms their source of income (illegal) by becoming a minister in central government has ceased to exists due to which they(politicians) are venting their anger by raising the above issues.

    Directly coming to the point Mr. Stalin and siddaramaiah wants more funds and autonomy from the centre. Going by the same logic Mr. Stalin should present a white paper on financial devaluation to their own local governments before giving a lecture to the centre. Mr. S should highlight “how empowered their own local bodies are” which was clearly seen during Chennai floods.
    The tribes of TN, Kerala,Karnataka are demanding autonomy for a very long time. Why don’t these leaders give them more autonomy in the form of scheduled area, if they demand the same from the centre?

    Regarding formation of dravidnadu why to include kerala in financially sound states. Will Mr.S exclude the malyalese as they contribute relatively less to the central kitty as we all know the role of remittances in the state.
    Mr. Siddaramiya says that the constitution has stood the test of time so they can have their own flag etc. But its interesting to see that their leaders in delhi always raise the issue of “constitution in danger & undeclared emergency in the country”.If such demands gets political backing from the centre then the wishlist cannot be fulfilled in the near future. Therefore a strong centre is required to curtail such illegitimate demands as was done in 2013 when centre denied minority status to lingayats.

    Mr S questions the authenticity of finance commissions on question of “freebies” as the decision is taken by so called elected representatives. If we follow the same logic then we should support legislations and laws struck down by Supreme court(Sec 66A of IT Act, NJAC .....the list can go on)as such laws are made by elected representative and unelected members of SC should have no right to interfere in it.

    The issue of failure of northern states in controlling the population can be discussed at length but does it mean that the people should suffer due to it. Mr S says that they pay more taxes and in a way subsidises people of north. If we apply the same logic then the rich should also demand more benefits from the government and subsidies to the poor should be stopped completely. Further, we should also abolish constitutional provision in the form of affirmative action for the weak and downtrodden sections of the society as their contribution in the tax kitty is relatively less.

    Mr. S alleged that they get tied funds from the centre and states have no say in foreign trade policy but on the contrary Fourteen Finance commission has enhanced devaluation of untied funds to states which may further increase in 15th FC report. In the new foreign trade policy states were promoted to have their own trade policy and bring investment from the global markets. Is it not real?

    Cutting my argument short we can say that differences would remain in multicultural country like india but it does not mean that one should go to an extent of demanding separate land just to capture the power.
    By the way how the foreign relationship of so called dravidnadu states will be vis-a-vis Srilanka will be interesting to see where the leaders of TN demands attacking the Srilankan navy when they create hindrance for the fisherman.

    Summing up, all such issues will die down once a coalition government forms at centre where the same politicians will be ready to go to any extent to get a ministerial berth as has been happening for last 2 decades.
    Good arguments nd logic bhai.
  • I see a catalonia in India. It will be inevitable if this continues. We are confined by a binary kind of thought either states-0 centre-1 or states-1 centre-0 ; we are not allowed to think like states-1 centre-1. This idea that stronger states propel secession and will lead to a weak centre is futile now when everyone is proud of their Indian identity.
    To be factually correct, this idea of united India was based on cultular similarity and emotional attachment. An indestructible union of states should not feel threatened by state's autonomy.
    For the devolution part, the very idea of centre playing a big brother is not federal in its approach. Why not reverse the system like every state has to mandatorily give some 20-30% based on their revenue and some rich states paying a little extra sum on the lines of CSR will lead to states like Bihar and UP better analysing their funds and concentrating on increasing revenue instead of speaking crap like Ram Mandir and Gaushalas.

    The reality is politicians everywhere are finally politicians. There is no one now who looks at the actual position and corrects the faults. We know the political refugee camp called Raj bhavan in every state what is the use of it other than during president's rule?
    If Bihar is still loving Lalu, we can't say anything about the future.
  • dolby said:

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    Sad to see such issues propping up from the head of established political party just to have the lion’s share (including illegal) in the country’s economy. Even worrying is the way its getting passive support from aspirants wanting to be the future civil servants of our country who would be bound to protect the unity and integrity of our nation.
    The core of the issue lies in lack of representation in ministry at central government from the so called Dravidnadu states. In crude terms their source of income (illegal) by becoming a minister in central government has ceased to exists due to which they(politicians) are venting their anger by raising the above issues.

    {.......}

    Mr S questions the authenticity of finance commissions on question of “freebies” as the decision is taken by so called elected representatives. If we follow the same logic then we should support legislations and laws struck down by Supreme court(Sec 66A of IT Act, NJAC .....the list can go on)as such laws are made by elected representative and unelected members of SC should have no right to interfere in it.

    The issue of failure of northern states in controlling the population can be discussed at length but does it mean that the people should suffer due to it. Mr S says that they pay more taxes and in a way subsidises people of north. If we apply the same logic then the rich should also demand more benefits from the government and subsidies to the poor should be stopped completely. Further, we should also abolish constitutional provision in the form of affirmative action for the weak and downtrodden sections of the society as their contribution in the tax kitty is relatively less.

    Mr. S alleged that they get tied funds from the centre and states have no say in foreign trade policy but on the contrary Fourteen Finance commission has enhanced devaluation of untied funds to states which may further increase in 15th FC report. In the new foreign trade policy states were promoted to have their own trade policy and bring investment from the global markets. Is it not real?

    Cutting my argument short we can say that differences would remain in multicultural country like india but it does not mean that one should go to an extent of demanding separate land just to capture the power.
    By the way how the foreign relationship of so called dravidnadu states will be vis-a-vis Srilanka will be interesting to see where the leaders of TN demands attacking the Srilankan navy when they create hindrance for the fisherman.

    Summing up, all such issues will die down once a coalition government forms at centre where the same politicians will be ready to go to any extent to get a ministerial berth as has been happening for last 2 decades.
    Before starting, I must categorically state I never even gave a space to the anti-constitutional demand of 'Dravidanadu'. Such demands should be punishable if it, even a fractionally, hurts the Unity and Integrity of our Nation. I argued on the line of issues of Center-State, not north-south etc.

    You are sad that such issues of fundamental importance are being voiced by state leaders in a democratic country? How easily you termed the demand of equitable distribution to illegal, Mr. Justice. Your moral-high standing of being worried by passive support is foolish, as neither I supported Dravidanadu demand, nor demanding/debating issues of public interest should worry anyone - there are continuous 'active' support to various demands going on for various issues.

    You are so wrong in identifying the core of issue, that you are accepting being a central minister is a source of illegal income. Do you see political representation in Union Government as a source of illegal income only? then I must slowly clap for your logic. And if it is so, then every state leader should only aspire for that share, no?
    (FYI, State govt also provides opportunity of illegal income, remember Fodder scam?, NHM scam? Coal-scam? or in south Reddy Brothers scam or Solar panel scam? )

    And try not to counter something by whataboutery, it's worst form of argument. Yes I agree, state to local government trasnfer has been worst in all states. But I don't think it should prevent reforming Center to State transfer. On this, I will also suggest you to read a bit which states have better Local Government institution. Kerala, Tamilnadu, and also Nagaland are one of the best states. States can't give 'Schedule Area' tag, its prerogative of Centre government and Parliament.

    I hate again to counter points regarding formation of Dravidanadu(which I never supported), but its laughable that just knowing 'remittances' you ridiculed Kerala's share. It has always been under top6-7 state to contribute Indian GDP and Taxes. Rhetoric doesn't make good argument, bhai.

    Yes, Strong Nation is indeed required, but for that states should also be more strong and autonomous, because neglecting people's legitimate demand is worst way to make strong nation. Everyone loves a strong nation, I hope you too. Giving regional symbol doesn't make a nation weak, US has 50 states and 50 flags and 50 state constitution and 50 state citizenship. And I'm not foolish to compare India to US in this way, but just for the point that 2nd tier government's autonomy doesn't make whole nation weak.

    And your next argument is preposterous to say the least. State Parties fight democratic elections, puts agenda/freebies on their manifesto, people may like that and vote it. Those states should NOT BE PUNISHED for such freebies by terming it populist, because it is being endorsed by citizens. How stupid is the comparison of Judicial Review of a Law which violates Fundamental Right with a democratic decision of how well to spend money for welfare of that state, which is sole prerogative of Executives. Again, time for slow clap.

    Your next para is one of more logical ones. But the thing is if you change 'rule of the game' in such crucial institution of Fiscal Transfer, affected party must feel short-charged. Rule was already set so that Population Growth is not incentivized. And there are other provisions like, I guess Article 275, by which FC can give Grants to support backward states in need of assistance.

    Yes, funds from center should largely be untied only. Every state should be allowed to reconcile centre schemes in its own context, remember India is a very diverse country, same guidelines in a scheme won't work for every state, and their is very high diversity in socio-economic indicators/infrastructure too.

    Customs duty and quantitative limits are under Union List - as they must be- so state trade policy can't help in this.

    Demand of Dravidandu is un-Constitutional. And I feel sorry if you thought I was supporting such demand in my post. My issues is related to imbalance in Federalism.

    And if coalition government helps in satisfying demands of the States (not politicians) I don't find any wrong in it. But such demands are not only for petty political gain, had it not been serious issue we wouldn't have had two High Level Commission (Sarkaria and Punchhi) to recommend measure.

    Btw, I'm from one of the most backward districts in UP, so don't think I'm supporting strong state just for my regional biasness.
  • dolby said:

    By Siddaramaiah
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    Sad to see such issues propping up from the head of established political party just to have the lion’s share (including illegal) in the country’s economy. Even worrying is the way its getting passive support from aspirants wanting to be the future civil servants of our country who would be bound to protect the unity and integrity of our nation.
    The core of the issue lies in lack of representation in ministry at central government from the so called Dravidnadu states. In crude terms their source of income (illegal) by becoming a minister in central government has ceased to exists due to which they(politicians) are venting their anger by raising the above issues.

    {.......}

    Mr S questions the authenticity of finance commissions on question of “freebies” as the decision is taken by so called elected representatives. If we follow the same logic then we should support legislations and laws struck down by Supreme court(Sec 66A of IT Act, NJAC .....the list can go on)as such laws are made by elected representative and unelected members of SC should have no right to interfere in it.

    The issue of failure of northern states in controlling the population can be discussed at length but does it mean that the people should suffer due to it. Mr S says that they pay more taxes and in a way subsidises people of north. If we apply the same logic then the rich should also demand more benefits from the government and subsidies to the poor should be stopped completely. Further, we should also abolish constitutional provision in the form of affirmative action for the weak and downtrodden sections of the society as their contribution in the tax kitty is relatively less.

    Mr. S alleged that they get tied funds from the centre and states have no say in foreign trade policy but on the contrary Fourteen Finance commission has enhanced devaluation of untied funds to states which may further increase in 15th FC report. In the new foreign trade policy states were promoted to have their own trade policy and bring investment from the global markets. Is it not real?

    Cutting my argument short we can say that differences would remain in multicultural country like india but it does not mean that one should go to an extent of demanding separate land just to capture the power.
    By the way how the foreign relationship of so called dravidnadu states will be vis-a-vis Srilanka will be interesting to see where the leaders of TN demands attacking the Srilankan navy when they create hindrance for the fisherman.

    Summing up, all such issues will die down once a coalition government forms at centre where the same politicians will be ready to go to any extent to get a ministerial berth as has been happening for last 2 decades.
    Before starting, I must categorically state I never even gave a space to the anti-constitutional demand of 'Dravidanadu'. Such demands should be punishable if it, even a fractionally, hurts the Unity and Integrity of our Nation. I argued on the line of issues of Center-State, not north-south etc.

    You are sad that such issues of fundamental importance are being voiced by state leaders in a democratic country? How easily you termed the demand of equitable distribution to illegal, Mr. Justice. Your moral-high standing of being worried by passive support is foolish, as neither I supported Dravidanadu demand, nor demanding/debating issues of public interest should worry anyone - there are continuous 'active' support to various demands going on for various issues.

    You are so wrong in identifying the core of issue, that you are accepting being a central minister is a source of illegal income. Do you see political representation in Union Government as a source of illegal income only? then I must slowly clap for your logic. And if it is so, then every state leader should only aspire for that share, no?
    (FYI, State govt also provides opportunity of illegal income, remember Fodder scam?, NHM scam? Coal-scam? or in south Reddy Brothers scam or Solar panel scam? )

    And try not to counter something by whataboutery, it's worst form of argument. Yes I agree, state to local government trasnfer has been worst in all states. But I don't think it should prevent reforming Center to State transfer. On this, I will also suggest you to read a bit which states have better Local Government institution. Kerala, Tamilnadu, and also Nagaland are one of the best states. States can't give 'Schedule Area' tag, its prerogative of Centre government and Parliament.

    I hate again to counter points regarding formation of Dravidanadu(which I never supported), but its laughable that just knowing 'remittances' you ridiculed Kerala's share. It has always been under top6-7 state to contribute Indian GDP and Taxes. Rhetoric doesn't make good argument, bhai.

    Yes, Strong Nation is indeed required, but for that states should also be more strong and autonomous, because neglecting people's legitimate demand is worst way to make strong nation. Everyone loves a strong nation, I hope you too. Giving regional symbol doesn't make a nation weak, US has 50 states and 50 flags and 50 state constitution and 50 state citizenship. And I'm not foolish to compare India to US in this way, but just for the point that 2nd tier government's autonomy doesn't make whole nation weak.

    And your next argument is preposterous to say the least. State Parties fight democratic elections, puts agenda/freebies on their manifesto, people may like that and vote it. Those states should NOT BE PUNISHED for such freebies by terming it populist, because it is being endorsed by citizens. How stupid is the comparison of Judicial Review of a Law which violates Fundamental Right with a democratic decision of how well to spend money for welfare of that state, which is sole prerogative of Executives. Again, time for slow clap.

    Your next para is one of more logical ones. But the thing is if you change 'rule of the game' in such crucial institution of Fiscal Transfer, affected party must feel short-charged. Rule was already set so that Population Growth is not incentivized. And there are other provisions like, I guess Article 275, by which FC can give Grants to support backward states in need of assistance.

    Yes, funds from center should largely be untied only. Every state should be allowed to reconcile centre schemes in its own context, remember India is a very diverse country, same guidelines in a scheme won't work for every state, and their is very high diversity in socio-economic indicators/infrastructure too.

    Customs duty and quantitative limits are under Union List - as they must be- so state trade policy can't help in this.

    Demand of Dravidandu is un-Constitutional. And I feel sorry if you thought I was supporting such demand in my post. My issues is related to imbalance in Federalism.

    And if coalition government helps in satisfying demands of the States (not politicians) I don't find any wrong in it. But such demands are not only for petty political gain, had it not been serious issue we wouldn't have had two High Level Commission (Sarkaria and Punchhi) to recommend measure.

    Btw, I'm from one of the most backward districts in UP, so don't think I'm supporting strong state just for my regional biasness.
    Good counterarguments bhai.

  • edited March 23
    I dnt understnd why 14th FC omitted fiscal discipline as one of criteria for devolution. It encourages efficiency.
    Whereas population( both 1971 and 2011) accounts for 27.5% . Why not reduce populations weightage and increase fiscal disciplines weightage. Which might force the states to act more prudently and efficiently. Also it may to a certain extent counter the argument of southern states subsidising northern states.
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    dolby said:

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    Sad to see such issues propping up from the head of established political party just to have the lion’s share (including illegal) in the country’s economy. Even worrying is the way its getting passive support from aspirants wanting to be the future civil servants of our country who would be bound to protect the unity and integrity of our nation.
    The core of the issue lies in lack of representation in ministry at central government from the so called Dravidnadu states. In crude terms their source of income (illegal) by becoming a minister in central government has ceased to exists due to which they(politicians) are venting their anger by raising the above issues.

    Directly coming to the point Mr. Stalin and siddaramaiah wants more funds and autonomy from the centre. Going by the same logic Mr. Stalin should present a white paper on financial devaluation to their own local governments before giving a lecture to the centre. Mr. S should highlight “how empowered their own local bodies are” which was clearly seen during Chennai floods.
    The tribes of TN, Kerala,Karnataka are demanding autonomy for a very long time. Why don’t these leaders give them more autonomy in the form of scheduled area, if they demand the same from the centre?

    Regarding formation of dravidnadu why to include kerala in financially sound states. Will Mr.S exclude the malyalese as they contribute relatively less to the central kitty as we all know the role of remittances in the state.
    Mr. Siddaramiya says that the constitution has stood the test of time so they can have their own flag etc. But its interesting to see that their leaders in delhi always raise the issue of “constitution in danger & undeclared emergency in the country”.If such demands gets political backing from the centre then the wishlist cannot be fulfilled in the near future. Therefore a strong centre is required to curtail such illegitimate demands as was done in 2013 when centre denied minority status to lingayats.

    Mr S questions the authenticity of finance commissions on question of “freebies” as the decision is taken by so called elected representatives. If we follow the same logic then we should support legislations and laws struck down by Supreme court(Sec 66A of IT Act, NJAC .....the list can go on)as such laws are made by elected representative and unelected members of SC should have no right to interfere in it.

    The issue of failure of northern states in controlling the population can be discussed at length but does it mean that the people should suffer due to it. Mr S says that they pay more taxes and in a way subsidises people of north. If we apply the same logic then the rich should also demand more benefits from the government and subsidies to the poor should be stopped completely. Further, we should also abolish constitutional provision in the form of affirmative action for the weak and downtrodden sections of the society as their contribution in the tax kitty is relatively less.

    Mr. S alleged that they get tied funds from the centre and states have no say in foreign trade policy but on the contrary Fourteen Finance commission has enhanced devaluation of untied funds to states which may further increase in 15th FC report. In the new foreign trade policy states were promoted to have their own trade policy and bring investment from the global markets. Is it not real?

    Cutting my argument short we can say that differences would remain in multicultural country like india but it does not mean that one should go to an extent of demanding separate land just to capture the power.
    By the way how the foreign relationship of so called dravidnadu states will be vis-a-vis Srilanka will be interesting to see where the leaders of TN demands attacking the Srilankan navy when they create hindrance for the fisherman.

    Summing up, all such issues will die down once a coalition government forms at centre where the same politicians will be ready to go to any extent to get a ministerial berth as has been happening for last 2 decades.
    Northern states have failed in all aspects. Not only population control.

    Western and Southern States have developed their region with zero central support.

    On other hand Northern states have failed to do that with all Central support. Even the National Capital Region was developed solely by the Central government.
    It's bring up few important questions. Why are those state governments doing? Why western and southern states need to be penalized for incompetence of Northern Indians? Why is the central government more concerned with the poor people of North than other regions?

    North Indians are doing worse than what west Pakistanis did to East Pakisanis.

    Atleast West Pakistanis did not try to make the Bengalis a minority in their own land.

    But in India, the central government is encouraging North Indian surplus population to migrate western and southern India. I can see how my state Maharashtra is being destroyed by the BIMARU belt people.
    The central govt has forced western and southern states yo bring down their fertility rated. While allowing Hindi belt to breed like rabbits. We are the ones getting penalized for their sins. The below article explains the situation real nice.
    http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/opinion/views/south-indians-fast-becoming-rare-in-south-heres-why/articleshow/51916868.cms
  • shivajii said:

    dolby said:

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    Sad to see such issues propping up from the head of established political party just to have the lion’s share (including illegal) in the country’s economy. Even worrying is the way its getting passive support from aspirants wanting to be the future civil servants of our country who would be bound to protect the unity and integrity of our nation.
    The core of the issue lies in lack of representation in ministry at central government from the so called Dravidnadu states. In crude terms their source of income (illegal) by becoming a minister in central government has ceased to exists due to which they(politicians) are venting their anger by raising the above issues.

    Directly coming to the point Mr. Stalin and siddaramaiah wants more funds and autonomy from the centre. Going by the same logic Mr. Stalin should present a white paper on financial devaluation to their own local governments before giving a lecture to the centre. Mr. S should highlight “how empowered their own local bodies are” which was clearly seen during Chennai floods.
    The tribes of TN, Kerala,Karnataka are demanding autonomy for a very long time. Why don’t these leaders give them more autonomy in the form of scheduled area, if they demand the same from the centre?

    Regarding formation of dravidnadu why to include kerala in financially sound states. Will Mr.S exclude the malyalese as they contribute relatively less to the central kitty as we all know the role of remittances in the state.
    Mr. Siddaramiya says that the constitution has stood the test of time so they can have their own flag etc. But its interesting to see that their leaders in delhi always raise the issue of “constitution in danger & undeclared emergency in the country”.If such demands gets political backing from the centre then the wishlist cannot be fulfilled in the near future. Therefore a strong centre is required to curtail such illegitimate demands as was done in 2013 when centre denied minority status to lingayats.

    Mr S questions the authenticity of finance commissions on question of “freebies” as the decision is taken by so called elected representatives. If we follow the same logic then we should support legislations and laws struck down by Supreme court(Sec 66A of IT Act, NJAC .....the list can go on)as such laws are made by elected representative and unelected members of SC should have no right to interfere in it.

    The issue of failure of northern states in controlling the population can be discussed at length but does it mean that the people should suffer due to it. Mr S says that they pay more taxes and in a way subsidises people of north. If we apply the same logic then the rich should also demand more benefits from the government and subsidies to the poor should be stopped completely. Further, we should also abolish constitutional provision in the form of affirmative action for the weak and downtrodden sections of the society as their contribution in the tax kitty is relatively less.

    Mr. S alleged that they get tied funds from the centre and states have no say in foreign trade policy but on the contrary Fourteen Finance commission has enhanced devaluation of untied funds to states which may further increase in 15th FC report. In the new foreign trade policy states were promoted to have their own trade policy and bring investment from the global markets. Is it not real?

    Cutting my argument short we can say that differences would remain in multicultural country like india but it does not mean that one should go to an extent of demanding separate land just to capture the power.
    By the way how the foreign relationship of so called dravidnadu states will be vis-a-vis Srilanka will be interesting to see where the leaders of TN demands attacking the Srilankan navy when they create hindrance for the fisherman.

    Summing up, all such issues will die down once a coalition government forms at centre where the same politicians will be ready to go to any extent to get a ministerial berth as has been happening for last 2 decades.
    Northern states have failed in all aspects. Not only population control.

    Western and Southern States have developed their region with zero central support.

    On other hand Northern states have failed to do that with all Central support. Even the National Capital Region was developed solely by the Central government.
    It's bring up few important questions. Why are those state governments doing? Why are western and southern states need to be penalized for incompetence of Northern Indians? Why does the central government more concerned with the poor people of North than other regions?

    North Indians are doing worse than what west Pakistanis did to East Pakisanis.

    Atleast West Pakistanis did not try to make the Bengalis a minority in their own land.

    But in India, the central government is encouraging North Indian surplus population to migrate western and southern India. I can see how my state Maharashtra is being destroyed by the BIMARU belt people.
    The central govt has forced western and southern states yo bring down their fertility rated. While allowing Hindi belt to breed like rabbits. We are the ones getting penalized for their sins. The below article explains the situation real nice.
    http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/opinion/views/south-indians-fast-becoming-rare-in-south-heres-why/articleshow/51916868.cms

    "North Indians are doing worse than what west Pakistanis did to East Pakisanis.

    Atleast West Pakistanis did not try to make the Bengalis a minority in their own land."


    good luck for your alternative career
    you are not only unfit for administrative post but also as a citizenry
  • shivajii said:

    dolby said:

    By Siddaramaiah
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    By Stalin

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    Sad to see such issues propping up from the head of established political party just to have the lion’s share (including illegal) in the country’s economy. Even worrying is the way its getting passive support from aspirants wanting to be the future civil servants of our country who would be bound to protect the unity and integrity of our nation.
    The core of the issue lies in lack of representation in ministry at central government from the so called Dravidnadu states. In crude terms their source of income (illegal) by becoming a minister in central government has ceased to exists due to which they(politicians) are venting their anger by raising the above issues.

    Directly coming to the point Mr. Stalin and siddaramaiah wants more funds and autonomy from the centre. Going by the same logic Mr. Stalin should present a white paper on financial devaluation to their own local governments before giving a lecture to the centre. Mr. S should highlight “how empowered their own local bodies are” which was clearly seen during Chennai floods.
    The tribes of TN, Kerala,Karnataka are demanding autonomy for a very long time. Why don’t these leaders give them more autonomy in the form of scheduled area, if they demand the same from the centre?

    Regarding formation of dravidnadu why to include kerala in financially sound states. Will Mr.S exclude the malyalese as they contribute relatively less to the central kitty as we all know the role of remittances in the state.
    Mr. Siddaramiya says that the constitution has stood the test of time so they can have their own flag etc. But its interesting to see that their leaders in delhi always raise the issue of “constitution in danger & undeclared emergency in the country”.If such demands gets political backing from the centre then the wishlist cannot be fulfilled in the near future. Therefore a strong centre is required to curtail such illegitimate demands as was done in 2013 when centre denied minority status to lingayats.

    Mr S questions the authenticity of finance commissions on question of “freebies” as the decision is taken by so called elected representatives. If we follow the same logic then we should support legislations and laws struck down by Supreme court(Sec 66A of IT Act, NJAC .....the list can go on)as such laws are made by elected representative and unelected members of SC should have no right to interfere in it.

    The issue of failure of northern states in controlling the population can be discussed at length but does it mean that the people should suffer due to it. Mr S says that they pay more taxes and in a way subsidises people of north. If we apply the same logic then the rich should also demand more benefits from the government and subsidies to the poor should be stopped completely. Further, we should also abolish constitutional provision in the form of affirmative action for the weak and downtrodden sections of the society as their contribution in the tax kitty is relatively less.

    Mr. S alleged that they get tied funds from the centre and states have no say in foreign trade policy but on the contrary Fourteen Finance commission has enhanced devaluation of untied funds to states which may further increase in 15th FC report. In the new foreign trade policy states were promoted to have their own trade policy and bring investment from the global markets. Is it not real?

    Cutting my argument short we can say that differences would remain in multicultural country like india but it does not mean that one should go to an extent of demanding separate land just to capture the power.
    By the way how the foreign relationship of so called dravidnadu states will be vis-a-vis Srilanka will be interesting to see where the leaders of TN demands attacking the Srilankan navy when they create hindrance for the fisherman.

    Summing up, all such issues will die down once a coalition government forms at centre where the same politicians will be ready to go to any extent to get a ministerial berth as has been happening for last 2 decades.
    Northern states have failed in all aspects. Not only population control.

    Western and Southern States have developed their region with zero central support.

    On other hand Northern states have failed to do that with all Central support. Even the National Capital Region was developed solely by the Central government.
    It's bring up few important questions. Why are those state governments doing? Why are western and southern states need to be penalized for incompetence of Northern Indians? Why does the central government more concerned with the poor people of North than other regions?

    North Indians are doing worse than what west Pakistanis did to East Pakisanis.

    Atleast West Pakistanis did not try to make the Bengalis a minority in their own land.

    But in India, the central government is encouraging North Indian surplus population to migrate western and southern India. I can see how my state Maharashtra is being destroyed by the BIMARU belt people.
    The central govt has forced western and southern states yo bring down their fertility rated. While allowing Hindi belt to breed like rabbits. We are the ones getting penalized for their sins. The below article explains the situation real nice.
    http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/opinion/views/south-indians-fast-becoming-rare-in-south-heres-why/articleshow/51916868.cms

    "North Indians are doing worse than what west Pakistanis did to East Pakisanis.

    Atleast West Pakistanis did not try to make the Bengalis a minority in their own land."


    good luck for your alternative career
    you are not only unfit for administrative post but also as a citizenry
    Thanks for the certificate, babua!
  • edited March 23
    How is Siddhu's argument different from that of salaried class cribbing over ever-increasing tax burden with each new budget? that the top 5% of tax payers are subsidizing the rest 95%? Are they also demanding a separate whatever?

    If politicians are so cool with distributive justice when it comes to individuals, they should be okay when FC applies it to states.

    What if Bangaloreans now use the same logic with the state Govt. - that we contribute 40% of state's own tax revenue .. please use that 40% to fix Bangalore's drains, lakes and roads :trollface:
    बने पुजारी प्रेमी साकी, गंगाजल पावन हाला,
    रहे फेरता अविरत गति से मधु के प्यालों की माला'
    'और लिये जा, और पीये जा', इसी मंत्र का जाप करे'
    मैं शिव की प्रतिमा बन बैठूं, मंदिर हो यह मधुशाला ।
  • विषय यहाँ पर वित्तीय संघवाद का पारदर्शी ढंग से अनुपालन करने का है परन्तु क्षुद्र राजनैतिक महत्वाकांक्षा की पूर्ती हेतु अलगाववाद , संकीर्णता की निर्लज़्ज़ अभिव्यक्ति में महत्त्वपूर्ण मुद्दों को ठन्डे बास्ते में डाला जा रहा है।
  • edited March 23
    One prospective question on regionalism this year mains!
    Nothing else!!
    Hunt alone
  • dolby said:

    By Siddaramaiah
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    image

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    By Stalin

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    Sad to see such issues propping up from the head of established political party just to have the lion’s share (including illegal) in the country’s economy. Even worrying is the way its getting passive support from aspirants wanting to be the future civil servants of our country who would be bound to protect the unity and integrity of our nation.
    The core of the issue lies in lack of representation in ministry at central government from the so called Dravidnadu states. In crude terms their source of income (illegal) by becoming a minister in central government has ceased to exists due to which they(politicians) are venting their anger by raising the above issues.

    Directly coming to the point Mr. Stalin and siddaramaiah wants more funds and autonomy from the centre. Going by the same logic Mr. Stalin should present a white paper on financial devaluation to their own local governments before giving a lecture to the centre. Mr. S should highlight “how empowered their own local bodies are” which was clearly seen during Chennai floods.
    The tribes of TN, Kerala,Karnataka are demanding autonomy for a very long time. Why don’t these leaders give them more autonomy in the form of scheduled area, if they demand the same from the centre?

    Regarding formation of dravidnadu why to include kerala in financially sound states. Will Mr.S exclude the malyalese as they contribute relatively less to the central kitty as we all know the role of remittances in the state.
    Mr. Siddaramiya says that the constitution has stood the test of time so they can have their own flag etc. But its interesting to see that their leaders in delhi always raise the issue of “constitution in danger & undeclared emergency in the country”.If such demands gets political backing from the centre then the wishlist cannot be fulfilled in the near future. Therefore a strong centre is required to curtail such illegitimate demands as was done in 2013 when centre denied minority status to lingayats.

    Mr S questions the authenticity of finance commissions on question of “freebies” as the decision is taken by so called elected representatives. If we follow the same logic then we should support legislations and laws struck down by Supreme court(Sec 66A of IT Act, NJAC .....the list can go on)as such laws are made by elected representative and unelected members of SC should have no right to interfere in it.

    The issue of failure of northern states in controlling the population can be discussed at length but does it mean that the people should suffer due to it. Mr S says that they pay more taxes and in a way subsidises people of north. If we apply the same logic then the rich should also demand more benefits from the government and subsidies to the poor should be stopped completely. Further, we should also abolish constitutional provision in the form of affirmative action for the weak and downtrodden sections of the society as their contribution in the tax kitty is relatively less.

    Mr. S alleged that they get tied funds from the centre and states have no say in foreign trade policy but on the contrary Fourteen Finance commission has enhanced devaluation of untied funds to states which may further increase in 15th FC report. In the new foreign trade policy states were promoted to have their own trade policy and bring investment from the global markets. Is it not real?

    Cutting my argument short we can say that differences would remain in multicultural country like india but it does not mean that one should go to an extent of demanding separate land just to capture the power.
    By the way how the foreign relationship of so called dravidnadu states will be vis-a-vis Srilanka will be interesting to see where the leaders of TN demands attacking the Srilankan navy when they create hindrance for the fisherman.

    Summing up, all such issues will die down once a coalition government forms at centre where the same politicians will be ready to go to any extent to get a ministerial berth as has been happening for last 2 decades.
    plz tell what is the incentive for development??? south states pay one rupee tax and get 30paise for development... frustration is not because north is getting more fund..frustration is because callous attitude of union govt towards development woes of south states.....chandrababu naidu asks for money for dvelopment and the same is denied by the centre...years of paying high tax to centre and in the distress time centre syas we cant give u money for development....obviously states feel stabbed.. understand here south states are not against helping poorer states they are against central govt for not giving money for development...
    Sabka maalik domino
  • Lone Wolf said:

    One prospective question on regionalism this year mains!
    Nothing else!!

    Yes.

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  • Before starting, I must categorically state I never even gave a space to the anti-constitutional demand of 'Dravidanadu'. Such demands should be punishable if it, even a fractionally, hurts the Unity and Integrity of our Nation. I argued on the line of issues of Center-State, not north-south etc.

    You are sad that such issues of fundamental importance are being voiced by state leaders in a democratic country? How easily you termed the demand of equitable distribution to illegal, Mr. Justice. Your moral-high standing of being worried by passive support is foolish, as neither I supported Dravidanadu demand, nor demanding/debating issues of public interest should worry anyone - there are continuous 'active' support to various demands going on for various issues.

    You are so wrong in identifying the core of issue, that you are accepting being a central minister is a source of illegal income. Do you see political representation in Union Government as a source of illegal income only? then I must slowly clap for your logic. And if it is so, then every state leader should only aspire for that share, no?
    (FYI, State govt also provides opportunity of illegal income, remember Fodder scam?, NHM scam? Coal-scam? or in south Reddy Brothers scam or Solar panel scam? )

    And try not to counter something by whataboutery, it's worst form of argument. Yes I agree, state to local government trasnfer has been worst in all states. But I don't think it should prevent reforming Center to State transfer. On this, I will also suggest you to read a bit which states have better Local Government institution. Kerala, Tamilnadu, and also Nagaland are one of the best states. States can't give 'Schedule Area' tag, its prerogative of Centre government and Parliament.

    I hate again to counter points regarding formation of Dravidanadu(which I never supported), but its laughable that just knowing 'remittances' you ridiculed Kerala's share. It has always been under top6-7 state to contribute Indian GDP and Taxes. Rhetoric doesn't make good argument, bhai.

    Yes, Strong Nation is indeed required, but for that states should also be more strong and autonomous, because neglecting people's legitimate demand is worst way to make strong nation. Everyone loves a strong nation, I hope you too. Giving regional symbol doesn't make a nation weak, US has 50 states and 50 flags and 50 state constitution and 50 state citizenship. And I'm not foolish to compare India to US in this way, but just for the point that 2nd tier government's autonomy doesn't make whole nation weak.

    And your next argument is preposterous to say the least. State Parties fight democratic elections, puts agenda/freebies on their manifesto, people may like that and vote it. Those states should NOT BE PUNISHED for such freebies by terming it populist, because it is being endorsed by citizens. How stupid is the comparison of Judicial Review of a Law which violates Fundamental Right with a democratic decision of how well to spend money for welfare of that state, which is sole prerogative of Executives. Again, time for slow clap.

    Your next para is one of more logical ones. But the thing is if you change 'rule of the game' in such crucial institution of Fiscal Transfer, affected party must feel short-charged. Rule was already set so that Population Growth is not incentivized. And there are other provisions like, I guess Article 275, by which FC can give Grants to support backward states in need of assistance.

    Yes, funds from center should largely be untied only. Every state should be allowed to reconcile centre schemes in its own context, remember India is a very diverse country, same guidelines in a scheme won't work for every state, and their is very high diversity in socio-economic indicators/infrastructure too.

    Customs duty and quantitative limits are under Union List - as they must be- so state trade policy can't help in this.

    Demand of Dravidandu is un-Constitutional. And I feel sorry if you thought I was supporting such demand in my post. My issues is related to imbalance in Federalism.

    And if coalition government helps in satisfying demands of the States (not politicians) I don't find any wrong in it. But such demands are not only for petty political gain, had it not been serious issue we wouldn't have had two High Level Commission (Sarkaria and Punchhi) to recommend measure.

    Btw, I'm from one of the most backward districts in UP, so don't think I'm supporting strong state just for my regional biasness.


    demanding/debating issues of public interest. What public interest is served by demanding Dravidnadu? Leaders could have raised their demand by some other means but they are indulging in threat game which has become common in recent time(andolans in Gujarat, Haryana etc.)

    States can't give 'Schedule Area' tag, its prerogative of Centre government and Parliament. But at least they can demand the same from centre as they are raising their demand for Dravidnadu.

    Kerala has always been under top6-7 state to contribute Indian GDP and in present time it must have deteriorated due to centre’s apathy. One can be close to kerala sentimentally but sentiment does not work in economics except stock market. I’m only comparing kerala based on its fiscal capacity and the image is attached.

    Present Kerala CM has admitted that the state is fiscally weak(according to his interview to Mint).
    US has 50 states and 50 flags and 50 state constitution and 50 state citizenship, Please don’t apply US model in india as it can have several consequences.

    State Parties fight democratic elections, puts agenda/freebies on their manifesto, people may like that and vote it. How naive this argument is in context with india where everyday the central government give the same argument to further their vested interest(foreign funding to parties, loan waiver ignoring the fiscal deficit etc.)
    Why time for slow clap? Rather Clap like a PRO as there is no one to witness it.

    We can go on with our own arguments but it is like a never ending chapter.Few people@Schindlerr are acting like the judges of new reality shows where they praise every contestant and enjoy the game :D

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  • edited March 23
    dolby said:



    Before starting, I must categorically state I never even gave a space to the anti-constitutional demand of 'Dravidanadu'. Such demands should be punishable if it, even a fractionally, hurts the Unity and Integrity of our Nation. I argued on the line of issues of Center-State, not north-south etc.

    You are sad that such issues of fundamental importance are being voiced by state leaders in a democratic country? How easily you termed the demand of equitable distribution to illegal, Mr. Justice. Your moral-high standing of being worried by passive support is foolish, as neither I supported Dravidanadu demand, nor demanding/debating issues of public interest should worry anyone - there are continuous 'active' support to various demands going on for various issues.

    You are so wrong in identifying the core of issue, that you are accepting being a central minister is a source of illegal income. Do you see political representation in Union Government as a source of illegal income only? then I must slowly clap for your logic. And if it is so, then every state leader should only aspire for that share, no?
    (FYI, State govt also provides opportunity of illegal income, remember Fodder scam?, NHM scam? Coal-scam? or in south Reddy Brothers scam or Solar panel scam? )

    And try not to counter something by whataboutery, it's worst form of argument. Yes I agree, state to local government trasnfer has been worst in all states. But I don't think it should prevent reforming Center to State transfer. On this, I will also suggest you to read a bit which states have better Local Government institution. Kerala, Tamilnadu, and also Nagaland are one of the best states. States can't give 'Schedule Area' tag, its prerogative of Centre government and Parliament.

    I hate again to counter points regarding formation of Dravidanadu(which I never supported), but its laughable that just knowing 'remittances' you ridiculed Kerala's share. It has always been under top6-7 state to contribute Indian GDP and Taxes. Rhetoric doesn't make good argument, bhai.

    Yes, Strong Nation is indeed required, but for that states should also be more strong and autonomous, because neglecting people's legitimate demand is worst way to make strong nation. Everyone loves a strong nation, I hope you too. Giving regional symbol doesn't make a nation weak, US has 50 states and 50 flags and 50 state constitution and 50 state citizenship. And I'm not foolish to compare India to US in this way, but just for the point that 2nd tier government's autonomy doesn't make whole nation weak.

    And your next argument is preposterous to say the least. State Parties fight democratic elections, puts agenda/freebies on their manifesto, people may like that and vote it. Those states should NOT BE PUNISHED for such freebies by terming it populist, because it is being endorsed by citizens. How stupid is the comparison of Judicial Review of a Law which violates Fundamental Right with a democratic decision of how well to spend money for welfare of that state, which is sole prerogative of Executives. Again, time for slow clap.

    Your next para is one of more logical ones. But the thing is if you change 'rule of the game' in such crucial institution of Fiscal Transfer, affected party must feel short-charged. Rule was already set so that Population Growth is not incentivized. And there are other provisions like, I guess Article 275, by which FC can give Grants to support backward states in need of assistance.

    Yes, funds from center should largely be untied only. Every state should be allowed to reconcile centre schemes in its own context, remember India is a very diverse country, same guidelines in a scheme won't work for every state, and their is very high diversity in socio-economic indicators/infrastructure too.

    Customs duty and quantitative limits are under Union List - as they must be- so state trade policy can't help in this.

    Demand of Dravidandu is un-Constitutional. And I feel sorry if you thought I was supporting such demand in my post. My issues is related to imbalance in Federalism.

    And if coalition government helps in satisfying demands of the States (not politicians) I don't find any wrong in it. But such demands are not only for petty political gain, had it not been serious issue we wouldn't have had two High Level Commission (Sarkaria and Punchhi) to recommend measure.

    Btw, I'm from one of the most backward districts in UP, so don't think I'm supporting strong state just for my regional biasness.

    demanding/debating issues of public interest. What public interest is served by demanding Dravidnadu? Leaders could have raised their demand by some other means but they are indulging in threat game which has become common in recent time(andolans in Gujarat, Haryana etc.)

    States can't give 'Schedule Area' tag, its prerogative of Centre government and Parliament. But at least they can demand the same from centre as they are raising their demand for Dravidnadu.

    Kerala has always been under top6-7 state to contribute Indian GDP and in present time it must have deteriorated due to centre’s apathy. One can be close to kerala sentimentally but sentiment does not work in economics except stock market. I’m only comparing kerala based on its fiscal capacity and the image is attached.

    Present Kerala CM has admitted that the state is fiscally weak(according to his interview to Mint).
    US has 50 states and 50 flags and 50 state constitution and 50 state citizenship, Please don’t apply US model in india as it can have several consequences.

    State Parties fight democratic elections, puts agenda/freebies on their manifesto, people may like that and vote it. How naive this argument is in context with india where everyday the central government give the same argument to further their vested interest(foreign funding to parties, loan waiver ignoring the fiscal deficit etc.)
    Why time for slow clap? Rather Clap like a PRO as there is no one to witness it.

    We can go on with our own arguments but it is like a never ending chapter.Few people@Schindlerr are acting like the judges of new reality shows where they praise every contestant and enjoy the game :D

    Haha
    Bhai i am not being Judge as i never said who is right or wrong.
    Yes i did praise both arguments bcoz i wanted a healthy discussion.
    And of course i am enjoying it as long as i m getting to know new perspectives from this discussion.
    And lastly u hv again made good arguments. Hahaha
  • How is Siddhu's argument different from that of salaried class cribbing over ever-increasing tax burden with each new budget? that the top 5% of tax payers are subsidizing the rest 95%? Are they also demanding a separate whatever?

    If politicians are so cool with distributive justice when it comes to individuals, they should be okay when FC applies it to states.

    What if Bangaloreans now use the same logic with the state Govt. - that we contribute 40% of state's own tax revenue .. please use that 40% to fix Bangalore's drains, lakes and roads :trollface:

    +101 :#
  • BIMARUs are hated in Pakistan and Bangladesh too.

    Their mentality is destructive. The regions inhabitated by them are hell holes.

    They deserve all the credit for turning Indian metros into crime infested slums.

    Kudos to Bangladeshi government for stripping them of citizenship. Best wishes to Pakistani government who uses its military to crush those muhajir pests in Karachi.

    Meanwhile in India, these pan chewing and khaini stained teeth rule the country. No wonder the country is going downhill.

  • shivajii said:

    BIMARUs are hated in Pakistan and Bangladesh too.

    Their mentality is destructive. The regions inhabitated by them are hell holes.

    They deserve all the credit for turning Indian metros into crime infested slums.

    Kudos to Bangladeshi government for stripping them of citizenship. Best wishes to Pakistani government who uses its military to crush those muhajir pests in Karachi.

    Meanwhile in India, these pan chewing and khaini stained teeth rule the country. No wonder the country is going downhill.

    aur kuch :lol:
  • shivajii said:

    BIMARUs are hated in Pakistan and Bangladesh too.

    Their mentality is destructive. The regions inhabitated by them are hell holes.

    They deserve all the credit for turning Indian metros into crime infested slums.

    Kudos to Bangladeshi government for stripping them of citizenship. Best wishes to Pakistani government who uses its military to crush those muhajir pests in Karachi.

    Meanwhile in India, these pan chewing and khaini stained teeth rule the country. No wonder the country is going downhill.

    ये फोरम जहाँ पर तुम अपनी ज़हरीला भाषण दे रहे हो ...ये भी किसी बिहारी का है।
    कुछ तो शर्म करो ...
  • edited March 23
    shivajii said:

    BIMARUs are hated in Pakistan and Bangladesh too.

    Their mentality is destructive. The regions inhabitated by them are hell holes.

    They deserve all the credit for turning Indian metros into crime infested slums.

    Kudos to Bangladeshi government for stripping them of citizenship. Best wishes to Pakistani government who uses its military to crush those muhajir pests in Karachi.

    Meanwhile in India, these pan chewing and khaini stained teeth rule the country. No wonder the country is going downhill.

    Behn ka pakuada...hagga kyun maar raha be ......jaat...jaake siddharamaiah ka ...chhato
  • @root @Neyawn @Yo_Yo_Choti_Singh @DrKingSchuItz @ForumIAS come out of slumber my friends.... this is not a healthy discussion which name suggest......they are spreading venom of hate in tha name of discussion...by seeing these comments no one can control his anger and this will not good for forum as it is not a platform to spread hate against any particular region.....these cheap people in the name of upsc are doing bakaiti.......I have also commented rudely but it was just as see previous comment on which I commented.....pls look into the matter seriously as no one visit forumias for burning his blood ...as it will have some negative consequences
  • @root @Neyawn @Yo_Yo_Choti_Singh @DrKingSchuItz @ForumIAS come out of slumber my friends.... this is not a healthy discussion which name suggest......they are spreading venom of hate in tha name of discussion...by seeing these comments no one can control his anger and this will not good for forum as it is not a platform to spread hate against any particular region.....these cheap people in the name of upsc are doing bakaiti.......I have also commented rudely but it was just as see previous comment on which I commented.....pls look into the matter seriously as no one visit forumias for burning his blood ...as it will have some negative consequences

    सही बात बोल रहे हो ...ऐसे लोग स्वस्थ परिचर्चा के नाम पर अपने अलगाववादी एजंडे हो हवा दे रहे हैं।
    इन सबके विरुद्ध कानूनी कार्रवाई होनी चाहिए I
    FIR दर्ज कराई जाये I
  • @root @Neyawn @Yo_Yo_Choti_Singh @DrKingSchuItz @ForumIAS

    ऐसी देशद्रोही व्यक्ति के विरुद्ध विधि सम्मत कायर्वाही करे।
    इस तरह चुप रहकर आप भारतवर्ष की एकता और अखंडता से भी समझौता कर रहे हैं।
  • @root @Neyawn @Yo_Yo_Choti_Singh @DrKingSchuItz @ForumIAS come out of slumber my friends.... this is not a healthy discussion which name suggest......they are spreading venom of hate in tha name of discussion...by seeing these comments no one can control his anger and this will not good for forum as it is not a platform to spread hate against any particular region.....these cheap people in the name of upsc are doing bakaiti.......I have also commented rudely but it was just as see previous comment on which I commented.....pls look into the matter seriously as no one visit forumias for burning his blood ...as it will have some negative consequences

    Haa bhai sahi bole.. inko lagta hai aisi chutya thread banakr IAS ban jaayenge.. :neutral:
    Prelim-2, Mains-1, Interview- 0.
    Prelim cutoff prediction-
    92-96general
    89-92 obc.
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