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IRS(IT) vs IFoS?

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  • logout said:

    Are IRS (IT) officers provided with 24*7 car with a chauffeur?

    How does IRS (IT) compare with IPS from north east cadre like manipur/Nagaland ?

    No you don't. Only when you are posted as department heads.
    One of the USP of IRS IT is that they are posted in metros. But you don't even get government residence. With current HRA, metros m 2BHK hi leke dikha do. :p
    With bungalow, government vehicles...facilities in IFoS are much much better.
    Govt residence is provided.
    itta mat dubao but waiting time is there.
    Yar phir state to state vary karta hoga.
    In my state, I have seen many living in rented apartments.
  • Which one to join?

    One is All india Service like IAS/IPS and the other is one of the best Central services?

    Share your views please.

    Bro IRS (IT) anyday

    PS: Had both interview calls but no positive result in either :(
  • Which one to join?

    One is All india Service like IAS/IPS and the other is one of the best Central services?

    Share your views please.

    Bro IRS (IT) anyday

    PS: Had both interview calls but no positive result in either :(
    Can you compare IRS (IT) with IPS from North East cadre ?
    CSE 2016 Indian Police Service ( IPS )
  • Vehicle aur bunglaw se to jindagi nahin Kat sakti. Influence among people isn't it a big thing? Even in central deputations irs are employed as in cbi ed or dri. IRS It or customs both are anyday better than IFoS. Match the name of people who have vcleared ifos and still opted for irs it or customs.
  • rastplyr said:

    Vehicle aur bunglaw se to jindagi nahin Kat sakti. Influence among people isn't it a big thing? Even in central deputations irs are employed as in cbi ed or dri. IRS It or customs both are anyday better than IFoS. Match the name of people who have vcleared ifos and still opted for irs it or customs.

    Cadre Strength of IRS = ‎10,133 [ 5541 (IT) + 4592 (CCE) ]

    Number of Secretary/Add. Secretary/Joint Secretary in IRS = 9 (IT) + 4(Customs)

    Cadre Strength of IFoS = 3,131

    Number of Secretary/Add. Secretary/Joint Secretary in IFoS = 30

    Lolwa to your better central deputations. :D
  • Even 7th Pay commission recommended pay parity between IAS, IPS and IFoS because of their critical functions in district administration.

    IRS toh picture m bhi nahi hai :p

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  • IPS and IFoS have pay structure which nullify the initial edge given to IAS officers. IAS lobby is trying hard to retain its edge.

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  • edited July 12
    Most choose service based on heard mentality rather than based on facts and nature of service. This is similar to choosing IITs. Even with better academics and placements of IIT Delhi, most of my friends chose IIT Bombay even with Metallurgy. I went for IIT Delhi.

    Most are not aware about IFoS. They reason being separate exam from CSE, science background eligibility, less number of officers... Only in recent years awareness has increased and that too because of common prelims.

    But now those who are mature enough and put emphasis on facts are opting for IFoS over IRS. For Example:


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    rastplyr said:

    Vehicle aur bunglaw se to jindagi nahin Kat sakti. Influence among people isn't it a big thing? Even in central deputations irs are employed as in cbi ed or dri. IRS It or customs both are anyday better than IFoS. Match the name of people who have vcleared ifos and still opted for irs it or customs.

    Cadre Strength of IRS = ‎10,133 [ 5541 (IT) + 4592 (CCE) ]

    Number of Secretary/Add. Secretary/Joint Secretary in IRS = 9 (IT) + 4(Customs)

    Cadre Strength of IFoS = 3,131

    Number of Secretary/Add. Secretary/Joint Secretary in IFoS = 30

    Lolwa to your better central deputations. :D
    Central deputation kya sirf JS/AS hi hote hain. There are number of others in investigation as well as administration. Foreign postings are also there. Most importantly day to day power and respect. Forest Mein to hippo tumko salute maraa karenge :D yahaan it is common man which would fear you. Ase to logon se ias chhod kar ips/ifs liya to kya they are better. Exceptions are also there. And 92 rank in 2015 chose irs albeit he is allocated ias. Then what irs is better than ias? IRS has more power to create nuisance and contribution to the nation as working as revenue collectors. GST ka itna halla gulla Hua, kya environmental protection act,1986 ka Hua tha. Black money black money chillate hain kya eia eia ya project tiger / project gharial chillate hue aam aadmi ko dekha hai. IRS is better full stop.
  • rastplyr said:


    rastplyr said:

    Vehicle aur bunglaw se to jindagi nahin Kat sakti. Influence among people isn't it a big thing? Even in central deputations irs are employed as in cbi ed or dri. IRS It or customs both are anyday better than IFoS. Match the name of people who have vcleared ifos and still opted for irs it or customs.

    Cadre Strength of IRS = ‎10,133 [ 5541 (IT) + 4592 (CCE) ]

    Number of Secretary/Add. Secretary/Joint Secretary in IRS = 9 (IT) + 4(Customs)

    Cadre Strength of IFoS = 3,131

    Number of Secretary/Add. Secretary/Joint Secretary in IFoS = 30

    Lolwa to your better central deputations. :D
    Central deputation kya sirf JS/AS hi hote hain. There are number of others in investigation as well as administration. Foreign postings are also there. Most importantly day to day power and respect. Forest Mein to hippo tumko salute maraa karenge :D yahaan it is common man which would fear you. Ase to logon se ias chhod kar ips/ifs liya to kya they are better. Exceptions are also there. And 92 rank in 2015 chose irs albeit he is allocated ias. Then what irs is better than ias? IRS has more power to create nuisance and contribution to the nation as working as revenue collectors. GST ka itna halla gulla Hua, kya environmental protection act,1986 ka Hua tha. Black money black money chillate hain kya eia eia ya project tiger / project gharial chillate hue aam aadmi ko dekha hai. IRS is better full stop.
    Wah Kya soch hai !
    Aap ke liye SSC better hai :mask:
  • Kerala m stray dogs bhi bahut nuisance create karte hai and people fear them a lot. :D :p
  • For raw power, IPS beats all other services..postings in CBI,ED etc are all powerful.ias has influence but the DM no longer writes ACR of heads of other departments ..in many places even class D employees don't care for IAS being backed by mazdoor unions..they can transfer dm anytime with their vote banks.but in IPS there is discipline and working like similar to army and there is less nonsense
  • edited July 13
    http://www.patnadaily.com/index.php/news/12363-ias-officer-arrested-in-bssc-scam-officer-association-livid.html

    Despite being from 2005 batch IPS,he took action against very senior people 1980 batch ias....whole IAS association came in protest without much result..what else can be more nuisance than this?

    IAS has much greater developmental role than any service but when it comes to nuisance nothing beats IPS..and same for glamour and royal lifestyle no service is near IFS( foreign not forest)
  • ACR se yaad aya...Annual Confidential Report (ACR) of an IFoS officer is always prepared by another IFoS officer unlike other services.
    No doubt why central deputation are top notch in IFoS
  • For raw power, IPS beats all other services..postings in CBI,ED etc are all powerful.ias has influence but the DM no longer writes ACR of heads of other departments ..in many places even class D employees don't care for IAS being backed by mazdoor unions..they can transfer dm anytime with their vote banks.but in IPS there is discipline and working like similar to army and there is less nonsense

    Han.
    Best thing about IPS is the feel of uniform :love:
    It allows you to make maximum impact on life of people, provided you are honest.
  • For raw power, IPS beats all other services..postings in CBI,ED etc are all powerful.ias has influence but the DM no longer writes ACR of heads of other departments ..in many places even class D employees don't care for IAS being backed by mazdoor unions..they can transfer dm anytime with their vote banks.but in IPS there is discipline and working like similar to army and there is less nonsense

    Han.
    Best thing about IPS is the feel of uniform :love:
    It allows you to make maximum impact on life of people, provided you are honest.
    Absolutely agree..it gives more satisfaction to rescue an abducted son to a mother than implementing some Jan dhan scheme

  • An example of diversity of irs (c &ce)

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  • compare IRS (IT) with IPS from North East cadre ?

    Please someone list pros and cons.I am specifically focussing on North East cadre because of the negative reviews we generally get.
    CSE 2016 Indian Police Service ( IPS )
  • compare IRS (IT) with IPS from North East cadre ?

    Please someone list pros and cons.I am specifically focussing on North East cadre because of the negative reviews we generally get.

    both are good provided that u r brave enough to brace northeast seperatist ,away from mainland india,and politician attack ... if not go for IRS any day
    “The road to power is paved with hypocrisy, and casualties. Never regret.”
  • edited July 13
    iss thread ne mujhe aur confusia diya....

    ias=ips=ifs

    irs=ifos..dono thik lag rha hai
    All exams considered bloody tough in India-CLEARED

    CSE '16 rank- In 300s

  • edited July 13
    If you have aptitude and really want to work choose IPS..it's better to be a top IPS than an average ias any day..



    Also u get opportunity to work in UNSC and interpol,lyon too and enjoy flavour of IFS
  • iss thread ne mujhe aur confusia diya....

    ias=ips=ifs

    irs=ifos..dono thik lag rha hai

    It is better to consult already in-service officers rather than forum. They can give better insights.

    Apart what others had followed in the past and why did they do so when faced such dilemma. Try to get in touch with those people.

    Cadre also matters in selection of service.
    Just do it.
  • Ides has multiple servants including gardner cook etc, bunglaw and batti(as in past). Still it is considered to be lowly compared to irs. Draw a similarity with ifos.
  • rastplyr said:

    Ides has multiple servants including gardner cook etc, bunglaw and batti(as in past). Still it is considered to be lowly compared to irs. Draw a similarity with ifos.

    FYI promotions are slow in IDES and job lacks diversity similar to IRS IT.
  • Someone in service wrote about IRS IT

    IT:
    1. Lesser job diversity, you specialize in implementing that 1 Act! There are some varied postings available, like in investigation and intelligence. Also some in foreign agencies.
    2. IRS (IT) training, I'm told, is the most intense, serious and therefore boring of all services.
    3. You are feared by the rich and mighty, if that pumps up your ego. But that happens rarely. Moreover with digitization public interface is negligible now.
    4. Don't expect to be in a managerial role right away. In fact, as an entry level officer or even as Dy Commissioner, you may not have anyone reporting to you! Only JCs (8+ years of service) will have some people management to do. In your initial years, you are more of an individual contributor.
    5. More of a desk job than C&CE. Yes, you do "raids"/searches, but once in a blue moon. Expect to be good friends with some fat books and files.
    6. Recent cadre restructuring in IRS (IT) seems to have boosted the morale. You can now aspire to rise to Principal Chief Commissioner of Income Tax, which is the rank of Secretary to the Govt of India.
    7. Slow promotions
  • Empanelment in IFoS are much better than any other service (Except IAS). It beats even IPS in representation at Secretary, Add. Secretary and Joint Secretary. Refer: 7th Pay commission Report. If I had the choice, I would opt for IFoS.

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    I Am wondering for Central Secretariat services :o They are recruited by SSC CGL at 4600 grade pay and reach at joint secretary level. Am i missing something ??
  • okie said:

    Someone in service wrote about IRS IT

    IT:
    1. Lesser job diversity, you specialize in implementing that 1 Act! There are some varied postings available, like in investigation and intelligence. Also some in foreign agencies.
    2. IRS (IT) training, I'm told, is the most intense, serious and therefore boring of all services.
    3. You are feared by the rich and mighty, if that pumps up your ego. But that happens rarely. Moreover with digitization public interface is negligible now.
    4. Don't expect to be in a managerial role right away. In fact, as an entry level officer or even as Dy Commissioner, you may not have anyone reporting to you! Only JCs (8+ years of service) will have some people management to do. In your initial years, you are more of an individual contributor.
    5. More of a desk job than C&CE. Yes, you do "raids"/searches, but once in a blue moon. Expect to be good friends with some fat books and files.
    6. Recent cadre restructuring in IRS (IT) seems to have boosted the morale. You can now aspire to rise to Principal Chief Commissioner of Income Tax, which is the rank of Secretary to the Govt of India.
    7. Slow promotions

    point 6 is encouraging while point 4 is depressing

    All exams considered bloody tough in India-CLEARED

    CSE '16 rank- In 300s

  • Fluid said:

    Empanelment in IFoS are much better than any other service (Except IAS). It beats even IPS in representation at Secretary, Add. Secretary and Joint Secretary. Refer: 7th Pay commission Report. If I had the choice, I would opt for IFoS.

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    I Am wondering for Central Secretariat services :o They are recruited by SSC CGL at 4600 grade pay and reach at joint secretary level. Am i missing something ??
    JS to GOI is plum posting for CSS, they cannot reach Additional Secretary or Secretary.
    Eligibility as in 2017
    CSS - 1974 Batch is JS. (That too from the year you become SO after passing dept. exam by UPSC i.e, after 5 years of continuous service)
    AIS - 1999 Batch is JS.
    Cadre size
    CSS - 11,550 members
    IAS/IPS/IFoS - ~3000

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    For CSS:

    Promotion from the post of Asst. Section Officer, recruited through SSC-CGL.

    AN A.S.O, after 5 years of continuous service is eligible to give Limited Department exam (conducted by U.P.S.C) to get promoted to S.O. For them, merit list is a combination of rank in this exam, their age and A.C.R.

    It takes 4 years for a Section Officer, Grade Pay - 4800, to get promoted in the pay band of Grade Pay 5400, and at least 4 more years to be promoted to the rank of Under Secretary (Grade Pay-6600).

    Practically, for promotion to U.S, the number of seats available in the cadre (e.g. C.S.S, A.F.H.Q, MEA, M.R) plays the role of villain, which lengthens the waiting period from 4 years to around 6, 7 or sometimes even 10 years.

    For promotion from Under Secretary to Deputy Secretary, it generally takes 4-5 years of service and similar is the case from Deputy Secretary to Director.

    Note : The vacancy in higher rung of the service is very less as compared to the lower rung. This is the main cause in the delay of promotion.
  • okie said:

    Someone in service wrote about IRS IT

    IT:
    1. Lesser job diversity, you specialize in implementing that 1 Act! There are some varied postings available, like in investigation and intelligence. Also some in foreign agencies.
    2. IRS (IT) training, I'm told, is the most intense, serious and therefore boring of all services.
    3. You are feared by the rich and mighty, if that pumps up your ego. But that happens rarely. Moreover with digitization public interface is negligible now.
    4. Don't expect to be in a managerial role right away. In fact, as an entry level officer or even as Dy Commissioner, you may not have anyone reporting to you! Only JCs (8+ years of service) will have some people management to do. In your initial years, you are more of an individual contributor.
    5. More of a desk job than C&CE. Yes, you do "raids"/searches, but once in a blue moon. Expect to be good friends with some fat books and files.
    6. Recent cadre restructuring in IRS (IT) seems to have boosted the morale. You can now aspire to rise to Principal Chief Commissioner of Income Tax, which is the rank of Secretary to the Govt of India.
    7. Slow promotions

    In IFoS from the first posting only, you will have managerial role and large number of SFS officials... will be reporting to you. Also they have policing powers...
    Refer:

    An IFS officer is largely independent of the district administration and exercises administrative, legal and financial powers in his own domain. They search premises, make an arrest for forest law violations and give judgments related to forest matters. The IFS officers, however, also discharge functions that normally fall in the domain of IAS and IPS officers in the field. These include implementation of traditional development schemes, land records and surveys, revenue generation, law enforcement (policing and quasi-judicial functions), supporting livelihoods of forest-fringe populations, assisting anti-naxal and anti-insurgency operations, etc.

    Also, the Annual Confidential Report (ACR) of an IFS officer is always prepared by another IFS officer until you are directly under Chief Secretary. Apart from this, much of the funding to the IFS cadre comes through independent channels like MoEFCC, UNEP and other International agencies. The overall aura of the service gives you a better scope to express yourself.


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