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Skipping IRS Customs in DAF 2017

Recently the seats in IRS C&CE have been reduced drastically. This year also very less seats.

Reason being:

About 70,000 officers of the Central Excise and customs have protested against the decisions of the GST council which they say will make the new regime and its implementation almost entirely a responsibility of state governments and not that of the Centre.
Despite all this, "the Council has handed over 90 per cent of the taxpayers to State without any logic. While the constitution has given powers of Integrated GST (IGST) -- levied on movement of goods and services between states -- only to the Centre, the council has taken a decision to empower state officers also.
"The officers have demanded that there should be minimum 50:50 division of taxpayers between centre and state and that. IGST and high sea sale power should remain with the centre as per the country's constitution," said the statement.


Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/56874234.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

This has many implications for new recruits such as:
- Slow promotions
- Stagnation
- Multiple Seniors
- Top heavy hierarchy
- Lesser powers

Many of the seniors in service are writing cse again to get even so called lower service such as IAAS, IRTS etc vis-a-vis IRS customs.
Please throw more light on it. Are these apprehensions true or not?
(Moderator note:Kindly Use CSM 2017 DAF thread fr ur queries)
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  • brother dont mind but by these standards you should skip half of the services.
    Mood bohot kharab hai kya kare
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  • brother dont mind but by these standards you should skip half of the services.

    Bro I meant should we keep IRS customs at lower preference as compared to IAAS, IRTS, IRAS, IDAS etc?
  • Service preferences will change within a decade.this is beginning.even days of IAS are counted with lateral entry
  • Recently the seats in IRS C&CE have been reduced drastically. This year also very less seats.

    Reason being:

    About 70,000 officers of the Central Excise and customs have protested against the decisions of the GST council which they say will make the new regime and its implementation almost entirely a responsibility of state governments and not that of the Centre.
    Despite all this, "the Council has handed over 90 per cent of the taxpayers to State without any logic. While the constitution has given powers of Integrated GST (IGST) -- levied on movement of goods and services between states -- only to the Centre, the council has taken a decision to empower state officers also.
    "The officers have demanded that there should be minimum 50:50 division of taxpayers between centre and state and that. IGST and high sea sale power should remain with the centre as per the country's constitution," said the statement.


    Read more at:
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/56874234.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

    This has many implications for new recruits such as:
    - Slow promotions
    - Stagnation
    - Multiple Seniors
    - Top heavy hierarchy
    - Lesser powers

    Many of the seniors in service are writing cse again to get even so called lower service such as IAAS, IRTS etc vis-a-vis IRS customs.
    Please throw more light on it. Are these apprehensions true or not?

    Which batch is writing again ? 3-5 years seniority can be sacrificed to get into IAS ifs and ips
  • For IAS i believe 5 year of seniority or even more is nothing..you see how fast they reach to empanelment into js and other post which other services get with more than 20 - 25 years.

    Simple thing is get into IAS in any age and you are better than others
  • @SANATAN is this true?
  • @sananthan is this true?
  • Recently the seats in IRS C&CE have been reduced drastically. This year also very less seats.

    Reason being:

    About 70,000 officers of the Central Excise and customs have protested against the decisions of the GST council which they say will make the new regime and its implementation almost entirely a responsibility of state governments and not that of the Centre.
    Despite all this, "the Council has handed over 90 per cent of the taxpayers to State without any logic. While the constitution has given powers of Integrated GST (IGST) -- levied on movement of goods and services between states -- only to the Centre, the council has taken a decision to empower state officers also.
    "The officers have demanded that there should be minimum 50:50 division of taxpayers between centre and state and that. IGST and high sea sale power should remain with the centre as per the country's constitution," said the statement.

    Read more at:
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/56874234.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

    This has many implications for new recruits such as:
    - Slow promotions
    - Stagnation
    - Multiple Seniors
    - Top heavy hierarchy
    - Lesser powers

    Many of the seniors in service are writing cse again to get even so called lower service such as IAAS, IRTS etc vis-a-vis IRS customs.
    Please throw more light on it. Are these apprehensions true or not?

    Recently the seats in IRS C&CE have been reduced drastically. This year also very less seats.

    Reason being:

    About 70,000 officers of the Central Excise and customs have protested against the decisions of the GST council which they say will make the new regime and its implementation almost entirely a responsibility of state governments and not that of the Centre.
    Despite all this, "the Council has handed over 90 per cent of the taxpayers to State without any logic. While the constitution has given powers of Integrated GST (IGST) -- levied on movement of goods and services between states -- only to the Centre, the council has taken a decision to empower state officers also.
    "The officers have demanded that there should be minimum 50:50 division of taxpayers between centre and state and that. IGST and high sea sale power should remain with the centre as per the country's constitution," said the statement.


    Read more at:
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/56874234.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

    This has many implications for new recruits such as:
    - Slow promotions
    - Stagnation
    - Multiple Seniors
    - Top heavy hierarchy
    - Lesser powers

    Many of the seniors in service are writing cse again to get even so called lower service such as IAAS, IRTS etc vis-a-vis IRS customs.
    Please throw more light on it. Are these apprehensions true or not?


    1. The highlighted part is not true by any stretch of imagination. There is none in the service who is going for IAAS/IDAS/etc. Practically, in our intra-batch discussions too, this idea would be ludicrously dismissed.
    2. People in the service are now slowly accepting the fact that GST is simply not the kind of 'demon' that some had earlier portrayed it to be. Much of what has been circulated in WhatsApp/social media groups regarding impact of GST on our service is totally unverified. Despite all that has been seen in social media, we have learnt that our assesse base and workload have actually gone up by quite some extent in the GST regime.
    3. With State governments coming into the picture, deputation opportunities for IRS (C&CE) Officers are going up manifold.
    4. We have been told that by end of next year, adhoc promotions are going to be regularised. This will drastically improve our chances of empanelment at JS level.
    5. A task force has been created by CBIC to look into the issue of promotions and career opportunities of departmental officers. There are strong signs that this issue is now being tackled at several fronts.
    6. The kind of diversity that IRS(C&CE) offers is next only to IAS. There is simply no comparison with desk jobs like IAAS/IDAS/IRAS etc. It is always advisable to avoid desk jobs, if you are not especially inclined towards them.

    P.S. I generally don't write in forumias, but had to intervene in this discussion just to put this GST-related discussion on IRS(C&CE) in proper perspective.
    IRS (C&CE). Batch of 2016.
  • Thanks for clearing the air.
    @the_bad_guy If you can answer few queries:
    - Why the IRS C&CE seats have been reduced ?
    - Why these officers are protesting if this decision is actually good ?
    - IRS IT is desk job. But why people prefer it over Customs (Field Job)?
    - Where do IRS C&CE deputations occur at present in states?

    Regarding diversity I don't agree. It is actually IFoS which is next to IAS in this regard. Refer:
    http://discuss.forumias.com/discussion/25056/irs-it-vs-ifos/p1
  • Thanks for clearing the air.
    @the_bad_guy If you can answer few queries:
    - Why the IRS C&CE seats have been reduced ?
    - Why these officers are protesting if this decision is actually good ?
    - IRS IT is desk job. But why people prefer it over Customs (Field Job)?
    - Where do IRS C&CE deputations occur at present in states?

    Regarding diversity I don't agree. It is actually IFoS which is next to IAS in this regard. Refer:
    http://discuss.forumias.com/discussion/25056/irs-it-vs-ifos/p1

    Shi pakre hai. B)
  • 007_A said:

    For IAS i believe 5 year of seniority or even more is nothing..you see how fast they reach to empanelment into js and other post which other services get with more than 20 - 25 years.

    Simple thing is get into IAS in any age and you are better than others

    Don't disregard ifs.it has much better lifestyle than ias and empanelments are at par.they dont go for secretary level posting rather prefer being ambassadors.
    Similarly IPS has a lot of deputation opportunities in paramilitary forces.some get deputed in international police organisations also.
    Lot of irs people are being empanelled these days which might point a trend towards specialisations at top posts.only time will tell
  • 007_A said:

    For IAS i believe 5 year of seniority or even more is nothing..you see how fast they reach to empanelment into js and other post which other services get with more than 20 - 25 years.

    Simple thing is get into IAS in any age and you are better than others

    Don't disregard ifs.it has much better lifestyle than ias and empanelments are at par.they dont go for secretary level posting rather prefer being ambassadors.
    Similarly IPS has a lot of deputation opportunities in paramilitary forces.some get deputed in international police organisations also.
    Lot of irs people are being empanelled these days which might point a trend towards specialisations at top posts.only time will tell
    Bro Empanelment in IRS at JS and above are pretty bad actually.
  • 007_A said:

    For IAS i believe 5 year of seniority or even more is nothing..you see how fast they reach to empanelment into js and other post which other services get with more than 20 - 25 years.

    Simple thing is get into IAS in any age and you are better than others

    Don't disregard ifs.it has much better lifestyle than ias and empanelments are at par.they dont go for secretary level posting rather prefer being ambassadors.
    Similarly IPS has a lot of deputation opportunities in paramilitary forces.some get deputed in international police organisations also.
    Lot of irs people are being empanelled these days which might point a trend towards specialisations at top posts.only time will tell
    Bro Empanelment in IRS at JS and above are pretty bad actually.
    Hmm..agree with you given the fact that number is proportionately less compared to huge recruitment taking place in recent years..but my main point was regarding foreign and police services.
  • Ifs is good without doubt.(altogether different thing)
    Ips people left for IAS even after loosing 4 year of seniority (FACT).dont want to name.

    Baki whatever i said is true to the core.

    Rest you can go for whatever you want.. B)
  • 007_A said:

    For IAS i believe 5 year of seniority or even more is nothing..you see how fast they reach to empanelment into js and other post which other services get with more than 20 - 25 years.

    Simple thing is get into IAS in any age and you are better than others

    Don't disregard ifs.it has much better lifestyle than ias and empanelments are at par.they dont go for secretary level posting rather prefer being ambassadors.
    Similarly IPS has a lot of deputation opportunities in paramilitary forces.some get deputed in international police organisations also.
    Lot of irs people are being empanelled these days which might point a trend towards specialisations at top posts.only time will tell
    Bro Empanelment in IRS at JS and above are pretty bad actually.
    Hmm..agree with you given the fact that number is proportionately less compared to huge recruitment taking place in recent years..but my main point was regarding foreign and police services.
    agree
  • 007_A said:

    Ifs is good without doubt.(altogether different thing)
    Ips people left for IAS even after loosing 4 year of seniority (FACT).dont want to name.

    Baki whatever i said is true to the core.

    Rest you can go for whatever you want.. B)

    Agree with the leaving part but my point is you are not at a disadvantage if you choose ifs or IPS over IAS.there are people leaving ifs,IAS altogether.
    2 reasons-
    1.misfit
    2.have something better to do

    These days many people joining IPS and ifs are total misfits.former diplomats have also acknowledged it in various discussions.

    Although IAS provides greater opportunities than IPS yet if it suits you,you can do much better work and be recognised in IPS than being an average ias .examples galore
  • 007_A said:

    Ifs is good without doubt.(altogether different thing)
    Ips people left for IAS even after loosing 4 year of seniority (FACT).dont want to name.

    Baki whatever i said is true to the core.

    Rest you can go for whatever you want.. B)

    Han bro
    IAS will compensate your seniority loss.
    Many exhausted their reserved category attempts for IAS. kitne hote hai? :p
  • Ispe koi consensus banao bhaion .. Got IRTS this time .. Will definitely put IAAS in my pref list .. Customs kaa samajh nahi aa raha kya kiya jaaye ..
    बने पुजारी प्रेमी साकी, गंगाजल पावन हाला,
    रहे फेरता अविरत गति से मधु के प्यालों की माला'
    'और लिये जा, और पीये जा', इसी मंत्र का जाप करे'
    मैं शिव की प्रतिमा बन बैठूं, मंदिर हो यह मधुशाला ।
  • What I find disturbing is 200->100->40 decline if really there will be a lot of work. One 2015 batch is equal in strength to the next 5 batches .. Stagnation to hona chaihiye
    बने पुजारी प्रेमी साकी, गंगाजल पावन हाला,
    रहे फेरता अविरत गति से मधु के प्यालों की माला'
    'और लिये जा, और पीये जा', इसी मंत्र का जाप करे'
    मैं शिव की प्रतिमा बन बैठूं, मंदिर हो यह मधुशाला ।
  • IPS should have some physical test in the start only like ifos, capf...
  • What I find disturbing is 200->100->40 decline if really there will be a lot of work. One 2015 batch is equal in strength to the next 5 batches .. Stagnation to hona chaihiye

    han bro
    but I doubt those in customs will tell the truth.
    Mr Awdhesh Singh will still say, CCE is better than IPS, IFoS,.... even IAS :P
  • IPS should have some physical test in the start only like ifos, capf...
    Bro what I feel is that there should be separate exams for ifs like many diplomats have suggested .
    IPS can be similar to capf with additional papers on law enforcement and the like ..the resentment in capf will also decrease and the army will not criticize the police as physically weak nerds as they laugh on ips now in defence forums.
  • IPS should have some physical test in the start only like ifos, capf...
    Bro what I feel is that there should be separate exams for ifs like many diplomats have suggested .
    IPS can be similar to capf with additional papers on law enforcement and the like ..the resentment in capf will also decrease and the army will not criticize the police as physically weak nerds as they laugh on ips now in defence forums.
    This should be done. Fitness level of most IPS OTs is worst.
  • Bhaio sab moh maya hai..jisko jo man kre kro. B)
    Baki In-service walo se puchne se acha independent party se jankari le lo. :D
  • If we apply logic, how can deputation opportunity increase for new recruits in IRS (C&CE)?
    - Each service has deputation reserve, say X% of cadre strength.
    - You need to reach certain level (years of service) before eligible for deputation. Example: SAG grade for JS
    - Low batch size in subsequent years (200 => 100 => 40), it means the promotions are going to be slow as there are limited top posts. Thus stagnation.
    - On average it takes 21 years in C&CE to reach SAG grade.

    Can someone explain?

    image
  • Skip even ias
    As there will be lateral entry
  • If we apply logic, how can deputation opportunity increase for new recruits in IRS (C&CE)?
    - Each service has deputation reserve, say X% of cadre strength.
    - You need to reach certain level (years of service) before eligible for deputation. Example: SAG grade for JS
    - Low batch size in subsequent years (200 => 100 => 40), it means the promotions are going to be slow as there are limited top posts. Thus stagnation.
    - On average it takes 21 years in C&CE to reach SAG grade.

    Can someone explain?

    image

    kanha se aise wahiyat logic late ho ?

    low strength means good promotion opportunity to reach at top level.
    zone of consideration depends upon vacancy. so it will remain same for 3-4 yrs so after 230 batch 50 batch would have high chances of promotion.
    see the case of 1991-95 batches officer .
  • logout said:

    If we apply logic, how can deputation opportunity increase for new recruits in IRS (C&CE)?
    - Each service has deputation reserve, say X% of cadre strength.
    - You need to reach certain level (years of service) before eligible for deputation. Example: SAG grade for JS
    - Low batch size in subsequent years (200 => 100 => 40), it means the promotions are going to be slow as there are limited top posts. Thus stagnation.
    - On average it takes 21 years in C&CE to reach SAG grade.

    Can someone explain?

    image

    kanha se aise wahiyat logic late ho ?

    low strength means good promotion opportunity to reach at top level.
    zone of consideration depends upon vacancy. so it will remain same for 3-4 yrs so after 230 batch 50 batch would have high chances of promotion.
    see the case of 1991-95 batches officer .
    So as per your "Stud" logic, seats have decreased to improve promotion prospects? Middle level pe jo bhare hue hai wo kaha jaenge? :D IRS officers were protesting because they were getting better promotions, lolwa?

  • Skip even ias
    As there will be lateral entry

    Arey sir. That is for certain posts in centre, not for DM. Lateral entry toh IFS m bhi hoti hai.
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