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india china border stand off- we are supposed to fight china not each other.

edited July 2017 in Political Science
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  • pakistan as they want china to attack India
  • Kejriwal will win :mrgreen: , as people will become mad on modi for losing to china and they will thus turn towards their last hope, their only hope, their lord and savior.....KEJRIWAL B)
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  • edited July 2017
    1) Kuch bhi nahi hoga.. No one is gonna win..

    2) Both the sides will ultimately retreat and the Status quo will be maintained.

    3) China ye sab isliye kar raha hai kyonki Uska asal maqsad India ko har front se pressurize karna hai.

    4) Iske pehle bhi kai baar Stand off hua hai, lekin kabhi bhi Bilateral trade yaa Mansarovar yaatra band NAHI ki gayi... Abhi bhi sirf Sikkim ke raaste Kailash Mansarovar tak jaane waala " Nathu - La " ko band kiya gaya hai... Lekin Uttarakhand mein jo " Lipulekh pass" wo abhi bhi As it is work kar raha hai.

    5) Indian Home ministry ne aisi kisi bhi baat ki sambhaavnaa se inkaar kiya hai ki Home ministry Bilateral trade ke tahat aane wale Chinese trucks ko diye jaane waale Security clearance ko review Karegi.....

    6) Union minister of State for Defence ne kaha hai ki -" We are finding a Diplomatic solution for this and this whole issue Should be solved diplomatically "... Which clearly means ki ye stand off kabhi bhi War mein Tabdeel NAHI hoga.

    7) Agar kabhi War hota hai ( jo ki kabhi bhi NAHI hoga) , lekin chalo agar maan le ek remote possibility mein ki ye Stand off War Two and half front War tak agar pahuch jata hai... Toh bhi in that case, India ko Bahut advantage rahega kyonki, India ka 27th Mountain division, Kalimpong mein sthit India ke 165 Mountain Brigade se jaake mil jaayega, which works under the 33 Corps, and this 33 Corps which directly report to the Eastern Army command headquartered in Fort William, Kolkata...This 33 military corps is responsible for the front with China...

    8) China isliye bhi India par Dabaav bana raha hai kyunki shayad China chaahta ho ki isi bahaane India ko compel kiya jaaye taaki India " OBOR " join kar le..

    Toh in a nutshell, baat ye hai ki kuch bhi Nahi hone waala.. Status quo maintain ho jaayega kuch din baad.. Kyonki abhi 2 din baad Indian Prime Minister and Chinese president, Hamburg Germany mein G20 Annual Summit mein milenge hi.. Tab saare issues ummeed hai resolve ho jaaye..
    Death is nothing , but to live defeated and inglorious , is to Die daily .
  • edited July 2017
    India is no position to fight a war with china. It has to back down. No other way.

    Thanks to the impotancy of congress govt when chinese walked into leh and part was illegaly provided by pakis to china the brilliant govt never put up any objection. They failed to assert india's claim on the area and followed the same lines as their first pm who thought china is a friend let us give them veto power it would be greatful to us. Now see the idiotic thought had not only cost us Unsc seat but also 1962 war. It defined the way chinese conduct the relation with india. They will dictate their terms and we have to follow else be prepared for war.

    China is a bully. Only way to stop a bully is to fight it. And unfortunately we can not afford that yet.
    Man is sometimes extraordinarily, passionately, in love with suffering.
  • haha... woody u have fallen for propaganda .... india was never offered any unsc seat by the UN itself... it was individual powers that offered india to be at Unsc, but in the cold war time if one power offered other opposed it... it was plain gimmickry from the big powers of that time to bend india on their side so at to strengthen their position in south asia...

    regarding aksai chin, i think there is a lot of problem in interpretation, this led to conflict in western sector .

    But if News papers are to believed then China in 1960s was amenable to trade off between aksai chin and claim on south tibet... in the present context it seems best solution, basically confirming what respective country has. ... but with china u never know... had we agreed then and china reclaimed arunachal a few years later, it would have been worse thing to happen...
  • Okay. Time to get this straight and away with this Nehru bashing. China was one of the victors of World War 2. She fought a bloody battle with Japan from 1937 to 1945 and resisted the invasion to some extent losing only some parts. They were one of the 5 great powers who won the World War 2 and hence permanent members of Security Council. The fact that this status went to the tiny Taiwan due to Anti-Communism politics by the West does not take away their claim. They were already a major power then. They would have got the status sooner or later with or without India's support.

    Nehru realized this and tried to make friendship with them as we could not afford straight fight with them. This might be true even now. Any prudent leader of a nation would have done the same. It didn't work out because they were hell bent on getting the territory they wanted to. So please stop saying that we gave them their UN security seat. It was not ours to give. Nehru supported the cause to maintain good relations that ultimately didn't work out. Put any other leader in his place and contemplate what he could have done in the same situation.

    This is what Mao said before the war - "Rather than being constantly accused of aggression, it's better to show the world what really happens when China indeed moves its muscles."
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  • :o
    Mera IR bada kamjor hai. Mai to thik thak samajhta tha. :(

    Dafuq books you guys read for ir! Mujhe bhi batao.
    Man is sometimes extraordinarily, passionately, in love with suffering.
  • :o
    Mera IR bada kamjor hai. Mai to thik thak samajhta tha. :(

    Dafuq books you guys read for ir! Mujhe bhi batao.

    nahi i read it in quora, with some logical and fact based analysis given there, books are giving coloured version of events, this way or that way.
    i think most indians still believe nehru was responsible for losing UNSC seat.. :D , poor man may have sinned but this was not his fault...
    shashi tharoor has said something regarding the same... go through this...

    its never wise to follow colored version of events, we then move away from facts and eventually lose ground under the feet :)
  • who will win?

    This thread wins.

  • i somehow feel many machos in media and jobless trolls are longing for a war , for a while now.
    i just wish this mindset is not carried in the govt itself without losing sight of ground realities.
  • we ll remind them 1967... :#
    padh lo bho#*sdwalon meri tarah banne main saat janam lagenge - Bill Gates
  • India will not be the first one to start the war but india will not be the first one to back off either..sukhois and laser guided bombs are ready!!
    Part of being a winner is knowing when enough is enough. Sometimes you have to give up the fight and walk away, and move on to something that's more productive.

  • edited July 2017
    Aur China khud bhi thoda Ghabraaya hua hai...

    Abhi 10th July se Bay of Bengal mein shuru hone waali India USA Japan, Malabar Naval Exercise ke kaaran thoda Tension mein hai China... Abhi kai saare Frigates, Yuan Class Diesel Electric Engine Submarine, Warships,,, PLA kisi na kisi Bahaane Indian Ocean Region mein bhej raha hai... ( Matlab Kutte ki tarah Soonghne ke liye) .

    Djibouti mein Naval Base alag bana liya hai China ne... Toh Horn of Africa tak Apni Submarines ko aaram se bhej raha hai China, ye dekhne ke liye ki India kya kya kar raha hai udhar..

    Lekin tension mein hai China.. Jabse ye pata chala hai ki USA India ko Guardian predator drones dene ke liye taiyar ho gaya hai.. Aur Isreal bhi HeronTP UAV India ko supply karega... Neend ud gayi hai China ki.

    Indian Navy ne alag Maritime Surveillance Aircraft P-8I se, aur Naval Reconnaissance Satellite Rukmini ( GSAT 7) se China ke IOR mein hone waale har ek move par nazar rakhna shuru kar diya hai...

    Toh Tension mein toh DEFINITELY hai Dragon..

    Isi Ghabraahat mein wo Stand off jaise issues ko badha chadhaa raha hai, taaki India par har tarah se Dabaav daala jaa sake.
    Death is nothing , but to live defeated and inglorious , is to Die daily .
  • edited July 2017

    Aur China khud bhi thoda Ghabraaya hua hai...

    Abhi 10th July se Bay of Bengal mein shuru hone waali India USA Japan, Malabar Naval Exercise ke kaaran thoda Tension mein hai China... Abhi kai saare Frigates, Yuan Class Diesel Electric Engine Submarine, Warships,,, PLA kisi na kisi Bahaane Indian Ocean Region mein bhej raha hai... ( Matlab Kutte ki tarah Soonghne ke liye) .

    Djibouti mein Naval Base alag bana liya hai China ne... Toh Horn of Africa tak Apni Submarines ko aaram se bhej raha hai China, ye dekhne ke liye ki India kya kya kar raha hai udhar..

    Lekin tension mein hai China.. Jabse ye pata chala hai ki USA India ko Guardian predator drones dene ke liye taiyar ho gaya hai.. Aur Isreal bhi HeronTP UAV India ko supply karega... Neend ud gayi hai China ki.

    Indian Navy ne alag Maritime Surveillance Aircraft P-8I se, aur Naval Reconnaissance Satellite Rukmini ( GSAT 7) se China ke IOR mein hone waale har ek move par nazar rakhna shuru kar diya hai...

    Toh Tension mein toh DEFINITELY hai Dragon..

    Isi Ghabraahat mein wo Stand off jaise issues ko badha chadhaa raha hai, taaki India par har tarah se Dabaav daala jaa sake.

    Me to bore ho raha tha to is liye lofty reply kar dia is thread me...baki China kyo tense hoga india se..India doesn't have significant economic importance for China..a bilateral trade of around 75 billion dollars can't be leveraged against China. Militarily we are far weaker too. Though nothing sort of 1962 would happen but we can't win either.
    P.S. INDIA is not in a position to wage a war. For next 30 years atleast our focus must be industrial development, job creation and agricultural prosperity. Like civil Services aspirants, india should ignore the world for some decades and focus in real domestic economic problems like China did in 1970s and 80s, Japan did 1870-1890, USA did 1870-1890 1 crore new jobs create karni hai annually but less than 1 million hi create kar rahe hum log...ab isse badi problem to koi nahi dikhayi deti mujhe
    Part of being a winner is knowing when enough is enough. Sometimes you have to give up the fight and walk away, and move on to something that's more productive.

  • edited July 2017
    ^ Bhai War toh hoga NAHI.. Ye maine mere sabse pehle comment mein hi likh diya tha..

    Baaki sahi kaha aapne, Employment creation should be our first priority.. ( Politically, BJP ke liye bahut important issue hai, kyonki har baar Nationalism ke naam par Vote NAHI milne waale... Jab tak Rozgar nahi hoga logon ke paas, jab tak Jeb mein paisa Nahi hoga,,, Tab tak Koi Vote Nahi milega ab BJP ko) .

    Par, Diplomatic upheavals kabhi kabhi is tarah ke ho jaate hain... And I seriously don't think ki ye Stand off itna Bada issue hai... Aisa pehle Bhi kai baar hua hai...
    Death is nothing , but to live defeated and inglorious , is to Die daily .
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  • edited July 2017
    do read abt border skirmish of 1967 we killed their 400... we lost only around 80 lives...
    padh lo bho#*sdwalon meri tarah banne main saat janam lagenge - Bill Gates
  • 1ManArmy said:

    who will win?

    This thread wins.

    it is not questions of winning or losing , ..relation with India will affect further and push it more towards US which sees India as counterbalance to cina...such act will also antagonize other smaller nations bordering China like Vietnam more ....you can see it as land grabbing by a bigger powerful country...on military perspective,construction of road would have made military logistics swift and easier which will be disadvantage to India..Sikkim border was supposed to be resolved long back but creation of problems by China in settled borders puts a question of its commitment to international Peace and harmony
  • Okay. Time to get this straight and away with this Nehru bashing. China was one of the victors of World War 2. She fought a bloody battle with Japan from 1937 to 1945 and resisted the invasion to some extent losing only some parts. They were one of the 5 great powers who won the World War 2 and hence permanent members of Security Council. The fact that this status went to the tiny Taiwan due to Anti-Communism politics by the West does not take away their claim. They were already a major power then. They would have got the status sooner or later with or without India's support.

    Nehru realized this and tried to make friendship with them as we could not afford straight fight with them. This might be true even now. Any prudent leader of a nation would have done the same. It didn't work out because they were hell bent on getting the territory they wanted to. So please stop saying that we gave them their UN security seat. It was not ours to give. Nehru supported the cause to maintain good relations that ultimately didn't work out. Put any other leader in his place and contemplate what he could have done in the same situation.

    This is what Mao said before the war - "Rather than being constantly accused of aggression, it's better to show the world what really happens when China indeed moves its muscles."

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  • reminds me of this song written for those braves died in 1962... neheru cried listening to this song
    padh lo bho#*sdwalon meri tarah banne main saat janam lagenge - Bill Gates
  • reminds me of this song written for those braves died in 1962... neheru cried listening to this song

    Oh drop that crying crap. He laughed off on deaths of ina soldiers never recognised them as freedom fighters either. They were termed as deserters because of nehru's hatered towards subhash chandra bose.
    Man is sometimes extraordinarily, passionately, in love with suffering.
  • reminds me of this song written for those braves died in 1962... neheru cried listening to this song

    Ddoesn't change the fact that he was stupid and greedy enough to rule till death. Ask any old timer from north east or someone whose forefathers served in that war they will tell you how nehru sent our army to die in cold without warm clothings. USA took pity and donated some clothes and the people from assam gave what they had. And who can forget his "very emotional" good bye to the people of assam.
    And lets not forget he was incharge of kashmir negotiations. The ruler of kashmir signed the same papers as all the other rulers of india(dd basu). But nehru single-handedly turned it into a mess.
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  • edited July 2017
    didnt knew that there are so many pussy cats on forum who say that india cant fight war with china when a tiny country like vietnam routed chinese thoroughly in 1979 war. remember how vietnam defeated usa supported by commi countries likewise in case of war all democratic nations of the world will rally behind india esp usa,japan, and australia. albeit india can single handedly protect ourselves against china. forum is full of pussies even if entire northeast gets cut off from mainland then also these pussy cats will says bhaar mein gaya northeast we want job creation, cheap mobile phones...lullus :D :D :D
  • edited July 2017
    nehru went on a mission to project himself as a world statesman before making India strong,its not the personal charisma of leader who symbolises the strength of a country ,but its a strong country which gives wight to its leader.mao maintained low profile on international level and worked in domestic affairs and china is today what it is due to the focus on domestic affairs in initial phase.India with two hostiile big neighbours couldnt make its domestic defence manufacturing industry,means just imagine the amount of recklessness in previous regimes policies.had israel not helped with amunitions during kargil,things could have been worse.there r many mistakes during intital foreign policy.it was patel who insisted that kashmir rulers signs instriuments of accession before india could assist it againt pakistan.patel had asked to send police to goa and liberate it,but nehru resisted,finally after both leaders had passed,india had to do the same to liberate goa.india went to UN on kashmir n it backfired.fascination with socialism and leftism has cost india more.means it took so many years for PM to make first visit to israel who is our most trusted defence supplier,they supplied ammunitions without any paper work and advance paymengt during kargil war and sent a team in chartered flight to India to assist us in operations.and no indian leader dared to visit israel just because of some hypothetical(or may be real) thinking that their vote bank would get affected,if sectarian considerations influence our national policies,India wont be able to stand any nation.Indira gandhi was one such leader who handled foreign policy effectively,and Now its the "greatest PM on earth", Modi (as per israeli media) who is doing wonderful job in foreign policy.Israeli media reprted that this visit by Modi matters more than Trumps visit to israel.btw israel has helped India in 1962,1971 and kargil wars.it was the first country to call east pakistan east bengal after 1971 war,even USSR was not ready to call it east bengal,a staunch india ally that time.one of the most straightforwrad supporters of indias stand on kashmir and yet we couldnt make a single visit in last 70 years,India was the first non muslim state to recognise palestine btw. :D
  • nehru went on a mission to project himself as a world statesman before making India strong,its not the personal charisma of leader who symbolises the strength of a country ,but its a strong country which gives wight to its leader.mao maintained low profile on international level and worked in domestic affairs and china is today what it is due to the focus on domestic affairs in initial phase.India with two hostiile big neighbours couldnt make its domestic defence manufacturing industry,means just imagine the amount of recklessness in previous regimes policies.had israel not helped with amunitions during kargil,things could have been worse.there r many mistakes during intital foreign policy.it was patel who insisted that kashmir rulers signs instriuments of accession before india could assist it againt pakistan.patel had asked to send police to goa and liberate it,but nehru resisted,finally after both leaders had passed,india had to do the same to liberate goa.india went to UN on kashmir n it backfired.fascination with socialism and leftism has cost india more.means it took so many years for PM to make first visit to israel who is our most trusted defence supplier,they supplied ammunitions without any paper work and advance paymengt during kargil war and sent a team in chartered flight to India to assist us in operations.and no indian leader dared to visit israel just because of some hypothetical(or may be real) thinking that their vote bank would get affected,if sectarian considerations influence our national policies,India wont be able to stand any nation.Indira gandhi was one such leader who handled foreign policy effectively,and Now its the "greatest PM on earth", Modi (as per israeli media) who is doing wonderful job in foreign policy.Israeli media reprted that this visit by Modi matters more than Trumps visit to israel.btw israel has helped India in 1962,1971 and kargil wars.it was the first country to call east pakistan east bengal after 1971 war,even USSR was not ready to call it east bengal,a staunch india ally that time.one of the most straightforwrad supporters of indias stand on kashmir and yet we couldnt make a single visit in last 70 years,India was the first non muslim state to recognise palestine btw. :D

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  • BR ambedkar was the only leader who had resisted the article 370 and infact abstained that day from meeting of assembly when this article was being passed,most probably he said it would be treason if he accepted article 370.but nehrus support to sheikhs(even patel was hesitant but nehrus insistence made him go by it) demand of article 370 helped it sail through and we are reaping what we sowed.
  • edited July 2017

    India is no position to fight a war with china. It has to back down. No other way.

    Thanks to the impotancy of congress govt when chinese walked into leh and part was illegaly provided by pakis to china the brilliant govt never put up any objection. They failed to assert india's claim on the area and followed the same lines as their first pm who thought china is a friend let us give them veto power it would be greatful to us. Now see the idiotic thought had not only cost us Unsc seat but also 1962 war. It defined the way chinese conduct the relation with india. They will dictate their terms and we have to follow else be prepared for war.

    China is a bully. Only way to stop a bully is to fight it. And unfortunately we can not afford that yet.

    u are such a pussy..u can only organise protest to get extra attempts in upsc.. :D :D fyi india can efficiently fight china.. B)
  • BR ambedkar was the only leader who had resisted the article 370 and infact abstained that day from meeting of assembly when this article was being passed,most probably he said it would be treason if he accepted article 370.but nehrus support to sheikhs(even patel was hesitant but nehrus insistence made him go by it) demand of article 370 helped it sail through and we are reaping what we sowed.

    nehru lived in a delusional world..
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