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  • problem there are hardly any homeopathy docs practising homeopathy.
    they prctise allopathy or avurveda.
    agar homeopathy practise kare toh loogo ko waise hee asliyat pata chal jayegi..

    ps: ek hee mumbai ke welknown homeopathy doc ke paas gaya tha.
    aur voh mujhe nirmal baba jaise qs puch raha tha..
  • There is no point in disallowing homeopathy - practice and education - in India where dearth of doctors is alarming. The bill very rightly fills a lacunae so far being filled by not only BAMS, BHMS but pharmists, and medical store guys as well. Everyone prescribes allopathic medicines and you can't restrict it to MBBS doctors who are not to be seen where they are needed. BHMS, Unaani, BAMS can fill a gap and add to capacity. Recognising it is good.
  • There is no point in disallowing homeopathy - practice and education - in India where dearth of doctors is alarming. The bill very rightly fills a lacunae so far being filled by not only BAMS, BHMS but pharmists, and medical store guys as well. Everyone prescribes allopathic medicines and you can't restrict it to MBBS doctors who are not to be seen where they are needed. BHMS, Unaani, BAMS can fill a gap and add to capacity. Recognising it is good.

    in tat case we can strt a new 3yrs course on community medicine(psm), post std 12th..
    let bhms unaani n bams maintain their identity .
    that way even ppl wont feel tat bams is less effective vis a vis allopathy.
  • Warlord said:

    There is no point in disallowing homeopathy - practice and education - in India where dearth of doctors is alarming. The bill very rightly fills a lacunae so far being filled by not only BAMS, BHMS but pharmists, and medical store guys as well. Everyone prescribes allopathic medicines and you can't restrict it to MBBS doctors who are not to be seen where they are needed. BHMS, Unaani, BAMS can fill a gap and add to capacity. Recognising it is good.

    in tat case we can strt a new 3yrs course on community medicine(psm), post std 12th..
    let bhms unaani n bams maintain their identity .
    that way even ppl wont feel tat bams is less effective vis a vis allopathy.
    this bill does exactly that without needing a separate infrastructure, exams, etc.by enabling AYUSH to act officially as a bridge.
  • edited January 3
    The bill does not promote anything but Allopathy. When there is a bridge course,there must be some exit test in place for ensuring quality is not compromised.

    When we are ready to be treated by china and Ukraine educated Doctors, let government improve the Dr to patient ratio by a well developed bridge course. This is a legacy issue and the situation cannot be improved very soon but a holistic approach to enable more professionally qualified medical practitioners to treat more patients should be welcomed. The protests which we see today by medical students or doctors would have been better if they were directed at MBBS guys studied in low grade pvt colleges just using sheer amount of capitation fees and donation.

    P.S. A doctor treated me 10 days for normal fever even when it reached near 105. I myself went for blood test when he just preferred calling me every second day for fees. It was typhoid. Checked his qualification and he was MBBS from some capitation fees wala college of Karnataka. I am surprised at the hues and cries same doctors are creating against a bridge course.
  • I genuinely feel that the bill is very good. Jahan Tak homoeopathy and other ayush doctors ki baat hai, 3 years of a bridge course is a decently long enough period for them to have some kind of hold on the subject, keeping in mind pure mbbs academic training is for 4.5 years only. In A research in w. Bengal I guess , last year, they gave training to quacks and tested their ability to correctly diagnose the diseases. Surprisingly, the accuracy rate of the diagnosis was almost similar to that of proper doctors. There is actual proof to show that this might actually work.

    Ideally, this is not what should happen, alternative medicine should always be a side thing, but the lack of doctors and the problem of costly treatment in rural areas is so massive, I wouldn't mind if this relief is provided to the people even on an experimental basis at the cost of the taxpayers money.


    I actually know someone who didn't have 30000 rupees to go to the city and have her treatment. She just came back to the village knowing she would die. And a few days later, she didn't wake up that morning. Imagine what it must be like for her n her son for those days she lived. Thats the kind of desperate situation people are in.


  • The way homeopathy is flourishing all over India as well as in other countries even after such negative reports is taking away sleeps of Allopathy lobby. How i am so positive about homeopathy is because i have very closely seen peolpe practising pure homeopath since last 30 years. I don't think if patients don't get any benefit will continue to grow.
    Few of the interesting facts about homeopathy is that its free from side effects unlik allopathy. It doesnt work like an antibiotic as in allopathy, it take the help of immune system to treat the disease, and hence there is no chance of antibiotics resistance which is a big issue in allopathy. There are many cases where only homeo works like psoriasis etc. If homeopathy gets proper attention and research, its the future not allopathy.
    The main refutation of research papers is their dilution laws on the basis of which they outrightly declare it as quack, which clearly show their frustration. An IIT B research paper, by studing its effect at nano level came in support of dilution law and there may be many more in future to follow.
    Homeopathy believe that the right medicine can be known thu medical history of the patient, his likes, dislikes, nature, food habbits etc helps homeopaths to find right medicine. The one who has compared it with nirmal baba, bouy don't live under the shadow of a false propoganda, go and explore, there are a lot many unexplained events occur around, homeopathy still explains.
    At the end i would say that don't deny something existing since long just on the basis of some so called research papers, there are many homeopaths practising around, and there are many who are taking treatment, you can also try some day, it won't kill you trust me, and the thing that doesn't kills you makes you stronger ;)
  • I Myself have benefitted from homepathy when AIIMS,Apollo fail to treat my problem even after 3 years.
    "If one takes care of the means, the end will take care of itself.
  • edited January 4
    karan_004 said:

    I Myself have benefitted from homepathy when AIIMS,Apollo fail to treat my problem even after 3 years.

    I have also benefitted from homeopath's allopathic prescriptions and have seen many more get benefits of him prescribing cheaper brands against an an allopath's expensive prescriptions. It truely perplexes how so many of these 'real' doctors don't hesitate in praying upon poor people. Access and affordability are critical in primary healthcare, and MBBS doctors prove more of a hindrance than providing solution in primary health care at least. Loot in corporate hospitals is still another matter. No doctors for poor man.
  • Who told you homeopathy is quackery..?? Have you ever tried.. I have seen patients losing all the hopes from allopathty getting new lease of life after homeopathic treatment.
    There are many hospitals in metro cities recruiting homeo doctors as RMO and even in icu.. At that time they don't have any problem but when same doctor strats opd you people start feeling stomach ache..
  • Alloathy
    Dronaa said:

    Who told you homeopathy is quackery..?? Have you ever tried.. I have seen patients losing all the hopes from allopathty getting new lease of life after homeopathic treatment.
    There are many hospitals in metro cities recruiting homeo doctors as RMO and even in icu.. At that time they don't have any problem but when same doctor strats opd you people start feeling stomach ache..

    Allopathy lobby has always been trying to prove alternative medicine system as fake while ignoring the drastic side effects allopathy is associated with. So many kidney failures and deaths due to use of analgesics and so many bacterial resistance cases are upcoming due to overuse of antibiotics but have we ever seen homeopathy lobby coming as strong against English medicine system? No

    Truth is these so called reports against homepathy rely on only one argument, "Concentration of medicine is too low to be effective".

    I understand that personal individual experiences won't be the best argument but saying that there is obvious proof that homeopathy is fake is a misconception. Even in US, people undergoing homeopathic treatment are increasing in number.
  • People who doesnt even know the theroy of homeopathy are defending it
    How can anyone say homeopathy is genuine when theur baisc idea is flawed
    and lot of study has proved that its no better than placebo
    once again HUSTLE
  • People who doesnt even know the theroy of homeopathy are defending it
    How can anyone say homeopathy is genuine when theur baisc idea is flawed
    and lot of study has proved that its no better than placebo

    My sister was returned from cmc vellore with a conclusion that her one kidney is gone and second is infected beyond the chances of repair. Kolkata homeopathic Dr treated her of her kidney infection and she is completely OK now. There is no conclusive evidence of homeopathy being a placebo. Read more. Lobbying and surveys will come and go.
  • The problem is not Homeopathy doctors practicing Homeopathy and others practicing their own discipline. The issue in the bill is it makes other discipline for e.g.Homeopathy, Unani, Ayurveda etc to practice Allopathy....
    Come on... Now you tell me even you yourself would take treatment from such doctor? Then why give excuse of population to doctor ratio and other.
    Rather Bill should make it mandatory to practice their own discipline in which they took their education and cleared the exam.
    On quackery and else I don't want to make any comment. But I have a homepath Dr friend who refused to vaccinate his kid except for Polio and TB. I made him understand but he ain't listening giving reason that it's not needed according to science of Homeopathy. So decide for yourself.
  • FLASHHERE said:

    The problem is not Homeopathy doctors practicing Homeopathy and others practicing their own discipline. The issue in the bill is it makes other discipline for e.g.Homeopathy, Unani, Ayurveda etc to practice Allopathy....
    Come on... Now you tell me even you yourself would take treatment from such doctor? Then why give excuse of population to doctor ratio and other.
    Rather Bill should make it mandatory to practice their own discipline in which they took their education and cleared the exam.
    On quackery and else I don't want to make any comment. But I have a homepath Dr friend who refused to vaccinate his kid except for Polio and TB. I made him understand but he ain't listening giving reason that it's not needed according to science of Homeopathy. So decide for yourself.

    FLASHHERE said:

    The problem is not Homeopathy doctors practicing Homeopathy and others practicing their own discipline. The issue in the bill is it makes other discipline for e.g.Homeopathy, Unani, Ayurveda etc to practice Allopathy....
    Come on... Now you tell me even you yourself would take treatment from such doctor? Then why give excuse of population to doctor ratio and other.
    Rather Bill should make it mandatory to practice their own discipline in which they took their education and cleared the exam.
    On quackery and else I don't want to make any comment. But I have a homepath Dr friend who refused to vaccinate his kid except for Polio and TB. I made him understand but he ain't listening giving reason that it's not needed according to science of Homeopathy. So decide for yourself.

    Yes I will go for treatment to a Dr who moved to allopathy after three year bridge course if there is a test in place for his or her assessment. I will prefer him over doctors educated from colleges with a capitation or donation fees and also over doctors studied from china, Ukraine, Philiipines etc.
  • edited January 8
    lemme qotute something for you
    The law of infinitesimal doses was actually a late development by Hahnemann, but today is often thought of as the primary characteristic of homeopathy. This law states that when drugs are diluted in either water or alcohol, they actually increase in therapeutic potency. Today, serial dilutions of 1:100 repeated 6 or 30 times are commonly used. Between each dilution the substance is violently shaken, which is thought to be necessary to activate the properties of the drug.
    how can anyone believe in that thats just scientifically as we as by any common knowledge absurd

    once again HUSTLE
  • lemme qotute something for you

    The law of infinitesimal doses was actually a late development by Hahnemann, but today is often thought of as the primary characteristic of homeopathy. This law states that when drugs are diluted in either water or alcohol, they actually increase in therapeutic potency. Today, serial dilutions of 1:100 repeated 6 or 30 times are commonly used. Between each dilution the substance is violently shaken, which is thought to be necessary to activate the properties of the drug.
    how can anyone believe in that thats just scientifically as we as by any common knowledge absurd

    lemme qotute something for you

    The law of infinitesimal doses was actually a late development by Hahnemann, but today is often thought of as the primary characteristic of homeopathy. This law states that when drugs are diluted in either water or alcohol, they actually increase in therapeutic potency. Today, serial dilutions of 1:100 repeated 6 or 30 times are commonly used. Between each dilution the substance is violently shaken, which is thought to be necessary to activate the properties of the drug.
    how can anyone believe in that thats just scientifically as we as by any common knowledge absurd



    because the common knowledge explains only common cases not all.

    https://m.timesofindia.com/city/mumbai/IIT-B-team-shows-how-homeopathy-works/articleshow/7108579.cms


    If one is not able to expalin, doesn't means that thing ceases to exist !
  • lemme qotute something for you

    The law of infinitesimal doses was actually a late development by Hahnemann, but today is often thought of as the primary characteristic of homeopathy. This law states that when drugs are diluted in either water or alcohol, they actually increase in therapeutic potency. Today, serial dilutions of 1:100 repeated 6 or 30 times are commonly used. Between each dilution the substance is violently shaken, which is thought to be necessary to activate the properties of the drug.
    how can anyone believe in that thats just scientifically as we as by any common knowledge absurd



    Einstein as we all know was greatest ...........He proposed the theory of static universe in 1917 ...........And as we know he was scientist, he surely would have experimented before stating it. But what happened........Hubble telescope changed the perception............so bro Science theories are made to debuked later....It is possible that this Hubble perception would get change with the discovery of dark matter and energy as we further go deep someday. So dnt stick to any theory............and being an aspirant i am not supposed to debate on Homeopathy is fake or real.......stick to what bill wants to convey and what are its implications...........unnecessarily debating will only waste time.
  • It is a static universe.

    Every video is a bunch of still photographs shown to you really fast.

    Saw the passion in my vulnerabilities? Now see the strength in my resolution.
  • I was avoiding to comment. But many derogatory comments are made by literate fools, so I am providing some points-
    1) This bill shouldn't be supported. It is not because Aayush practitioners lack competence. This bill is govt.'s short-sighted solution for health issues in Rural India. It will kill Aayush knowledge in long run. As Buddhism vanished from India, Ayurveda will vanish.
    2) I don't know about Homeopathic basic principales. But I know the person, who was cured of vitiligo by Homeopathic medicine. If anyone have little knowledge of medicine, one can understand placebo can not solve issue of skin problems.
    Not only this, renowned skin specialist had already said that, it was incurable. But Homeopathic medicine cured it.

    It's easy to criticize something because of ignorance, but it is difficult to study and accept truth.
  • I was avoiding to comment. But many derogatory comments are made by literate fools, so I am providing some points-
    1) This bill shouldn't be supported. It is not because Aayush practitioners lack competence. This bill is govt.'s short-sighted solution for health issues in Rural India. It will kill Aayush knowledge in long run. As Buddhism vanished from India, Ayurveda will vanish.
    2) I don't know about Homeopathic basic principales. But I know the person, who was cured of vitiligo by Homeopathic medicine. If anyone have little knowledge of medicine, one can understand placebo can not solve issue of skin problems.
    Not only this, renowned skin specialist had already said that, it was incurable. But Homeopathic medicine cured it.

    It's easy to criticize something because of ignorance, but it is difficult to study and accept truth.

    Bhai Integrated medicine could be good concept and a key to our healthcare sector. AYUSH doctors when equipped with modern medicine could become more efficient in their work as it is well known that our country has vast shortage of doctors.
    Licentiate for practice and pg is also a good move to bring in quality doctors.
    Why so much protest is there?
    Are MBBS doctors being insecure of entry of AYUSH doctors into modern medicine which might hurt their money interest?
  • I was avoiding to comment. But many derogatory comments are made by literate fools, so I am providing some points-
    1) This bill shouldn't be supported. It is not because Aayush practitioners lack competence. This bill is govt.'s short-sighted solution for health issues in Rural India. It will kill Aayush knowledge in long run. As Buddhism vanished from India, Ayurveda will vanish.
    2) I don't know about Homeopathic basic principales. But I know the person, who was cured of vitiligo by Homeopathic medicine. If anyone have little knowledge of medicine, one can understand placebo can not solve issue of skin problems.
    Not only this, renowned skin specialist had already said that, it was incurable. But Homeopathic medicine cured it.

    It's easy to criticize something because of ignorance, but it is difficult to study and accept truth.

    Bhai Integrated medicine could be good concept and a key to our healthcare sector. AYUSH doctors when equipped with modern medicine could become more efficient in their work as it is well known that our country has vast shortage of doctors.
    Licentiate for practice and pg is also a good move to bring in quality doctors.
    Why so much protest is there?
    Are MBBS doctors being insecure of entry of AYUSH doctors into modern medicine which might hurt their money interest?
    Surely, MBBS doctors are insecure. They prefer quacks, but not Ayush practitioners.

    My point is, if government is serious about poors, govt should initiate 3 years community health degree course. This bill is threat to indigenous knowledge.

    Moreover, separate entrance exam for Ayush courses should be conducted. So that only willing candidates will join Ayush and not those who fail to get admission in MBBS.

    And, this bill is not going to have intended effect, as in many states, particularly north Indian states, Ayush doctors alreay do GP.
  • I was avoiding to comment. But many derogatory comments are made by literate fools, so I am providing some points-
    1) This bill shouldn't be supported. It is not because Aayush practitioners lack competence. This bill is govt.'s short-sighted solution for health issues in Rural India. It will kill Aayush knowledge in long run. As Buddhism vanished from India, Ayurveda will vanish.
    2) I don't know about Homeopathic basic principales. But I know the person, who was cured of vitiligo by Homeopathic medicine. If anyone have little knowledge of medicine, one can understand placebo can not solve issue of skin problems.
    Not only this, renowned skin specialist had already said that, it was incurable. But Homeopathic medicine cured it.

    It's easy to criticize something because of ignorance, but it is difficult to study and accept truth.

    Bhai Integrated medicine could be good concept and a key to our healthcare sector. AYUSH doctors when equipped with modern medicine could become more efficient in their work as it is well known that our country has vast shortage of doctors.
    Licentiate for practice and pg is also a good move to bring in quality doctors.
    Why so much protest is there?
    Are MBBS doctors being insecure of entry of AYUSH doctors into modern medicine which might hurt their money interest?
    Surely, MBBS doctors are insecure. They prefer quacks, but not Ayush practitioners.

    My point is, if government is serious about poors, govt should initiate 3 years community health degree course. This bill is threat to indigenous knowledge.

    Moreover, separate entrance exam for Ayush courses should be conducted. So that only willing candidates will join Ayush and not those who fail to get admission in MBBS.

    And, this bill is not going to have intended effect, as in many states, particularly north Indian states, Ayush doctors alreay do GP.
    If govt proposes separate exam for AYUSH then no one will come out to write these exams.........these practices are not lucrative at all.........no parents would want to send their child to these courses. And integrating it with allopathy would make this AYUSH thing more visible to public, and slowly this will come in mainstream along with allopathy..........so how can you say its a threat to indigenous knowledge?
  • I was avoiding to comment. But many derogatory comments are made by literate fools, so I am providing some points-
    1) This bill shouldn't be supported. It is not because Aayush practitioners lack competence. This bill is govt.'s short-sighted solution for health issues in Rural India. It will kill Aayush knowledge in long run. As Buddhism vanished from India, Ayurveda will vanish.
    2) I don't know about Homeopathic basic principales. But I know the person, who was cured of vitiligo by Homeopathic medicine. If anyone have little knowledge of medicine, one can understand placebo can not solve issue of skin problems.
    Not only this, renowned skin specialist had already said that, it was incurable. But Homeopathic medicine cured it.

    It's easy to criticize something because of ignorance, but it is difficult to study and accept truth.

    Bhai Integrated medicine could be good concept and a key to our healthcare sector. AYUSH doctors when equipped with modern medicine could become more efficient in their work as it is well known that our country has vast shortage of doctors.
    Licentiate for practice and pg is also a good move to bring in quality doctors.
    Why so much protest is there?
    Are MBBS doctors being insecure of entry of AYUSH doctors into modern medicine which might hurt their money interest?
    Surely, MBBS doctors are insecure. They prefer quacks, but not Ayush practitioners.

    My point is, if government is serious about poors, govt should initiate 3 years community health degree course. This bill is threat to indigenous knowledge.

    Moreover, separate entrance exam for Ayush courses should be conducted. So that only willing candidates will join Ayush and not those who fail to get admission in MBBS.

    And, this bill is not going to have intended effect, as in many states, particularly north Indian states, Ayush doctors alreay do GP.
    If govt proposes separate exam for AYUSH then no one will come out to write these exams.........these practices are not lucrative at all.........no parents would want to send their child to these courses. And integrating it with allopathy would make this AYUSH thing more visible to public, and slowly this will come in mainstream along with allopathy..........so how can you say its a threat to indigenous knowledge?

    1) Separate exam, so that students with right attitude will be admitted to these courses. Because Presently, most of students enter into Ayush courses, but they never practice Ayush. Instead, they prefer general practice.

    2) To make these courses attractive, need is to develop infrastructure (colleges+ hospitals) with good regular staff. And regular government jobs. It will make them lucrative.

    3)It is already VISIBLE. Govt.'s aim behind NMC Bill is not integrative therapy, but to provide cheap doctors, without developing new infrastructure.

    4) If need of hour is mainstreaming Ayush, then these subjects should also be part of MBBS curriculum also.
  • Any half educated person wknows that homeopathy is fake
    There is a lot and lot of study already being preformed (including mutiple doyble blind placebo control tests) which xonclusively prove homeopathy is quackery
    once again HUSTLE
  • I was avoiding to comment. But many derogatory comments are made by literate fools, so I am providing some points-
    1) This bill shouldn't be supported. It is not because Aayush practitioners lack competence. This bill is govt.'s short-sighted solution for health issues in Rural India. It will kill Aayush knowledge in long run. As Buddhism vanished from India, Ayurveda will vanish.
    2) I don't know about Homeopathic basic principales. But I know the person, who was cured of vitiligo by Homeopathic medicine. If anyone have little knowledge of medicine, one can understand placebo can not solve issue of skin problems.
    Not only this, renowned skin specialist had already said that, it was incurable. But Homeopathic medicine cured it.

    It's easy to criticize something because of ignorance, but it is difficult to study and accept truth.

    Bhai Integrated medicine could be good concept and a key to our healthcare sector. AYUSH doctors when equipped with modern medicine could become more efficient in their work as it is well known that our country has vast shortage of doctors.
    Licentiate for practice and pg is also a good move to bring in quality doctors.
    Why so much protest is there?
    Are MBBS doctors being insecure of entry of AYUSH doctors into modern medicine which might hurt their money interest?
    Surely, MBBS doctors are insecure. They prefer quacks, but not Ayush practitioners.

    My point is, if government is serious about poors, govt should initiate 3 years community health degree course. This bill is threat to indigenous knowledge.

    Moreover, separate entrance exam for Ayush courses should be conducted. So that only willing candidates will join Ayush and not those who fail to get admission in MBBS.

    And, this bill is not going to have intended effect, as in many states, particularly north Indian states, Ayush doctors alreay do GP.
    If govt proposes separate exam for AYUSH then no one will come out to write these exams.........these practices are not lucrative at all.........no parents would want to send their child to these courses. And integrating it with allopathy would make this AYUSH thing more visible to public, and slowly this will come in mainstream along with allopathy..........so how can you say its a threat to indigenous knowledge?

    1) Separate exam, so that students with right attitude will be admitted to these courses. Because Presently, most of students enter into Ayush courses, but they never practice Ayush. Instead, they prefer general practice.

    2) To make these courses attractive, need is to develop infrastructure (colleges+ hospitals) with good regular staff. And regular government jobs. It will make them lucrative.

    3)It is already VISIBLE. Govt.'s aim behind NMC Bill is not integrative therapy, but to provide cheap doctors, without developing new infrastructure.

    4) If need of hour is mainstreaming Ayush, then these subjects should also be part of MBBS curriculum also.
    Thanks....Great insight.
  • BDS (dental ) has a lot of overlapping syllabus with MBBS so thats justified
    But these others dont have any logic
    once again HUSTLE
  • Any half educated person wknows that homeopathy is fake
    There is a lot and lot of study already being preformed (including mutiple doyble blind placebo control tests) which xonclusively prove homeopathy is quackery

    Bro you are hell bent upon proving homeopathy fake...looks like you have had gone through a very bad experience. Going by your logic, government should have banned this practice but its still running it...actually promoting it.
  • Any half educated person wknows that homeopathy is fake
    There is a lot and lot of study already being preformed (including mutiple doyble blind placebo control tests) which xonclusively prove homeopathy is quackery

    Right bro. Only half educated person knows it and not fully educated.
    Educated people belive in what they see and what is right.
  • BDS (dental ) has a lot of overlapping syllabus with MBBS so thats justified
    But these others dont have any logic

    Is Ayurveda-yoga (OTHERS, according to you) illogical???
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