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2G Scam

An excellent write up on the 2G scam.
After the verdict of special CBI court yesterday, many people, including some on Forum, are claiming that there was no scam at all.
But this article explains how rules were violated at every stage and how the allocation was completely arbitrary.

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/2g-scam-case-verdict-without-closure-a-raja-telecom-minister-acquittal-4993517/
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  • We all know there was scam , if not in spectrum allocation but surely in licensing. But why people who were made the dummies of 2014 elections not behind bar. Actually "Law barks at everyone but bites only poor, ignorant and illiterate"
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  • We all know there was scam , if not in spectrum allocation but surely in licensing. But why people who were made the dummies of 2014 elections not behind bar. Actually "Law barks at everyone but bites only poor, ignorant and illiterate"

    Modi hasn't done anything till now to book corrupt people.
    After so many years, Lalu is facing continuous hearings in Court, and investigation agencies seem to be after him in a determined manner. Opposition is already shouting EMERGENCY. Imagine what will happen if he goes after everyone at the same time.

    As far as this case is concerned, CBI goofed up big time. Hopefully HC will reverse this judgment.
  • Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.
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  • Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    SC cancelled the spectrum licences. Find out how much money govt. earned after they were resold. Compare it with Vinod Rai's estimation in his report as CAG. There's your answer.
  • We all know there was scam , if not in spectrum allocation but surely in licensing. But why people who were made the dummies of 2014 elections not behind bar. Actually "Law barks at everyone but bites only poor, ignorant and illiterate"

    Modi hasn't done anything till now to book corrupt people.
    After so many years, Lalu is facing continuous hearings in Court, and investigation agencies seem to be after him in a determined manner. Opposition is already shouting EMERGENCY. Imagine what will happen if he goes after everyone at the same time.

    As far as this case is concerned, CBI goofed up big time. Hopefully HC will reverse this judgment.
    +1. CBI & ED are going to appeal against the decision. Hopefully they will win
  • Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    Bhai read the article shared by the OP.

    "If you believe, as senior Congress leader Kapil Sibal argued on Thursday, the prevailing law of the land was to allot spectrum on a first-come-first-served (FCFS) basis, then former Telecom Minister A. Raja did nothing wrong. What is ignored, however, is that, in 2001, the fourth cellular licence slot was auctioned for a value of Rs 1,658 crore across the country — so FCFS was not the policy at that point."

    Don't always believe whatsapp forwards.
  • edited December 2017
    Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    And read the Judgment given by CBI Judge, para 1806.

    The person who misled the PM was Mr. Pulok Chatterjee, an IAS Officer close to Sonia Gandhi.
    Mr. Sanjaya Baru, who was media advisor to Sh. Manmohan Singh, has noted this in his book, An Accidental Prime Minister.

    "Pulok, who was inducted into the Manmohan Singh PMO at the behest of Sonia Gandhi, had regular, almost daily, meetings with Sonia at which he was said to brief her on the key policy issues of the day and seek her instructions on important files to be cleared by the PM.

    Indeed, Pulok was the single most important point of regular contact between the PM and Sonia. He was also the PMO’s main point of contact with the National Advisory Council (NAC), a high-profile advisory body chaired by Sonia Gandhi, with social activists as members. It was sometimes dubbed the Shadow Cabinet
    ."

    Pulok Chatterjee:
    DM of Sulatanpur, under which Amethi falls.
    Chatterjee was associated with the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation for six years.
    He was OSD to Sonia Gandhi, when she became leader of opposition in the Lok Sabha.
    Joint Secretary in PMO from 2004 to 2009, when 2G allocation happened.
    He was elevated to the role of Principal Secretary to PM Manmohan Singh in 2011.

    Can you connect the dots now?
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  • edited December 2017
    Hahaha, a typical hit job by The Wire again , run by people who abhor Modi.

    They have noted this about the investigation:

    "However, by the end, the quality of prosecution totally deteriorated and it became directionless and diffident."

    To every reader it would look like the NDA Govt. or more specifically Modi went soft on investigation.

    What they cleverly evade is that the charge sheet was filed in March 2014, before the present Government came into power, which means that the investigation was slowed down by the previous UPA Govt.
  • Vrikodara said:

    We all know there was scam , if not in spectrum allocation but surely in licensing. But why people who were made the dummies of 2014 elections not behind bar. Actually "Law barks at everyone but bites only poor, ignorant and illiterate"

    Modi hasn't done anything till now to book corrupt people.
    After so many years, Lalu is facing continuous hearings in Court, and investigation agencies seem to be after him in a determined manner. Opposition is already shouting EMERGENCY. Imagine what will happen if he goes after everyone at the same time.

    As far as this case is concerned, CBI goofed up big time. Hopefully HC will reverse this judgment.
    +1. CBI & ED are going to appeal against the decision. Hopefully they will win
    Do you really think that any new evidence which is legally valid ,has come up so that a case well in the court of CBI ,which has not given any result ,will suddenly be able to give a verdict.
    The judge says ,I did not get any evidence which is gud enuf to prosecute.CBI says we dint falter.Judge says it was all a propaganda.
    Whether FCFS or spectrum allocation based on auction should have been followed is a matter of debate as well as a policy matter.Ithat should not have been the concern of CAG.
    Compare this case with the block allocation.The IAS officer H C GUPTA has been given a sentence but the whole IAS association is with Gupta saying that he is innocent.There nobody has raised a finger because it is considered a pro Modi judgement.Are we all blind or the propaganda has become a rule for us?
  • Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    And read the Judgment given by CBI Judge, para 1806.

    The person who misled the PM was Mr. Pulok Chatterjee, an IAS Officer close to Sonia Gandhi.
    Mr. Sanjaya Baru, who was media advisor to Sh. Manmohan Singh, has noted this in his book, An Accidental Prime Minister.

    "Pulok, who was inducted into the Manmohan Singh PMO at the behest of Sonia Gandhi, had regular, almost daily, meetings with Sonia at which he was said to brief her on the key policy issues of the day and seek her instructions on important files to be cleared by the PM.

    Indeed, Pulok was the single most important point of regular contact between the PM and Sonia. He was also the PMO’s main point of contact with the National Advisory Council (NAC), a high-profile advisory body chaired by Sonia Gandhi, with social activists as members. It was sometimes dubbed the Shadow Cabinet
    ."

    Pulok Chatterjee:
    DM of Sulatanpur, under which Amethi falls.
    Chatterjee was associated with the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation for six years.
    He was OSD to Sonia Gandhi, when she became leader of opposition in the Lok Sabha.
    Joint Secretary in PMO from 2004 to 2009, when 2G allocation happened.
    He was elevated to the role of Principal Secretary to PM Manmohan Singh in 2011.

    Can you connect the dots now?
    I can very well connect the dots.This connection says that whatever happens some people will remain blind followers of Modi.can't you see CBI went after lalu at the most opportune time.can't you see that nobody is ever asking a question on probity of Rafael deal.Wire is biased but Don't you see that Anna and Arnab ,alongwith Vinod Rai changed the discourse of the political hotseat at Delhi ,making Mr.Modi appear as messiah of corruption evasion.
    The CBI jpint director to be appointed Mr. Asthana faces criminal charges of corruption but nobody will ask anything.
    Sambit patra is given ON GC director post ,based on loyalty.
    Nothing has changed in this govt other than the false propaganda being played by Republic channel and few boastful decisions taken which did not improve anything but created a rosy picture.
  • Ashwanida said:

    Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    And read the Judgment given by CBI Judge, para 1806.

    The person who misled the PM was Mr. Pulok Chatterjee, an IAS Officer close to Sonia Gandhi.
    Mr. Sanjaya Baru, who was media advisor to Sh. Manmohan Singh, has noted this in his book, An Accidental Prime Minister.

    "Pulok, who was inducted into the Manmohan Singh PMO at the behest of Sonia Gandhi, had regular, almost daily, meetings with Sonia at which he was said to brief her on the key policy issues of the day and seek her instructions on important files to be cleared by the PM.

    Indeed, Pulok was the single most important point of regular contact between the PM and Sonia. He was also the PMO’s main point of contact with the National Advisory Council (NAC), a high-profile advisory body chaired by Sonia Gandhi, with social activists as members. It was sometimes dubbed the Shadow Cabinet
    ."

    Pulok Chatterjee:
    DM of Sulatanpur, under which Amethi falls.
    Chatterjee was associated with the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation for six years.
    He was OSD to Sonia Gandhi, when she became leader of opposition in the Lok Sabha.
    Joint Secretary in PMO from 2004 to 2009, when 2G allocation happened.
    He was elevated to the role of Principal Secretary to PM Manmohan Singh in 2011.

    Can you connect the dots now?
    I can very well connect the dots.This connection says that whatever happens some people will remain blind followers of Modi.can't you see CBI went after lalu at the most opportune time.can't you see that nobody is ever asking a question on probity of Rafael deal.Wire is biased but Don't you see that Anna and Arnab ,alongwith Vinod Rai changed the discourse of the political hotseat at Delhi ,making Mr.Modi appear as messiah of corruption evasion.
    The CBI jpint director to be appointed Mr. Asthana faces criminal charges of corruption but nobody will ask anything.
    Sambit patra is given ON GC director post ,based on loyalty.
    Nothing has changed in this govt other than the false propaganda being played by Republic channel and few boastful decisions taken which did not improve anything but created a rosy picture.
    +10000
  • Ashwanida said:

    Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    And read the Judgment given by CBI Judge, para 1806.

    The person who misled the PM was Mr. Pulok Chatterjee, an IAS Officer close to Sonia Gandhi.
    Mr. Sanjaya Baru, who was media advisor to Sh. Manmohan Singh, has noted this in his book, An Accidental Prime Minister.

    "Pulok, who was inducted into the Manmohan Singh PMO at the behest of Sonia Gandhi, had regular, almost daily, meetings with Sonia at which he was said to brief her on the key policy issues of the day and seek her instructions on important files to be cleared by the PM.

    Indeed, Pulok was the single most important point of regular contact between the PM and Sonia. He was also the PMO’s main point of contact with the National Advisory Council (NAC), a high-profile advisory body chaired by Sonia Gandhi, with social activists as members. It was sometimes dubbed the Shadow Cabinet
    ."

    Pulok Chatterjee:
    DM of Sulatanpur, under which Amethi falls.
    Chatterjee was associated with the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation for six years.
    He was OSD to Sonia Gandhi, when she became leader of opposition in the Lok Sabha.
    Joint Secretary in PMO from 2004 to 2009, when 2G allocation happened.
    He was elevated to the role of Principal Secretary to PM Manmohan Singh in 2011.

    Can you connect the dots now?
    I can very well connect the dots.This connection says that whatever happens some people will remain blind followers of Modi.can't you see CBI went after lalu at the most opportune time.can't you see that nobody is ever asking a question on probity of Rafael deal.Wire is biased but Don't you see that Anna and Arnab ,alongwith Vinod Rai changed the discourse of the political hotseat at Delhi ,making Mr.Modi appear as messiah of corruption evasion.
    The CBI jpint director to be appointed Mr. Asthana faces criminal charges of corruption but nobody will ask anything.
    Sambit patra is given ON GC director post ,based on loyalty.
    Nothing has changed in this govt other than the false propaganda being played by Republic channel and few boastful decisions taken which did not improve anything but created a rosy picture.
    I am not a blind follower of anyone.

    I merely remarked because you seemed to point out there was NO SCAM at all.

    You did not respond to what the article had to say about the auction in 2001, but chose to comment in manner which shows your hatred.

    The misgivings about Rafale deal is also a hit job just like the hit job regarding death of Judge Loya raised before the elections and then conveniently buried.
  • Issues of national importance turning into personal opinion based on political ideology....
  • edited December 2017

    Issues of national importance turning into personal opinion based on political ideology....

    Yes exactly. People are saying there wasn't any scam at all and making conspiracy theories, just to discredit the present NDA Government.

    This government has its flaws, many at that.
    But for God's sake don't say "there was NO scam" and it was "all a conspiracy to oust the UPA and bring the NDA".
  • Guys, Rafale was a stupid hit job and anyone claiming it is a scam is a moron.

    The MMRCA tender was initiated as the IAF needed another aircraft like the Mirage 2000. But as a govt mandate, there was a tender and 6 companies submitted their aircrafts and designs- out of which only 2 ticked all parameters.

    Even way back in 2012, the amount of USD 10.6 billion was insufficient to buy all 126 aircrafts and if anyone still doubts the validity of the amount- please check the amount that was paid by Qatar and Egypt for similar batches of Rafales.

    It's good to ask questions but it is plain stupid to believe anything just because a certain Dhruv Rathee or Mr Dua say so.
  • Ashwanida said:

    Vrikodara said:

    We all know there was scam , if not in spectrum allocation but surely in licensing. But why people who were made the dummies of 2014 elections not behind bar. Actually "Law barks at everyone but bites only poor, ignorant and illiterate"

    Modi hasn't done anything till now to book corrupt people.
    After so many years, Lalu is facing continuous hearings in Court, and investigation agencies seem to be after him in a determined manner. Opposition is already shouting EMERGENCY. Imagine what will happen if he goes after everyone at the same time.

    As far as this case is concerned, CBI goofed up big time. Hopefully HC will reverse this judgment.
    +1. CBI & ED are going to appeal against the decision. Hopefully they will win
    Do you really think that any new evidence which is legally valid ,has come up so that a case well in the court of CBI ,which has not given any result ,will suddenly be able to give a verdict.
    The judge says ,I did not get any evidence which is gud enuf to prosecute.CBI says we dint falter.Judge says it was all a propaganda.
    Whether FCFS or spectrum allocation based on auction should have been followed is a matter of debate as well as a policy matter.Ithat should not have been the concern of CAG.
    Compare this case with the block allocation.The IAS officer H C GUPTA has been given a sentence but the whole IAS association is with Gupta saying that he is innocent.There nobody has raised a finger because it is considered a pro Modi judgement.Are we all blind or the propaganda has become a rule for us?
    The charge sheet was filed in March 2014 and the court refused to accept the new evidence. Here's a pic from the judgement.
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  • Ashwanida said:

    Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    And read the Judgment given by CBI Judge, para 1806.

    The person who misled the PM was Mr. Pulok Chatterjee, an IAS Officer close to Sonia Gandhi.
    Mr. Sanjaya Baru, who was media advisor to Sh. Manmohan Singh, has noted this in his book, An Accidental Prime Minister.

    "Pulok, who was inducted into the Manmohan Singh PMO at the behest of Sonia Gandhi, had regular, almost daily, meetings with Sonia at which he was said to brief her on the key policy issues of the day and seek her instructions on important files to be cleared by the PM.

    Indeed, Pulok was the single most important point of regular contact between the PM and Sonia. He was also the PMO’s main point of contact with the National Advisory Council (NAC), a high-profile advisory body chaired by Sonia Gandhi, with social activists as members. It was sometimes dubbed the Shadow Cabinet
    ."

    Pulok Chatterjee:
    DM of Sulatanpur, under which Amethi falls.
    Chatterjee was associated with the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation for six years.
    He was OSD to Sonia Gandhi, when she became leader of opposition in the Lok Sabha.
    Joint Secretary in PMO from 2004 to 2009, when 2G allocation happened.
    He was elevated to the role of Principal Secretary to PM Manmohan Singh in 2011.

    Can you connect the dots now?
    I can very well connect the dots.This connection says that whatever happens some people will remain blind followers of Modi.can't you see CBI went after lalu at the most opportune time.can't you see that nobody is ever asking a question on probity of Rafael deal.Wire is biased but Don't you see that Anna and Arnab ,alongwith Vinod Rai changed the discourse of the political hotseat at Delhi ,making Mr.Modi appear as messiah of corruption evasion.
    The CBI jpint director to be appointed Mr. Asthana faces criminal charges of corruption but nobody will ask anything.
    Sambit patra is given ON GC director post ,based on loyalty.
    Nothing has changed in this govt other than the false propaganda being played by Republic channel and few boastful decisions taken which did not improve anything but created a rosy picture.
    I am not a blind follower of anyone.

    I merely remarked because you seemed to point out there was NO SCAM at all.

    You did not respond to what the article had to say about the auction in 2001, but chose to comment in manner which shows your hatred.

    The misgivings about Rafale deal is also a hit job just like the hit job regarding death of Judge Loya raised before the elections and then conveniently buried.
    +1
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  • Shad said:

    ForumIAS ko Facebook bana do!

    Nahi bhai. It's important topic. We might have to face such situations if we clear this exam.
  • All i can remember is i was getting 650 mb for meare 16rs in 2011..after this 2g scam...internet prices skyrocketed.
  • Ashwanida said:

    Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    And read the Judgment given by CBI Judge, para 1806.

    The person who misled the PM was Mr. Pulok Chatterjee, an IAS Officer close to Sonia Gandhi.
    Mr. Sanjaya Baru, who was media advisor to Sh. Manmohan Singh, has noted this in his book, An Accidental Prime Minister.

    "Pulok, who was inducted into the Manmohan Singh PMO at the behest of Sonia Gandhi, had regular, almost daily, meetings with Sonia at which he was said to brief her on the key policy issues of the day and seek her instructions on important files to be cleared by the PM.

    Indeed, Pulok was the single most important point of regular contact between the PM and Sonia. He was also the PMO’s main point of contact with the National Advisory Council (NAC), a high-profile advisory body chaired by Sonia Gandhi, with social activists as members. It was sometimes dubbed the Shadow Cabinet
    ."

    Pulok Chatterjee:
    DM of Sulatanpur, under which Amethi falls.
    Chatterjee was associated with the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation for six years.
    He was OSD to Sonia Gandhi, when she became leader of opposition in the Lok Sabha.
    Joint Secretary in PMO from 2004 to 2009, when 2G allocation happened.
    He was elevated to the role of Principal Secretary to PM Manmohan Singh in 2011.

    Can you connect the dots now?
    I can very well connect the dots.This connection says that whatever happens some people will remain blind followers of Modi.can't you see CBI went after lalu at the most opportune time.can't you see that nobody is ever asking a question on probity of Rafael deal.Wire is biased but Don't you see that Anna and Arnab ,alongwith Vinod Rai changed the discourse of the political hotseat at Delhi ,making Mr.Modi appear as messiah of corruption evasion.
    The CBI jpint director to be appointed Mr. Asthana faces criminal charges of corruption but nobody will ask anything.
    Sambit patra is given ON GC director post ,based on loyalty.
    Nothing has changed in this govt other than the false propaganda being played by Republic channel and few boastful decisions taken which did not improve anything but created a rosy picture.
    +1 rightly stated
    all i need is You Lord
  • It is extremely funny actually. Throw the bait of Modi and the true face of so called liberals come to the fore.

    Even with such clear cut evidence people refuse to accept.

    Counter with facts, not with rhetoric.


    http://discuss.forumias.com/discussion/comment/1511819/#Comment_1511819
  • Even a sworn critic of Modi, Mr Prashant Bhushan has this to say about the SCAM


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  • edited December 2017

    Even a sworn critic of Modi, Mr Prashant Bhushan has this to say about the SCAM


    everytime ravish kumar quote him(prashant bushan) against modi govt but this time he was unable to produce his comment on yesterday's prime time....
  • OK OK
    I m banning this thread
    And respective ids who are involve in personal attacka , body shaming and spitting venom.

    Jai hind
  • Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    You know he is father in law of rachit Raj air 3(Bhai agar bhagwan kisi ko kismat de to RR ki tarah de)
  • Opkiki said:

    Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    You know he is father in law of rachit Raj air 3(Bhai agar bhagwan kisi ko kismat de to RR ki tarah de)
    Correct bro.But grass is always greener on the other side. Believe me rightnow you are having so many things better than RR which even he may dream of.
    So it's just a relative case and life is big enough to provide joy for everyone.
  • Vrikodara said:

    Ashwanida said:

    Have a look at it.Moreover the FCFS rule was introduced by NDA itself,which later on came under scanner by SC.The notional loss theory of vinod rai was never substantiated.His activism was politically motivated.He should have tabled the report in parluament (PAC) rather than going public on the issue.

    SC cancelled the spectrum licences. Find out how much money govt. earned after they were resold. Compare it with Vinod Rai's estimation in his report as CAG. There's your answer.
    Govt. earned 1.1 lakh crore in 2015 and around 65k crore in 2016 spectrum auctions.
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