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  • The govt us thinking of doing away with State cadres for IAS, IPS services & instead it wants to divide whole India in 5 zones...& allocate any 1 zone in future...
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  • ifs first preference.. :)
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  • ifs first preference.. :)

    Ha ha ha...
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  • is it like one can give just one preference for one zone and has to give the second preference from another zone...have i misunderstood ??
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  • The whole zone would be 1 performance, than next zone nd so... in total there would be 5 zone preferences nd not like earlier 26 state cadre preferences.
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  • There would be zonal as well as statewise (cadrewise) choices. Only thing you cannot put your neighboring states as 2nd & 3rd choice like previous years if they are in the same zone as your Home state. Here's an example (taking Karnataka as home state):

    Before change: Cadre Preference:

    Karnataka 1
    Tamil Nadu 2
    Telengana 3
    Kerala 4
    Andhra Pradesh 5
    Maharashtra 6
    Gujarat 7 etc

    After change :

    Zonal Preference Cadre Preference

    Zone V Karnataka (1st choice in Zone V)
    Zone III Maharashtra (1st choice in Zone III)
    Zone I AGMUT (1st choice in Zone I)
    Zone IV Sikkim (1st choice in Zone IV)
    Zone II U.P (1st choice in Zone II)

    Zone V Tamil Nadu (2nd choice in Zone V)
    Zone IV Sikkim (2nd choice in Zone IV)
    Zone 1 Punjab (2nd choice in Zone 1)

    And so on. Only after considering your 1st choice cadre preferences for each Zone will they proceed on to your second choices (meaning - if there's Insider vacancy in your home state - you get allocated there, if not and there is Outsider vacancy in other 1st first choice states, you get allocated there based on your preference order mentioned).

    This is what I presume it to be. Let's wait to see how they design the Cadre preference page and we will get a clear picture.
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    They are taking the Hobbits to Isengard!
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  • There would be zonal as well as statewise (cadrewise) choices. Only thing you cannot put your neighboring states as 2nd & 3rd choice like previous years if they are in the same zone as your Home state. Here's an example (taking Karnataka as home state):

    Before change: Cadre Preference:

    Karnataka 1
    Tamil Nadu 2
    Telengana 3
    Kerala 4
    Andhra Pradesh 5
    Maharashtra 6
    Gujarat 7 etc

    After change :

    Zonal Preference Cadre Preference

    Zone V Karnataka (1st choice in Zone V)
    Zone III Maharashtra (1st choice in Zone III)
    Zone I AGMUT (1st choice in Zone I)
    Zone IV Sikkim (1st choice in Zone IV)
    Zone II U.P (1st choice in Zone II)

    Zone V Tamil Nadu (2nd choice in Zone V)
    Zone IV Sikkim (2nd choice in Zone IV)
    Zone 1 Punjab (2nd choice in Zone 1)

    And so on. Only after considering your 1st choice cadre preferences for each Zone will they proceed on to your second choices (meaning - if there's Insider vacancy in your home state - you get allocated there, if not and there is Outsider vacancy in other 1st first choice states, you get allocated there based on your preference order mentioned).

    This is what I presume it to be. Let's wait to see how they design the Cadre preference page and we will get a clear picture.

    Brother , the zone preference cannot be changed .
    U will hv to select states for second preference and thereafter in same order from
    zone V
    Zone III
    Zone I
    Zone IV
    Zone II
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  • Is it? Thanks for correcting man.

    I wonder will they activate that page before August 31. Lot of combinations to be tried out before confirming:)
    They are taking the Hobbits to Isengard!
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  • Home state nahi milega ?? If one gets domiciled state zone ??
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  • Home state nahi milega ?? If one gets domiciled state zone ??

    aaj aaya na paper m ...based on vacancy, ur rank u may get
    मैं खड़ा हूँ उसी दोराहे पे, आज भी इंतज़ार में तेरे !
    या तो ज़िन्दगी आये तेरे लिबास में! या मैं चलूँ फिरदौस की तलाश में !!
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  • 1. Zone ki preference do.
    2. Zone m cadre ki preference do

    1st preferred Zone, choice 1 mil raha hai =>Nahi
    Move to 2nd preferred Zone, choice 1
    And So On.
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  • Home state nahi milega ?? If one gets domiciled state zone ??

    aaj aaya na paper m ...based on vacancy, ur rank u may get
    @popeyee_jahaji thanku ..btw mere paas hindu paper aata hai usme kuch nahi nikla idle baare mein ...don't know y it's for 10 rs
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  • Till now once state cadre allotted, that state assumes immediate control over that official.

    Now Zone with group of states came in to picture.
    So it may be Centre allot them one state within that zone permanently.
    But it's look like centre taking more control over AIS officials. Like Central deputation, centre may rotate officials among states within that particular zone (just like transfer!)

    More centralisation, shrinking space for states.
    In future states going to oppose this zoning policy.
    Hunt alone
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  • Most probably it would be like this:

    E.g.
    1st choice of state of zone C
    2nd choice of state of zone B
    3rd zone A
    4th zone E
    5th zone D
    ........................
    Next round:
    6th choice: zone C
    7th: D
    8th: A
    9th: B
    10th: E
    ........................
    Next round and on. Till all states are filled.

    Pros: Your 2nd choice will not be near your home state (mostly chosen as 1st preference).
    Say, earlier a Malayali would probably choose top 5 states as: Kerala, Tamil nadu, Karnataka, Andhra & Telangana.
    Now, it won't be possible. As any state from Kerala would be 6th preference at least, thus spreading out people more throughout India away from home states-based assuming most people done get their 1st choice of state cadre.

    Cons: Hardly any, considering you signed up for All India Service. So be ready for it.

    But moot question is: will transfer and posting would be considered within the whole zone? If that happens that would be truly monumental change in way burecaracy has been run in India till now.

    But that seems a far cry: Consensus between states, complexities, seniority scale management, different parties rule, different command centre (Centre can't be controlling authority as per AIS rules as of now), etc.
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  • ‬Zone allocation doesn't mean transfers in zone. Period.‬

    We will have to give preferences for all five zones and from each zone sequentially.

    So I prefer Rajasthan in zone 1 (1st preferred Zone), any other state from the same zone (say Haryana) will at max can be my 6th preference.

    And if there is an vacancy in 1st preferred state in remaining 4 zones, then I will be alloted that (say karantaka which is 1st choice in 4th preferred zone)

    I can't make it more simpler. :sweat:
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  • INFI said:

    ‬Zone allocation doesn't mean transfers in zone. Period.‬

    We will have to give preferences for all five zones and from each zone sequentially.

    So I prefer Rajasthan in zone 1 (1st preferred Zone), any other state from the same zone (say Haryana) will at max can be my 6th preference.

    And if there is an vacancy in 1st preferred state in remaining 4 zones, then I will be alloted that (say karantaka which is 1st choice in 4th preferred zone)

    I can't make it more simpler. :sweat:

    I have a doubt. It asks to make choices from preferred zones. Does that mean we can do away entirely with a zone n just stick to 4 zones and make preference order for cadres according to that 4 choices in order. Like - for example if I want to not choose zone 1 then my preference can be - 1)zone 3
    2.zone 2
    3.zone 5
    4.zone 4
    5.zone 3
    6.zone 2 etc. Repeating in the order of 4 rather than 5.
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  • INFI said:

    ‬Zone allocation doesn't mean transfers in zone. Period.‬

    We will have to give preferences for all five zones and from each zone sequentially.

    So I prefer Rajasthan in zone 1 (1st preferred Zone), any other state from the same zone (say Haryana) will at max can be my 6th preference.

    And if there is an vacancy in 1st preferred state in remaining 4 zones, then I will be alloted that (say karantaka which is 1st choice in 4th preferred zone)

    I can't make it more simpler. :sweat:

    I have a doubt. It asks to make choices from preferred zones. Does that mean we can do away entirely with a zone n just stick to 4 zones and make preference order for cadres according to that 4 choices in order. Like - for example if I want to not choose zone 1 then my preference can be - 1)zone 3
    2.zone 2
    3.zone 5
    4.zone 4
    5.zone 3
    6.zone 2 etc. Repeating in the order of 4 rather than 5.
    I don't think so.
    Even previously, we were not allowed to leave any space blank in cadre preference, though we could enter 99 in service preference.

    Moreover, the whole point of the exercise seems to be to promote greater integration and dispersal of AIS officers, and the way you've mentioned would circumvent that very purpose: I can do away with 2-3 zones entirely and enter only north and western state zones if I'm from Gujarat, for example.

    I personally feel it's a great decision. This way, at least one neglected or a backward state like our seven sisters or hill states will figure in the top 5 for every candidate and prevent them from being 'punishment cadres' as far as candidate preferences are concerned.
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  • INFI said:

    ‬Zone allocation doesn't mean transfers in zone. Period.‬

    We will have to give preferences for all five zones and from each zone sequentially.

    So I prefer Rajasthan in zone 1 (1st preferred Zone), any other state from the same zone (say Haryana) will at max can be my 6th preference.

    And if there is an vacancy in 1st preferred state in remaining 4 zones, then I will be alloted that (say karantaka which is 1st choice in 4th preferred zone)

    I can't make it more simpler. :sweat:

    I have a doubt. It asks to make choices from preferred zones. Does that mean we can do away entirely with a zone n just stick to 4 zones and make preference order for cadres according to that 4 choices in order. Like - for example if I want to not choose zone 1 then my preference can be - 1)zone 3
    2.zone 2
    3.zone 5
    4.zone 4
    5.zone 3
    6.zone 2 etc. Repeating in the order of 4 rather than 5.
    I don't think so.
    Even previously, we were not allowed to leave any space blank in cadre preference, though we could enter 99 in service preference.

    Moreover, the whole point of the exercise seems to be to promote greater integration and dispersal of AIS officers, and the way you've mentioned would circumvent that very purpose: I can do away with 2-3 zones entirely and enter only north and western state zones if I'm from Gujarat, for example.

    I personally feel it's a great decision. This way, at least one neglected or a backward state like our seven sisters or hill states will figure in the top 5 for every candidate and prevent them from being 'punishment cadres' as far as candidate preferences are concerned.
    Debatable :confused:
    Just allow subsequent attempts for those allocated IAS too. Then see how many candidates will reappear for better cadre. I will any day prefer better cadre in IFS over poor cadre in IPS. What the use of merit then apart from seniority within the batch? It has become more luck based now.
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  • INFI said:

    INFI said:

    ‬Zone allocation doesn't mean transfers in zone. Period.‬

    We will have to give preferences for all five zones and from each zone sequentially.

    So I prefer Rajasthan in zone 1 (1st preferred Zone), any other state from the same zone (say Haryana) will at max can be my 6th preference.

    And if there is an vacancy in 1st preferred state in remaining 4 zones, then I will be alloted that (say karantaka which is 1st choice in 4th preferred zone)

    I can't make it more simpler. :sweat:

    I have a doubt. It asks to make choices from preferred zones. Does that mean we can do away entirely with a zone n just stick to 4 zones and make preference order for cadres according to that 4 choices in order. Like - for example if I want to not choose zone 1 then my preference can be - 1)zone 3
    2.zone 2
    3.zone 5
    4.zone 4
    5.zone 3
    6.zone 2 etc. Repeating in the order of 4 rather than 5.
    I don't think so.
    Even previously, we were not allowed to leave any space blank in cadre preference, though we could enter 99 in service preference.

    Moreover, the whole point of the exercise seems to be to promote greater integration and dispersal of AIS officers, and the way you've mentioned would circumvent that very purpose: I can do away with 2-3 zones entirely and enter only north and western state zones if I'm from Gujarat, for example.

    I personally feel it's a great decision. This way, at least one neglected or a backward state like our seven sisters or hill states will figure in the top 5 for every candidate and prevent them from being 'punishment cadres' as far as candidate preferences are concerned.
    Debatable :confused:
    Just allow subsequent attempts for those allocated IAS too. Then see how many candidates will reappear for better cadre. I will any day prefer better cadre in IFS over poor cadre in IPS. What the use of merit then apart from seniority within the batch? It has become more luck based now.
    Sir, to correct this mentality only, DOPT has come out with this new zone cadre plan. If luck helps the merit(in case, we assume a rank 33 is more merited than rank 44 person, just to say) serve India as a whole without regional bias, then that element of luck is wholly welcome from India's point of view.
    Obviously not from a parochial candidate's POV. The day you signed for AIS, you were obliged to serve anywhere- Nagaland to Kerala, J&K to TamilNadu.
    Work is hard. Distractions are plentiful. And time is short.
    Self-reverence, self-knowledge, self-control; these three alone lead one to sovereign power
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  • INFI said:

    INFI said:

    ‬Zone allocation doesn't mean transfers in zone. Period.‬

    We will have to give preferences for all five zones and from each zone sequentially.

    So I prefer Rajasthan in zone 1 (1st preferred Zone), any other state from the same zone (say Haryana) will at max can be my 6th preference.

    And if there is an vacancy in 1st preferred state in remaining 4 zones, then I will be alloted that (say karantaka which is 1st choice in 4th preferred zone)

    I can't make it more simpler. :sweat:

    I have a doubt. It asks to make choices from preferred zones. Does that mean we can do away entirely with a zone n just stick to 4 zones and make preference order for cadres according to that 4 choices in order. Like - for example if I want to not choose zone 1 then my preference can be - 1)zone 3
    2.zone 2
    3.zone 5
    4.zone 4
    5.zone 3
    6.zone 2 etc. Repeating in the order of 4 rather than 5.
    I don't think so.
    Even previously, we were not allowed to leave any space blank in cadre preference, though we could enter 99 in service preference.

    Moreover, the whole point of the exercise seems to be to promote greater integration and dispersal of AIS officers, and the way you've mentioned would circumvent that very purpose: I can do away with 2-3 zones entirely and enter only north and western state zones if I'm from Gujarat, for example.

    I personally feel it's a great decision. This way, at least one neglected or a backward state like our seven sisters or hill states will figure in the top 5 for every candidate and prevent them from being 'punishment cadres' as far as candidate preferences are concerned.
    Debatable :confused:
    Just allow subsequent attempts for those allocated IAS too. Then see how many candidates will reappear for better cadre. I will any day prefer better cadre in IFS over poor cadre in IPS. What the use of merit then apart from seniority within the batch? It has become more luck based now.
    Sir, to correct this mentality only, DOPT has come out with this new zone cadre plan. If luck helps the merit(in case, we assume a rank 33 is more merited than rank 44 person, just to say) serve India as a whole without regional bias, then that element of luck is wholly welcome from India's point of view.
    Obviously not from a parochial candidate's POV. The day you signed for AIS, you were obliged to serve anywhere- Nagaland to Kerala, J&K to TamilNadu.
    My rational self, completely agrees with you :blush:
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  • How about Lottery system? Random allocation of cadre. ;) Even topper can get North East.
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  • INFI said:

    How about Lottery system? Random allocation of cadre. ;) Even topper can get North East.

    Such type of system existed earlier :#
    Conquering UPSC Mains 2017
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  • Why limit to AIS? Random allocation on countries in foreign service. Random distri

    INFI said:

    How about Lottery system? Random allocation of cadre. ;) Even topper can get North East.

    Such type of system existed earlier :#
    Let's bring it back. :grin:
    Let's extend this lottery to central Services also. :joy:
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  • INFI said:

    Why limit to AIS? Random allocation on countries in foreign service. Random distri

    INFI said:

    How about Lottery system? Random allocation of cadre. ;) Even topper can get North East.

    Such type of system existed earlier :#
    Let's bring it back. :grin:
    Let's extend this lottery to central Services also. :joy:
    Service bhi random allot krdo : :D
    Conquering UPSC Mains 2017
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  • INFI said:

    Why limit to AIS? Random allocation on countries in foreign service. Random distri

    INFI said:

    How about Lottery system? Random allocation of cadre. ;) Even topper can get North East.

    Such type of system existed earlier :#
    Let's bring it back. :grin:
    Let's extend this lottery to central Services also. :joy:
    Service bhi random allot krdo : :D
    haha :D
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