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Changing the PROFILE of IAS-IPS: from metropolitan coaching centres to rural-urban fringes of states

Ias Ips recruitment should be from young Cadets coming from the State Administrative & State Police Dept respectively..

In the present pattern of examination, since decades, the candidates whose selections are favoured are mostly coached from Delhi or other metros..
These hubs of selections need decentralisation equitably to the state level where even poor people are able to sustain in one-fourth of expenses of Delhi..
Secondly context matters.. The generalist skills & practical country-side exposure, these positions require, are built from the days of preparation itself..
Such breed of candidates(for Ias/Ips) should be directly or closely associated with grass root level realities during their initial days of preparation itself..

Over all idea is bifurcating Civil Services Exam into two-
1)One notification every year to be released for all Central Civil Services (irs, iaas, foreign service, accounts in defence, railways, etc - services of Specialist Nature)
that is except GENERAL ADMINISTRATION and POLICE department (Ias + Ips)...
The above exam will be open for all fresh graduates like it is at present, but for Ias and Ips selection, recently selected SDM/DSP Cadets from state level should only be made eligible..

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  • edited October 27
    Question genuine lag raha.
    -- Such breed of candidates(for Ias/Ips) should be directly or closely associated with grass root level realities during their initial days of preparation itself --

    True.

    -- The above exam will be open for all fresh graduates like it is at present, but for Ias and Ips selection, recently selected SDM/DSP Cadets from state level should only be made eligible --

    Aisa kyun? Quite a few state PCSs have rampant corruption in the selection process itself, the exam calendars are erratic and subject to the whims of the state apparatus, and the pool of meritorious candidates is bound to get reduced as many state PCSs are impenetrable for aspirants not holding the domiciles of the states concerned (the regional language hurdle, etc). An all India level exam not only diversifies the talent pool of appearing candidates, but also directly affects the quality of the selected cohort of officers (IAS and IPS) appearing at an exam as aspirants that was conducted at the national level (higher the competition, the better the merit required for getting selected). It is a whole another matter, that the purpose of appearing for this exam, for a few, might not to related that much to serving the country, than to the acquisition of glamour and power.
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  • edited October 27
    Aajkal aise threads aa rahe, at least. Nahi to coaching ke threads ke alawa kuch aata hi na tha.
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  • Point 2 kaha gaya! :rage:
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  • edited October 27
    2) the second exam, through exclusively separate notification for Ias ips selection, will be for SDM/DSP cadets in various states .. All State Administrative & State Police Dept officers in SDM/DSP grade will be in the SELECT LIST & eligible to APPLY DIRECTLY FOR CS-MAINS after two years in-service training..

    This need for the Cadet System is because in two years of training it would ensure equal accessibilty of learning material, education modules, lectures and other resources through govt training institutes and thus equal opportunity for all - rich & poor alike, unlike at present where only wealthy are able to afford coachings in delhi.. It is accepted that some state PCS have rampant corruption, but this initiative will in itself try to remove corruption from state PCS in short span of one to two years itself ..

    Details:-
    Every year let the states conduct exams for them, recruit them, groom them and train them - and then after two years of such involvement with affairs of state, a meaningful person only should be called for writing UPSC MAINS common with MAINS FOR EXAMINEES OF SPECIALIST CIVIL SERVICES(IRS, IAAS, Defence, Railways Accounts, etc).. ALTHOUGH THERE MERIT LISTS WILL BE PREPARED SEPARATELY..

    The purpose of holding exam together is to prevent complacency in the departmental candidates aspiring for Ias, Ips in the same questions which somewhat young and fresher candidates may be writing.. The comparative assesment of marks between CADETS & Fresh Graduates(open-market candidates) will provide a clear picture whether the State Govt Servants are knowing more or less about the governance as compared to novice fresh graduates..This will act as check against collective non performance among Govt Babus because they develop complacency after entering the System.. This will improvise the standards of state govt servants to pan-Indian standards and enhance the affairs of governance in the state-level at the grassroots, sub-urban and municipality level..
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    An Ounce of Action Is Worth a Ton of Theory
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    jal rahi kya teri, if uv a burning sensation, go to lake in the jungle... these are good points on lines of arc it seems..
    samajh nahi payega tu, bas ka bhi nahi tumhare.. kosis karne ka fayda nahi, tumse na ho payega beta..
  • ass said:

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    jal rahi kya teri, if uv a burning sensation, go to lake in the jungle... these are good points on lines of arc it seems..
    samajh nahi payega tu, bas ka bhi nahi tumhare.. kosis karne ka fayda nahi, tumse na ho payega beta..
    ye ideas itne hi ludicrous hain ki op ko Ek Naya profile hi banana pada. apne original account se post hi nahi Kar paya.

    Aur jahan tak samajhne ki baat hai, Aur bhi bohot cheezein hain samajhne ke liye.

    I rest my case.

    Rofl!
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  • ass said:

    ........

    jal rahi kya teri, if uv a burning sensation, go to lake in the jungle... these are good points on lines of arc it seems..
    samajh nahi payega tu, bas ka bhi nahi tumhare.. kosis karne ka fayda nahi, tumse na ho payega beta..
    ye ideas itne hi ludicrous hain ki op ko Ek Naya profile hi banana pada. apne original account se post hi nahi Kar paya.

    Aur jahan tak samajhne ki baat hai, Aur bhi bohot cheezein hain samajhne ke liye.

    I rest my case.

    Rofl!
    Abe tum pehle exam nikal be, fir hansna kisi be. Waise OP hai kaun?
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  • IasReform said:

    2) the second exam, through exclusively separate notification for Ias ips selection, will be for SDM/DSP cadets in various states .. All State Administrative & State Police Dept officers in SDM/DSP grade will be in the SELECT LIST & eligible to APPLY DIRECTLY FOR CS-MAINS after two years in-service training..

    Are you serious? Do you have any idea about corruption in state civil service exams like Haryana? No matter how good you are, you can't make it to the final list in Haryana without paying a bribe in excess of 1 crore. And you want only these selected candidates to be made eligible.
    IAS and IPS need reforms but not the ones you suggested.
  • edited October 28
    Vrikodara said:

    IasReform said:

    2) the second exam, through exclusively separate notification for Ias ips selection, will be for SDM/DSP cadets in various states .. All State Administrative & State Police Dept officers in SDM/DSP grade will be in the SELECT LIST & eligible to APPLY DIRECTLY FOR CS-MAINS after two years in-service training..

    Are you serious? Do you have any idea about corruption in state civil service exams like Haryana? No matter how good you are, you can't make it to the final list in Haryana without paying a bribe in excess of 1 crore. And you want only these selected candidates to be made eligible.
    IAS and IPS need reforms but not the ones you suggested.
    you didnt read the next para.. read it again-- and remember if things are corrupt today, somewhere beginning is needed.. and aligning the system to all-india level will not come without a vigilance from UPSC itself over PSCs.. It is a well thought upon Systematic Reform Measure containing all possible concerns that may arise like you pointed..

    "It is accepted that some state PCS have rampant corruption, but this initiative will in itself try to remove corruption from state PCS in short span of one to two years itself .."

    The phrase "in short span of one to two years itself"- is written because there will be strict mechanism of UPSC to ensure merit in PSC selections without bribe.. (may be something like integrated judiciary structure in India - if not that something else)..
  • Vrikodara said:

    IasReform said:

    2) the second exam, through exclusively separate notification for Ias ips selection, will be for SDM/DSP cadets in various states .. All State Administrative & State Police Dept officers in SDM/DSP grade will be in the SELECT LIST & eligible to APPLY DIRECTLY FOR CS-MAINS after two years in-service training..

    Are you serious? Do you have any idea about corruption in state civil service exams like Haryana? No matter how good you are, you can't make it to the final list in Haryana without paying a bribe in excess of 1 crore. And you want only these selected candidates to be made eligible.
    IAS and IPS need reforms but not the ones you suggested.
    I don't buy it. Matlab har koi 1 crore de raha! Naah! Lol.
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  • edited October 28
    IasReform said:

    Vrikodara said:

    IasReform said:

    2) the second exam, through exclusively separate notification for Ias ips selection, will be for SDM/DSP cadets in various states .. All State Administrative & State Police Dept officers in SDM/DSP grade will be in the SELECT LIST & eligible to APPLY DIRECTLY FOR CS-MAINS after two years in-service training..

    Are you serious? Do you have any idea about corruption in state civil service exams like Haryana? No matter how good you are, you can't make it to the final list in Haryana without paying a bribe in excess of 1 crore. And you want only these selected candidates to be made eligible.
    IAS and IPS need reforms but not the ones you suggested.
    you didnt read the next para.. read it again-- and remember if things are corrupt today, somewhere beginning is needed.. and aligning the system to all-india level will not come without a vigilance from UPSC itself over PSCs.. It is a well thought upon Systematic Reform Measure containing all possible concerns that may arise like you pointed..

    "It is accepted that some state PCS have rampant corruption, but this initiative will in itself try to remove corruption from state PCS in short span of one to two years itself .."

    The phrase "in short span of one to two years itself"- is written because there will be strict mechanism of UPSC to ensure merit in PSC selections without bribe.. (may be something like integrated judiciary structure in India - if not that something else)..
    Hmmm. Makes sense.
    But bahot complications hain. Aur bhi untouched aspects hain, IMO.

    There was a reason why I thought it might work - Jitne bhi national level ke achche politicians hue, sabne apne states me kabhi badiya kaam kiya tha. Like Modi, Rajnath, etc.

    Well think when free.
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  • Vrikodara said:

    IasReform said:

    2) the second exam, through exclusively separate notification for Ias ips selection, will be for SDM/DSP cadets in various states .. All State Administrative & State Police Dept officers in SDM/DSP grade will be in the SELECT LIST & eligible to APPLY DIRECTLY FOR CS-MAINS after two years in-service training..

    Are you serious? Do you have any idea about corruption in state civil service exams like Haryana? No matter how good you are, you can't make it to the final list in Haryana without paying a bribe in excess of 1 crore. And you want only these selected candidates to be made eligible.
    IAS and IPS need reforms but not the ones you suggested.
    I don't buy it. Matlab har koi 1 crore de raha! Naah! Lol.
    Don't. If you want to live in your fantasy world, please continue to do so.
  • edited October 28


    "It is accepted that some state PCS have rampant corruption, but this initiative will in itself try to remove corruption from state PCS in short span of one to two years itself .."

    The phrase "in short span of one to two years itself"- is written because there will be strict mechanism of UPSC to ensure merit in PSC selections without bribe.. (may be something like integrated judiciary structure in India - if not that something else)..
    We will see. But it's not easy to remove entrenched corruption in a year or two. It's a long and complicated process.
    IasReform said:

    Vrikodara said:

    IasReform said:

    2) the second exam, through exclusively separate notification for Ias ips selection, will be for SDM/DSP cadets in various states .. All State Administrative & State Police Dept officers in SDM/DSP grade will be in the SELECT LIST & eligible to APPLY DIRECTLY FOR CS-MAINS after two years in-service training..

    Are you serious? Do you have any idea about corruption in state civil service exams like Haryana? No matter how good you are, you can't make it to the final list in Haryana without paying a bribe in excess of 1 crore. And you want only these selected candidates to be made eligible.
    IAS and IPS need reforms but not the ones you suggested.
    you didnt read the next para.. read it again-- and remember if things are corrupt today, somewhere beginning is needed.. and aligning the system to all-india level will not come without a vigilance from UPSC itself over PSCs.. It is a well thought upon Systematic Reform Measure containing all possible concerns that may arise like you pointed..

    "It is accepted that some state PCS have rampant corruption, but this initiative will in itself try to remove corruption from state PCS in short span of one to two years itself .."

    The phrase "in short span of one to two years itself"- is written because there will be strict mechanism of UPSC to ensure merit in PSC selections without bribe.. (may be something like integrated judiciary structure in India - if not that something else)..
    It's not as easy as you make it look. Entrenched corruption can't be removed in a year or two, it's a very long and complicated process.
  • Vrikodara said:

    Vrikodara said:

    IasReform said:

    2) the second exam, through exclusively separate notification for Ias ips selection, will be for SDM/DSP cadets in various states .. All State Administrative & State Police Dept officers in SDM/DSP grade will be in the SELECT LIST & eligible to APPLY DIRECTLY FOR CS-MAINS after two years in-service training..

    Are you serious? Do you have any idea about corruption in state civil service exams like Haryana? No matter how good you are, you can't make it to the final list in Haryana without paying a bribe in excess of 1 crore. And you want only these selected candidates to be made eligible.
    IAS and IPS need reforms but not the ones you suggested.
    I don't buy it. Matlab har koi 1 crore de raha! Naah! Lol.
    Don't. If you want to live in your fantasy world, please continue to do so.
    Okay. I won't buy it. As you like it.
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  • edited October 28
    Today's paper has proved and upcoming papers will also prove that writing answers for these qns is no greatness..

    and hence what is of great concern is not that who became Ias topper this year, rather what is the profile of Ias & Ips?

    Keeping these things into consideration, the scheme has been devised.. It can also provide not one but multiple extra attempts for aggrieved candidates if they fight vigorosity & conviction..
  • modi ko chahiye kya, paisa, khud ke liye nahi shah aur ambani bhai ke liye.. reform se uska rista nahi bas man ki baat sara samay..
  • edited November 6
    This need Constitutional Amendment!
    (State PSCs also Constitutional bodies, functioning independently (in auctioning services) so UPSC cannot assume any meaningful overall control over them)
    Now UPSC itself under fire!

    Bigger task than GST or demonetisation!

    Centre-State relation, hot topic involved.

    Not possible for few decades.
    Expire@2017.
  • edited November 9

    This need Constitutional Amendment!
    (State PSCs also Constitutional bodies, functioning independently (in auctioning services) so UPSC cannot assume any meaningful overall control over them)
    Now UPSC itself under fire!

    Bigger task than GST or demonetisation!

    Centre-State relation, hot topic involved.

    Not possible for few decades.

    do u have pub admin or pol science optional?

    exactly this is a matter of centre state relations and it can bring integration in recruitment system and faster processes..
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