Horrific read on Crime in Delhi's suburbs - Do we need a Duterte?

I am not from Delhi so I found this article alarming and terrifying. To read about horrifying crimes against children and women and that too in the capital is disgusting to say the least. While this might be the case in suburbs of other metros, what makes Delhi stand out in such crimes. What are the underlying reasons from a sociological perspective.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/WC5Ey3efB2xcZ7XMeW6X5K/The-badlands-of-Delhi.html

As a future IAS, IPS officer, what do you think can be done to tackle such heinous crimes. Is it time for a Rodrigo Duterte like person to clean this mess.

I hope this thread does not sink amidst the bakar threads.

Comments

  • Tbh, nothing. Controlling such acts require political will which is missing. Most of these criminals aren't caught as they payoff the police of which a certain amount is passed on to higher authorities.
  • edited July 21
    The family called the police and the man was arrested and later, bailed. The case is still on.

    From the Simpson's :"If you're the police, who will police the police?"
    Desi Duterte is a recipe for disaster.

    If you can manage to make some time, see if you can watch the anime PsychoPass, it raises quite a few questions similar to yours.
    Its called garbage can, not garbage cannot.
  • looks very pathetic. These types of crime cannot happen until there are political protections given to the perpetrator. The way NCW is treating the victims shows the attitude of incumbents towards such serious matters.

    A smack head has better understanding of the crimes than those sitting in AC cabins and writing research papers on it. I feel absolutely disgusted to be a part of a society who tolerates such acts. I hope some of us get up there and do their part for the larger justice.
    na paas hone ki chinta
    na fail hone ka gam
    jab tak h dum
    form bharenge hum
  • Being a father , I can't imagine the pain that goes through these people's minds. That feeling of being helpless, aggrieved and yet the realization that life must go on. We are all aspiring to be IAS and IPS with all the perks and security associated with it but isn't the job of a civil servant to make the lives of people better. It's always the NGOs that are there for these people.

    There is no accountability to anyone. Police may have the reason of being understaffed but what makes the officials of NCW behave with such apathy. And those in power who can't make a school for these people's children but yet need their votes, who will make them pay?

    While a Duterte is unlikely to appear in the current scenario, I feel we will not change until we are pushed to the brink. When these problems starts affecting those high up in power and the well off, then people will start thinking of solutions and the political will to make it happen.

    I just hope at least some those who make it as civil servants gather the courage and will to make some difference to these people.
  • Population of Philippines is 103 M and population of maharashtra is 113... We cant compare India with this country.. We have many leaders like Duterte say Raj Thakre, Narendra Modi and Many more. But see their one cleaning step attracts wrath from all over India... One duterte act in india will attract President Rule in That state... Can you imagine philippines like situation in India where population is nearly 12 times...


    You can be Duterte in area of your mohalla but you cant when it comes to 12time bigger area.... Modi was powerful in gujarat but helpless across India... even if you give duterte PM seat..he will be same guys as NM......
  • this is so terrifying. For a minute I thought I was reading a fictional tale centered around some mythical hellish place. How ignorant I am about my India, how can such a level of criminality exist in a society that proud itself to be the birthplace of great people like Buddha. I just cant express in words the repugnance that I felt reading this report.
    :cry: :cry:
    Man is but a reed, the weakest in nature, but he is a thinking reed
  • edited July 21
    My optimist takeaway from the article was that, in the first case, the dad was proud and supportive the child was brave enough to escape and point out the criminal. And whether the pulice accept the FIR or not, people are trying to speak out.

    “I am proud of my daughter. She has a lot of courage. Most girls will be too scared to run the way she did.”

    Then there's

    CWC: Do you make all your girls do things like this? You want to put them in the profession? Is this why you are producing children?

    The police do very little to earn any kind of respect from the people, says Maya. There is, instead, great mutual distrust, bordering on hatred.

    “The police said they will put up posters, but they didn’t,” says Urmila. “We did that ourselves. The IO (investigative officer) in the case has changed three times in this last year. The first one was transferred after just a month. The next one was there for six.

    I won't quote the numbers they mention, but it seems either there is a huge pedo ring with influential people and the gangs involved in it, and/or the suffocating quarters and rampant alcohol/drug use has reached peak fermentation.
    Its called garbage can, not garbage cannot.
  • edited July 21
    @habibi_ias

    Well Duterte had a past - as the Mayor of Davao city - what he did there propelled him to become the President. I don't call for autocracy and certainly don't like hard talking men but ignoring crimes such as these is bigger sin. Desperate issues like child rape, trafficking, women abuse should be handled with iron hands.

    And it is not one person assuming all the powers in a state or country, it is about scores of leaders rising up, taking steps in the right direction. And this reminds me of the author in M.Night Shyamalan's "Lady in the Water" - his book inspiring others to change the world.

    I believe it is the civil servants who can take the first step as they don't need to ask for votes.

    @sylvian_10

    "I won't quote the numbers they mention, but it seems either there is a huge pedo ring with influential people and the gangs involved in it, and/or the suffocating quarters and rampant alcohol/drug use has reached peak fermentation. "

    You are right. That along with lack of concern is the primary reason. As long as it does not affect these officials, they don't care for others while they are paid to do the opposite.
  • @habibi_ias
    I believe it is the civil servants who can take the first step as they don't need to ask for votes.
    .

    But they also don't want transfers every 6 months which is also the most likely scenario one faces when he tries to tackle an entrenched group of criminals.
  • Vrikodara said:

    @habibi_ias
    I believe it is the civil servants who can take the first step as they don't need to ask for votes.
    .

    But they also don't want transfers every 6 months which is also the most likely scenario one faces when he tries to tackle an entrenched group of criminals.
    But they can help put in the tracks to deal with similar issues in place, yes? Even if they stay for a few years and then transfer out, whats preventing the local police force from going back to its apathetic slacking?
    Its called garbage can, not garbage cannot.
  • @habibi_ias

    Well Duterte had a past - as the Mayor of Davao city - what he did there propelled him to become the President. I don't call for autocracy and certainly don't like hard talking men but ignoring crimes such as these is bigger sin. Desperate issues like child rape, trafficking, women abuse should be handled with iron hands.

    And it is not one person assuming all the powers in a state or country, it is about scores of leaders rising up, taking steps in the right direction. And this reminds me of the author in M.Night Shyamalan's "Lady in the Water" - his book inspiring others to change the world.

    I believe it is the civil servants who can take the first step as they don't need to ask for votes.

    @sylvian_10

    "I won't quote the numbers they mention, but it seems either there is a huge pedo ring with influential people and the gangs involved in it, and/or the suffocating quarters and rampant alcohol/drug use has reached peak fermentation. "

    You are right. That along with lack of concern is the primary reason. As long as it does not affect these officials, they don't care for others while they are paid to do the opposite.

    Having read the article coldly, what struck me was that even if you factor in the population density, alcohol, drug use, crime rate, it is an unusually high number of reported juvenile kidnappings and sexual assault. That case where the NGO lady had to go in to force them to accept the FIR, and the kidnapping one where the OIC kept being changed/transferred out, these are highly suspicious if the criminals are just slum dwellers/predators. Fine, I can understand them not keeping FIRs/bribery/bails whatever angle. the transfers and changes were the most suspicious. I have a bad feeling its big trafficking ring or someone high up involved in a pedo ring like the UK one.
    Its called garbage can, not garbage cannot.
  • edited July 21
    Vrikodara said:


    But they also don't want transfers every 6 months which is also the most likely scenario one faces when he tries to tackle an entrenched group of criminals.

    Yes. That's the pain civil servants have to bear. After all it's a transfer for standing up for a cause.

    Having read the article coldly, what struck me was that even if you factor in the population density, alcohol, drug use, crime rate, it is an unusually high number of reported juvenile kidnappings and sexual assault. I can understand them not keeping FIRs/bribery/bails whatever angle. the transfers and changes were the most suspicious. I have a bad feeling its big trafficking ring or someone high up involved in a pedo ring like the UK one.

    Yes. That's what is alarming and this is taking place in the capital and that too post Nirbhaya. Something sinister is going on and hope this livemint article gets some people punished..

  • “When they were taking the girl, they told her not to sit in the car because she was dirty,” says Maya. “They said ‘go and stand in the back of the gypsy’. When we intervened, they got some newspapers out and laid them on top of the seats before they allowed her to sit.”

    Basics
  • First of all you cannot call yourself a police officer unless you have learnt the basics of policing. IPS officers are glorified uniformed managers, who simply manage the police force without having any experience in policing. The basics of policing are learnt while being on the beat, patrolling the streets on foot or in a vehicle, yes thats where you learn the basics of policing. While living abroad in a western commonwealth country I witnessed community policing first hand. The beat constable allotted to an area has excellent rapport with the people living in the area. You have to work as a beat constable or as a sergeant to rise through the ranks of the police force, unlike India where after passing the civil services exam you become a district police chief within a short span of time. Every American of British police chief or commissioner has begun his or her career on the streets, they have learnt it the hard way and yes this system has paid these nations strong dividends

    The current commissioner of the London Metropolitan Police is a woman officer called Cressida Dick and yes she started her career in the police force from the rank of a constable
    The current commissioner of the New York Police department is a gentleman called James P.O. Neill, he joined the NYPD as a patrolman (american equivalent of constable) and rose through the ranks

    However we have IPS officers who are not specialists in their fields, one IPS officer can work in state police, he or she can also work in our internal and external intelligence services (ever heard of police officers heading the CIA , MI6 or Mossad ?) and can head CAPFs, bhai IPS aadmi nahi bhagwan hai woh kuch bhi kar sakte hain chahe specialisation jaye bhaadh mein

    Not surprised to see the sorry state of our police forces
    "I don’t lose any sleep at night over the potential for failure. I cannot even spell the word". Gen James Mattis
  • @habibi_ias

    Well Duterte had a past - as the Mayor of Davao city - what he did there propelled him to become the President. I don't call for autocracy and certainly don't like hard talking men but ignoring crimes such as these is bigger sin. Desperate issues like child rape, trafficking, women abuse should be handled with iron hands.

    And it is not one person assuming all the powers in a state or country, it is about scores of leaders rising up, taking steps in the right direction. And this reminds me of the author in M.Night Shyamalan's "Lady in the Water" - his book inspiring others to change the world.

    I believe it is the civil servants who can take the first step as they don't need to ask for votes.

    @sylvian_10

    "I won't quote the numbers they mention, but it seems either there is a huge pedo ring with influential people and the gangs involved in it, and/or the suffocating quarters and rampant alcohol/drug use has reached peak fermentation. "

    You are right. That along with lack of concern is the primary reason. As long as it does not affect these officials, they don't care for others while they are paid to do the opposite.

    Having read the article coldly, what struck me was that even if you factor in the population density, alcohol, drug use, crime rate, it is an unusually high number of reported juvenile kidnappings and sexual assault. That case where the NGO lady had to go in to force them to accept the FIR, and the kidnapping one where the OIC kept being changed/transferred out, these are highly suspicious if the criminals are just slum dwellers/predators. Fine, I can understand them not keeping FIRs/bribery/bails whatever angle. the transfers and changes were the most suspicious. I have a bad feeling its big trafficking ring or someone high up involved in a pedo ring like the UK one.
    Outer Delhi and several other parts of Delhi have a high rate of crime because the Delhi police at least files FIRs, Delhi police may not investigate all the cases but yes, it files the FIRs, I have a lot of respect for Delhi police because it is amongst the better police forces in our country, one reason could be because it is under the control of the MHA and Lt Governor. Things in states like UP and Bihar are far worse, however the crime rate may be low because FIRs are never filed. Trust me, the situation in UP is far more worse than Delhi
    "I don’t lose any sleep at night over the potential for failure. I cannot even spell the word". Gen James Mattis
  • spetsnaz said:

    @habibi_ias

    Well Duterte had a past - as the Mayor of Davao city - what he did there propelled him to become the President. I don't call for autocracy and certainly don't like hard talking men but ignoring crimes such as these is bigger sin. Desperate issues like child rape, trafficking, women abuse should be handled with iron hands.

    And it is not one person assuming all the powers in a state or country, it is about scores of leaders rising up, taking steps in the right direction. And this reminds me of the author in M.Night Shyamalan's "Lady in the Water" - his book inspiring others to change the world.

    I believe it is the civil servants who can take the first step as they don't need to ask for votes.

    @sylvian_10

    "I won't quote the numbers they mention, but it seems either there is a huge pedo ring with influential people and the gangs involved in it, and/or the suffocating quarters and rampant alcohol/drug use has reached peak fermentation. "

    You are right. That along with lack of concern is the primary reason. As long as it does not affect these officials, they don't care for others while they are paid to do the opposite.

    Having read the article coldly, what struck me was that even if you factor in the population density, alcohol, drug use, crime rate, it is an unusually high number of reported juvenile kidnappings and sexual assault. That case where the NGO lady had to go in to force them to accept the FIR, and the kidnapping one where the OIC kept being changed/transferred out, these are highly suspicious if the criminals are just slum dwellers/predators. Fine, I can understand them not keeping FIRs/bribery/bails whatever angle. the transfers and changes were the most suspicious. I have a bad feeling its big trafficking ring or someone high up involved in a pedo ring like the UK one.
    Outer Delhi and several other parts of Delhi have a high rate of crime because the Delhi police at least files FIRs, Delhi police may not investigate all the cases but yes, it files the FIRs, I have a lot of respect for Delhi police because it is amongst the better police forces in our country, one reason could be because it is under the control of the MHA and Lt Governor. Things in states like UP and Bihar are far worse, however the crime rate may be low because FIRs are never filed. Trust me, the situation in UP is far more worse than Delhi
    Oh I have no personal edge with Delhi Police, I am neutral on their handling. They probably have their hands full dealing with criminals/heavy scrutiny being the capital/cry baby ministers and bureaucrats and jaanta hai mera baap kaun hai suv drivers.

    What I was trying to point out was the incidence of crime on children and that specific area and demographic, not Delhi as a whole. It could be as you said that the rate is high, because the reporting is high. But it sets off some alarms in my head, I can't seem to articulate why.
    Its called garbage can, not garbage cannot.
  • @spetsnaz
    Completely agree. That has to be the way going forward and this is why I support lateral hiring in the civil services as well.
  • edited July 22
    Hahaha. Civil Servant? What would civil servant do? Hope you must have read about the fate of civil servant near the capital a few days ago.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/uttar-pradesh-woman-cop-who-had-argument-with-bjp-workers-transferred-4731617/

    UP policewoman, who stood up to BJP workers, transferred; ‘done to keep the pride of party workers intact
  • We need Batman
  • Shad said:

    Hahaha. Civil Servant? What would civil servant do? Hope you must have read about the fate of civil servant near the capital a few days ago.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/uttar-pradesh-woman-cop-who-had-argument-with-bjp-workers-transferred-4731617/

    UP policewoman, who stood up to BJP workers, transferred; ‘done to keep the pride of party workers intact

    The altercation between BJP workers and Thakur happened after they protested against police action on one of its leaders, Pramod Kumar. He was slapped with a fine of Rs 200 for not wearing a helmet while riding his motorcycle.

    These mucking troglodytes. How much of an inflated ego must a person have to rant and rave over a helmet fine?
    Its called garbage can, not garbage cannot.
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