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What do you think of the bombings by USA, Britain & France on Syria?

Another Iraq? World War 3? More ISIS clones? It did not work in Iraq & Libya. Why would it work now? Is it wrong to use chemical weapons even when foreign powers have been illegally supporting insurgents with weapons & money leading to menace like ISIS? Why?

Lastly: What side should India take on Syria & in case of WW3 between (Russia, China, Iran) & (USA, European Union, Israel & Australia)?
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  • This bombing will clear whether Russia and China are only barking lions or real ones..nothing more will happen
  • Therr is no evidence that chemical weapons werr used. It can be very well a scripted play preformed by anti govt forces using children. No Govt in todays world wil use chemical weapon when they know how bad the consequences can be when more than half of the world power is against.
    Ao who can gain from such chemical attacks- ofcourse - Rebels, Military Complex of US.
    India will not take any side as of now - LAMOA will make us to help US somewhat.
  • Nothing to say on Bombings, just another foreign policy to strengthen their national interests. No one is a saint.

    Wars will no more be fought with men on the land, between the countries. People are well aware of the circumstances that will follow. Wars will be fought using the tools of economics and technology(Cyber, Bio etc). Such a war (World war 3 if you can call it) has already started a few years ago and it will go on for some time until we see some drastic effects in the world economy. Then, some measures will be taken as a form of agreement, someone will be made a scapegoat and new ways of wars will be discovered. The cycle just goes on and on.

  • it has just made more visible what's already known. The modus operandi follows the same old script vis allege chemical weapon use, coerce European fags to follow your line, launch a strike , rhetoric about how your actions were self-righteous. there will be some flurry of news for a few days and then everything comes back to normal except the life of civilians caught in this crossfire
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  • it has just made more visible what's already known. The modus operandi follows the same old script vis allege chemical weapon use, coerce European fags to follow your line, launch a strike , rhetoric about how your actions were self-righteous. there will be some flurry of news for a few days and then everything comes back to normal except the life of civilians caught in this crossfire

    It's all a tactic, if they don't do such things, how are they going to convince their public about their whopping defence expenditure. In the end, it's all about filling the pockets. Money rules the world.

  • it has just made more visible what's already known. The modus operandi follows the same old script vis allege chemical weapon use, coerce European fags to follow your line, launch a strike , rhetoric about how your actions were self-righteous. there will be some flurry of news for a few days and then everything comes back to normal except the life of civilians caught in this crossfire

    he is doing exactly opposite of what he said he would do during election campaign. the world had great hopes with trump coming to power that USA and Russia will have improved relations. unfortunately, Mr trump is making the same mistakes obama and bush did.

    Assad has no reason to use chemical weapons in a province which he has pretty much won back from the rebels/ISIS. anyway, the world is not fool to fall for this NATO conceived propaganda!
    Do not go gentle into that good night
  • pizzza said:


    it has just made more visible what's already known. The modus operandi follows the same old script vis allege chemical weapon use, coerce European fags to follow your line, launch a strike , rhetoric about how your actions were self-righteous. there will be some flurry of news for a few days and then everything comes back to normal except the life of civilians caught in this crossfire

    It's all a tactic, if they don't do such things, how are they going to convince their public about their whopping defence expenditure. In the end, it's all about filling the pockets. Money rules the world.
    yes the nexus between the politicians and the arms industries is probably at play here, same thing applie for gun laws....
    it's all money money money
    it must be funny in a rich man's world...
  • Without commenting on the truthfulness of allegations regarding "alleged chemical attack", I would like to point out one thing. Once it had come out in the MSM (mains stream media) that a chemical attack had occured, the present narrative of Trump bashing post Syrian strikes in MSM has gone too far. Syria strikes would have occured under any Presidency. That's how US military works. That they are not engaging in civil war directly, is a lesson they have learnt from Iraq and Afghanistan debacles. Effective or not, strikes were the only face saver for US military's world police image.

    Regarding fallouts - Nothing will happen to be observed at macro-level. Strikes were not that widespread and were carefully executed. Russians will outrage a bit. Assad will continuing killings civilians. Some re-alignments will occur within Syria.
    One sub-plot within all this is Iran-Israel rivalry. This will surely see some intensification in coming days.

    India will try to remain nuetral as far as it could.

    And no, this won't trigger any WW3. Trump clearly said, Middles East mess has to be tackled by ME countries alone. How far the World Power proxies will let that to happen is a separate question.
    हो मेरा काम ग़रीबों की हिमायत करना
    दर्द-मंदों से, ज़ईफ़ों से, मोहब्बत करना
    Round 3
  • I consider myself fortunate enough that i m not syrian. Though being indian is also not always a proud feeling #kathua :#
  • Shows how people are not willing to believe whatever their leaders say.

    We don't know Whether the chemical weapons exist in those three Syrian Research facilities. Russia and co. says No. While, US and co. says Yes. Public do not know the truth.

    Even if it exists, who has the authority to strike? Is it the West or the UN?

    When there is a conflict of views between world powers, UN becomes dysfunct League of Nations.
    When there is a conflict between a world power and a nation, UN becomes an agency of West.

    Increasingly, I am developing a view that the next World War is being prevented so far, not by Institutional efforts of UN, but by wills of the leaders of world powers.

    And, as we have seen in the history, leaders' wills are unreliable and subject to whims.

    Takeaways,
    - UN is dying, so reform UN to survive.
    - Superpower is not the exclusive domain of one or two nations, but the cooperative and collective power of all nations must become a Superpower.
    - Strengthen democracy in West and Install democracy in Russia/China. Both depends on people's ability to discriminate what is Truth.

    "Happiness of future generation is the responsibility of present generation. Jus how parents feel responsible towards their children".
    Prelims : 2/2. Mains : 0/2. 24 years. "Thats how you devour a whale ; One bite at a time"
  • Kek said:

    Shows how people are not willing to believe whatever their leaders say.

    We don't know Whether the chemical weapons exist in those three Syrian Research facilities. Russia and co. says No. While, US and co. says Yes. Public do not know the truth.

    Even if it exists, who has the authority to strike? Is it the West or the UN?

    When there is a conflict of views between world powers, UN becomes dysfunct League of Nations.
    When there is a conflict between a world power and a nation, UN becomes an agency of West.

    Increasingly, I am developing a view that the next World War is being prevented so far, not by Institutional efforts of UN, but by wills of the leaders of world powers.

    And, as we have seen in the history, leaders' wills are unreliable and subject to whims.

    Takeaways,
    - UN is dying, so reform UN to survive.
    - Superpower is not the exclusive domain of one or two nations, but the cooperative and collective power of all nations must become a Superpower.
    - Strengthen democracy in West and Install democracy in Russia/China. Both depends on people's ability to discriminate what is Truth.

    "Happiness of future generation is the responsibility of present generation. Jus how parents feel responsible towards their children".

    All points are good except- installing democracy in Russia and China. Will you plewse care to mention your sources for such an opinion. That is too extreme of a statement. You mean they dont have democracy there?
    China has 1 party system but still anyone who wishes to join that party can join. There is an internal democracy within d party - all the posts from bottom to top iare decided by elections- and see the case in India- our political party themselves have no internal democracy- no internal election to decide or select candidate for MP MLa election- Only money rules- one can say China's political system is more democratic than Indias'.
    And for Russia- why do you think they dont hace democracy? They r having periodic elections, West can raise questions that they were not fair then what democrats did with Sanders was fair. Here in India our politician easliy grab votes with India Pakistan and Hindu Muslim, isnt soemthing similar we see there in Amercia- what Mr Trump did to win election. It is democrats who have actually destroyed USA in last election by Making sure to keep Sanders out - now is that a democracy?
    If Russia or China is evil then USA is d biggest of them- all the world problem starts from there.

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  • one thing as pointed above....united nations has become a joke. some 8 years back UN president post commanded so much respect and prestige now hardly anyone gives a fuck to UN or its president. world bank or imf chief has much more respect than him.....while typing this i literally googled to know who is current president of un....

    america sees war as an instrument for its economic growth. it will keep creating crisis across the world.
    Sabka maalik domino
  • domino said:

    one thing as pointed above....united nations has become a joke. some 8 years back UN president post commanded so much respect and prestige now hardly anyone gives a fuck to UN or its president. world bank or imf chief has much more respect than him.....while typing this i literally googled to know who is current president of un....

    america sees war as an instrument for its economic growth. it will keep creating crisis across the world.

    we all know why un was created lol. It was meant to be this.
  • When I creat threads on socialism, justice etc. no one comments. And here on this US-UN gibberish people would waste their time. You are being triggered by wrong things unless you have an interview coming up.
  • When I creat threads on socialism, justice etc. no one comments. And here on this US-UN gibberish people would waste their time. You are being triggered by wrong things unless you have an interview coming up.

    Just a bunch of IFS aspirants here ....
    Sabka maalik domino
  • When I creat threads on socialism, justice etc. no one comments. And here on this US-UN gibberish people would waste their time. You are being triggered by wrong things unless you have an interview coming up.

    Few people did comment there, I was one of them.
  • domino said:

    When I creat threads on socialism, justice etc. no one comments. And here on this US-UN gibberish people would waste their time. You are being triggered by wrong things unless you have an interview coming up.

    Just a bunch of IFS aspirants here ....
    ok
  • When I creat threads on socialism, justice etc. no one comments. And here on this US-UN gibberish people would waste their time. You are being triggered by wrong things unless you have an interview coming up.

    Few people did comment there, I was one of them.
    yeah
  • I think they are doing it because they are the good terrorists fighting against bad terrorists... Competetive terrorism
  • Kek said:

    Shows how people are not willing to believe whatever their leaders say.

    We don't know Whether the chemical weapons exist in those three Syrian Research facilities. Russia and co. says No. While, US and co. says Yes. Public do not know the truth.

    Even if it exists, who has the authority to strike? Is it the West or the UN?

    When there is a conflict of views between world powers, UN becomes dysfunct League of Nations.
    When there is a conflict between a world power and a nation, UN becomes an agency of West.

    Increasingly, I am developing a view that the next World War is being prevented so far, not by Institutional efforts of UN, but by wills of the leaders of world powers.

    And, as we have seen in the history, leaders' wills are unreliable and subject to whims.

    Takeaways,
    - UN is dying, so reform UN to survive.
    - Superpower is not the exclusive domain of one or two nations, but the cooperative and collective power of all nations must become a Superpower.
    - Strengthen democracy in West and Install democracy in Russia/China. Both depends on people's ability to discriminate what is Truth.

    "Happiness of future generation is the responsibility of present generation. Jus how parents feel responsible towards their children".

    All points are good except- installing democracy in Russia and China. Will you plewse care to mention your sources for such an opinion. That is too extreme of a statement. You mean they dont have democracy there?
    China has 1 party system but still anyone who wishes to join that party can join. There is an internal democracy within d party - all the posts from bottom to top iare decided by elections- and see the case in India- our political party themselves have no internal democracy- no internal election to decide or select candidate for MP MLa election- Only money rules- one can say China's political system is more democratic than Indias'.
    And for Russia- why do you think they dont hace democracy? They r having periodic elections, West can raise questions that they were not fair then what democrats did with Sanders was fair. Here in India our politician easliy grab votes with India Pakistan and Hindu Muslim, isnt soemthing similar we see there in Amercia- what Mr Trump did to win election. It is democrats who have actually destroyed USA in last election by Making sure to keep Sanders out - now is that a democracy?
    If Russia or China is evil then USA is d biggest of them- all the world problem starts from there.

    I respectively disagree. Democracy is not only about conducting election, but about freedom to disagree with your government and freedom to live the life in your way. It is true that process can be messy. Imagine, running a government, without blocking the critics who constantly try to de-legitimise it.

    Institutionally India has a stupendous system. There are some faults - which will be rectified in the due course.

    Simply put, u r ranting against our country's politicians and system, without the fear of being monitoring and prosecuted by Government. Well, thats democracy. One cannot do that in China/Russia.

    Unless and until the voice of the 'responsible' becomes constructive and leads to a solution, Democratic system in place will not likely to improve. So, the onus is not only on the state, but on you, me and us.

    Its just my opinion. I may be completely wrong as I am a student, not a professor. :)
    Prelims : 2/2. Mains : 0/2. 24 years. "Thats how you devour a whale ; One bite at a time"
  • We have a good fundamentals. Thanks to Const and awesome Indian culture. Its just that people coming to power are not upto expectations.

    I am wondering, who are these politicians. They are also part of us, part of society and part of the 'Indian community'.

    If there is something wrong about them, the blame is on us too. And, I m not only talking about voting. Its much more than that.
    Prelims : 2/2. Mains : 0/2. 24 years. "Thats how you devour a whale ; One bite at a time"
  • Kek said:

    Kek said:

    Shows how people are not willing to believe whatever their leaders say.

    We don't know Whether the chemical weapons exist in those three Syrian Research facilities. Russia and co. says No. While, US and co. says Yes. Public do not know the truth.

    Even if it exists, who has the authority to strike? Is it the West or the UN?

    When there is a conflict of views between world powers, UN becomes dysfunct League of Nations.
    When there is a conflict between a world power and a nation, UN becomes an agency of West.

    Increasingly, I am developing a view that the next World War is being prevented so far, not by Institutional efforts of UN, but by wills of the leaders of world powers.

    And, as we have seen in the history, leaders' wills are unreliable and subject to whims.

    Takeaways,
    - UN is dying, so reform UN to survive.
    - Superpower is not the exclusive domain of one or two nations, but the cooperative and collective power of all nations must become a Superpower.
    - Strengthen democracy in West and Install democracy in Russia/China. Both depends on people's ability to discriminate what is Truth.

    "Happiness of future generation is the responsibility of present generation. Jus how parents feel responsible towards their children".

    All points are good except- installing democracy in Russia and China. Will you plewse care to mention your sources for such an opinion. That is too extreme of a statement. You mean they dont have democracy there?
    China has 1 party system but still anyone who wishes to join that party can join. There is an internal democracy within d party - all the posts from bottom to top iare decided by elections- and see the case in India- our political party themselves have no internal democracy- no internal election to decide or select candidate for MP MLa election- Only money rules- one can say China's political system is more democratic than Indias'.
    And for Russia- why do you think they dont hace democracy? They r having periodic elections, West can raise questions that they were not fair then what democrats did with Sanders was fair. Here in India our politician easliy grab votes with India Pakistan and Hindu Muslim, isnt soemthing similar we see there in Amercia- what Mr Trump did to win election. It is democrats who have actually destroyed USA in last election by Making sure to keep Sanders out - now is that a democracy?
    If Russia or China is evil then USA is d biggest of them- all the world problem starts from there.

    I respectively disagree. Democracy is not only about conducting election, but about freedom to disagree with your government and freedom to live the life in your way. It is true that process can be messy. Imagine, running a government, without blocking the critics who constantly try to de-legitimise it.

    Institutionally India has a stupendous system. There are some faults - which will be rectified in the due course.

    Simply put, u r ranting against our country's politicians and system, without the fear of being monitoring and prosecuted by Government. Well, thats democracy. One cannot do that in China/Russia.

    Unless and until the voice of the 'responsible' becomes constructive and leads to a solution, Democratic system in place will not likely to improve. So, the onus is not only on the state, but on you, me and us.

    Its just my opinion. I may be completely wrong as I am a student, not a professor. :)
    I just cannot disagree more and yez I m ranting but raising difficult question of our political system which u find ranting- maybe u r thinking from such discussion from interview point of view.
    As I see - My friend- ur democracy defn is very shallow- it includes Social, Political and Economic democracy. Try to read more abt it and see which one applies to China or Russis or India. You ll be amazed to know that in US - one cannot have a communist party - now can we call US a proper democracy.
    Just an advise, try not see things in just black n white, there r many bands if shades out there- u need to boraden ur horizon to see the complete picture.
    Anyway - I don't have to go that far in history to give u example how democracy is functioning in our country- example of Khanaya Kumar, Jignesh Mewani, SSC Protest - where some were detained illegally by Govt and some were just beaten up or neglected totally.
    I just see ur answer is made to please UPSC interview or examiner in GS mains paper - they r far away from reality.
    The game which our Central Govt is playing with Delhi Govt is another good example how democracy functions here.
    And if u think someone need to instill democracy in Russia n China- my friend u r free to have this unisided illl informed view about democracy n geo-politics - try this in UPSC iinterview.
    As u said u r an aspirant, we all here r aspirant ( ecxept few) but keeping urself blindfolded and having a unisided view will onlt hamper your chances of success in UPSC and more importantly life in general.
    Yes I ve emphasized on unisided and illinformrd bcoz I would not use the word Rant here as I am constructively criticising your view based on ur writing.
  • Kek said:

    We have a good fundamentals. Thanks to Const and awesome Indian culture. Its just that people coming to power are not upto expectations.

    I am wondering, who are these politicians. They are also part of us, part of society and part of the 'Indian community'.

    If there is something wrong about them, the blame is on us too. And, I m not only talking about voting. Its much more than that.

    Now that is a self contradictory statement.
  • I think Syria has become a battleground for two superpowers to vent out their frustration and continue their age long rivalry, earlier in the form of cold war and now direct confrontation in Syria which indicates a deepening crisis and trust deficit apart from dwindling balance from multipolar world towards a highly concentrated bipolar grouping and NAM is not in relevance, so eventually India will be a part of any of these two groupings with passing time because neutrality/inaction from india's side will lead to further suspicions. UN has substantial amount of American staff and it raises suspicion/eyebrows of Russia which in fact can weild considerable influence in UN being a permanent security Council member and through it's friend China, hence they may term actions taken by UN peacekeeping forces as one sided
  • Kek said:

    Kek said:

    Shows how people are not willing to believe whatever their leaders say.

    We don't know Whether the chemical weapons exist in those three Syrian Research facilities. Russia and co. says No. While, US and co. says Yes. Public do not know the truth.

    Even if it exists, who has the authority to strike? Is it the West or the UN?

    When there is a conflict of views between world powers, UN becomes dysfunct League of Nations.
    When there is a conflict between a world power and a nation, UN becomes an agency of West.

    Increasingly, I am developing a view that the next World War is being prevented so far, not by Institutional efforts of UN, but by wills of the leaders of world powers.

    And, as we have seen in the history, leaders' wills are unreliable and subject to whims.

    Takeaways,
    - UN is dying, so reform UN to survive.
    - Superpower is not the exclusive domain of one or two nations, but the cooperative and collective power of all nations must become a Superpower.
    - Strengthen democracy in West and Install democracy in Russia/China. Both depends on people's ability to discriminate what is Truth.

    "Happiness of future generation is the responsibility of present generation. Jus how parents feel responsible towards their children".

    All points are good except- installing democracy in Russia and China. Will you plewse care to mention your sources for such an opinion. That is too extreme of a statement. You mean they dont have democracy there?
    China has 1 party system but still anyone who wishes to join that party can join. There is an internal democracy within d party - all the posts from bottom to top iare decided by elections- and see the case in India- our political party themselves have no internal democracy- no internal election to decide or select candidate for MP MLa election- Only money rules- one can say China's political system is more democratic than Indias'.
    And for Russia- why do you think they dont hace democracy? They r having periodic elections, West can raise questions that they were not fair then what democrats did with Sanders was fair. Here in India our politician easliy grab votes with India Pakistan and Hindu Muslim, isnt soemthing similar we see there in Amercia- what Mr Trump did to win election. It is democrats who have actually destroyed USA in last election by Making sure to keep Sanders out - now is that a democracy?
    If Russia or China is evil then USA is d biggest of them- all the world problem starts from there.

    I respectively disagree. Democracy is not only about conducting election, but about freedom to disagree with your government and freedom to live the life in your way. It is true that process can be messy. Imagine, running a government, without blocking the critics who constantly try to de-legitimise it.

    Institutionally India has a stupendous system. There are some faults - which will be rectified in the due course.

    Simply put, u r ranting against our country's politicians and system, without the fear of being monitoring and prosecuted by Government. Well, thats democracy. One cannot do that in China/Russia.

    Unless and until the voice of the 'responsible' becomes constructive and leads to a solution, Democratic system in place will not likely to improve. So, the onus is not only on the state, but on you, me and us.

    Its just my opinion. I may be completely wrong as I am a student, not a professor. :)
    I just cannot disagree more and yez I m ranting but raising difficult question of our political system which u find ranting- maybe u r thinking from such discussion from interview point of view.
    As I see - My friend- ur democracy defn is very shallow- it includes Social, Political and Economic democracy. Try to read more abt it and see which one applies to China or Russis or India. You ll be amazed to know that in US - one cannot have a communist party - now can we call US a proper democracy.
    Just an advise, try not see things in just black n white, there r many bands if shades out there- u need to boraden ur horizon to see the complete picture.
    Anyway - I don't have to go that far in history to give u example how democracy is functioning in our country- example of Khanaya Kumar, Jignesh Mewani, SSC Protest - where some were detained illegally by Govt and some were just beaten up or neglected totally.
    I just see ur answer is made to please UPSC interview or examiner in GS mains paper - they r far away from reality.
    The game which our Central Govt is playing with Delhi Govt is another good example how democracy functions here.
    And if u think someone need to instill democracy in Russia n China- my friend u r free to have this unisided illl informed view about democracy n geo-politics - try this in UPSC iinterview.
    As u said u r an aspirant, we all here r aspirant ( ecxept few) but keeping urself blindfolded and having a unisided view will onlt hamper your chances of success in UPSC and more importantly life in general.
    Yes I ve emphasized on unisided and illinformrd bcoz I would not use the word Rant here as I am constructively criticising your view based on ur writing.
    Firstly, Thanks for taking out your precious time to educate me. Appreciate it
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  • I will try to process those arguments, which at first sight seems unconvincing. Maybe there is rationale, deeply hidden and perhaps I need bigger brain to dig it up

    Thanks again man for all the free advises :)

    Best wishes for all the endeavours n ur life
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  • Kek said:

    I will try to process those arguments, which at first sight seems unconvincing. Maybe there is rationale, deeply hidden and perhaps I need bigger brain to dig it up

    Thanks again man for all the free advises :)

    Best wishes for all the endeavours n ur life

    Not a bigger brain- u cannot make ur brain big.
    Just widen d horizon.
    And yes first thing you can do is - understand what US wants others to do and see how many of such things US is doing.
    Ex- US wants NK to stop their Nuclear Weapon development and destroy allready made. Now the first country who shd take a lead - set an example shd be US as they have the max nuclear weapons.
    You ll see many such things
    Rest prepare hard All d best.
  • sss123 said:

    I think Syria has become a battleground for two superpowers to vent out their frustration and continue their age long rivalry, earlier in the form of cold war and now direct confrontation in Syria which indicates a deepening crisis and trust deficit apart from dwindling balance from multipolar world towards a highly concentrated bipolar grouping and NAM is not in relevance, so eventually India will be a part of any of these two groupings with passing time because neutrality/inaction from india's side will lead to further suspicions. UN has substantial amount of American staff and it raises suspicion/eyebrows of Russia which in fact can weild considerable influence in UN being a permanent security Council member and through it's friend China, hence they may term actions taken by UN peacekeeping forces as one sided

    A demo ground from Russia S 400 and US Cruise Missiles - Tomahawks
    Sell the demo to ROTW. Nothing better than live demo.
  • sss123 said:

    I think Syria has become a battleground for two superpowers to vent out their frustration and continue their age long rivalry, earlier in the form of cold war and now direct confrontation in Syria which indicates a deepening crisis and trust deficit apart from dwindling balance from multipolar world towards a highly concentrated bipolar grouping and NAM is not in relevance, so eventually India will be a part of any of these two groupings with passing time because neutrality/inaction from india's side will lead to further suspicions. UN has substantial amount of American staff and it raises suspicion/eyebrows of Russia which in fact can weild considerable influence in UN being a permanent security Council member and through it's friend China, hence they may term actions taken by UN peacekeeping forces as one sided

    A demo ground from Russia S 400 and US Cruise Missiles - Tomahawks
    Sell the demo to ROTW. Nothing better than live demo.
    yup, they can have demo of their experimental weapons since many nations are bound by antarctica treaty 1959, not to use antarctica for military purpose.........but they can have a better place to test their weapons in real time and that too live :smiley:
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