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Just 90 votes for Irom Sharmila. How is this justified ?

Mukhtar Ansari won contesting from the jail, Raja bhaiyaa won with a huge margin of 1 lakh votes, Bikram majithiya won.
But the person who spent 16 precious years of her youth got only 90 votes, while Sitting CM Okram Ibobi singh (mister ten percent) won comfortably.
I simply cant understand what's wrong.
Is this the true nature of indian democracy,
was she fighting for a wrong cause,
why Manipur rejected her with such a humiliating mandate ?

anybody please enlighten us. is there anybody from manipur here ? what is the ground story?
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  • Mukhtar aur raja bhaiya se logo ko darr lagta hai sharmilla se nahi.
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  • she got 90 votes because she can't manipulate
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  • Darr (muscle power), Paisa(capitalist businessman support) aur pralobhan/lalach (Power In hand) Bina inke vote pana muskil hai
    %$#@^&%^*&#%@%$^$^#^^- writing my own destiny.. .. .. ..
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  • People simply doesn't want to waste their vote ,for candidate who has slim chances to win.They want here choice to win n form government.dis also explains Y nota doesn't gets vote.
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  • Because it all comes down to Paisa and power in politics. Ideology usually fails if not combined with Paisa. Sad but true in case of our beloved democracy. B)
    Character has to be established through a thousand stumbles...
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  • If it all come down to paisa,muscle power or manipulation people wouldn't have given 4000 votes to nota in the same constituency...
    She got 90 votes because she was not connected with people and was loosing ground support of masses.
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    Because it all comes down to Paisa and power in politics. Ideology usually fails if not combined with Paisa. Sad but true in case of our beloved democracy. B)

    There are many examples in contemporary Indian politics where what you wrote above has no meaning. People who were giants with power and money had lost elections and people with meagre resources had won. This will be repeated in future too. Simple reason is, voters have rejected her! Her own state people simply dont agree with her political stand whether it is of AFSPA, army brutality . They want their real issues to get addressed from people who have real experience in sorting them out. Her pathetic rejection clearly shows that stand which she thinks is big has no real significance for the people of Manipur. Had it been, then at least she would have been above NOTA option. Liberals will cry foul now and may call it rigged. People have to understand, every activist can not be a leader. It seems everyone wants to become now AK, grab power and become chief minister. Voters are smart, they see everything.
    Pseudo liberals in past have wasted lot of money in raising her against the concept of constitutionally backed steps(though draconian but necessity is the mother of all evil) but have miserably failed. This proves people of her own state love to see Manipur integrated in India politically and geographically, this wont be possible without afspa as state alone houses 40 terror groups which makes it distorted, disturbed and brutally violent.
    One burger a day, keeps fitness away.
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  • simple now people of manipur will face what they are facing till eternity
    no one will stand for their cause from now onwards
    chocolate is my life
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  • Burger said:

    Because it all comes down to Paisa and power in politics. Ideology usually fails if not combined with Paisa. Sad but true in case of our beloved democracy. B)

    There are many examples in contemporary Indian politics where what you wrote above has no meaning. People who were giants with power and money had lost elections and people with meagre resources had won. This will be repeated in future too. Simple reason is, voters have rejected her! Her own state people simply dont agree with her political stand whether it is of AFSPA, army brutality . They want their real issues to get addressed from people who have real experience in sorting them out. Her pathetic rejection clearly shows that stand which she thinks is big has no real significance for the people of Manipur. Had it been, then at least she would have been above NOTA option. Liberals will cry foul now and may call it rigged. People have to understand, every activist can not be a leader. It seems everyone wants to become now AK, grab power and become chief minister. Voters are smart, they see everything.
    Pseudo liberals in past have wasted lot of money in raising her against the concept of constitutionally backed steps(though draconian but necessity is the mother of all evil) but have miserably failed. This proves people of her own state love to see Manipur integrated in India politically and geographically, this wont be possible without afspa as state alone houses 40 terror groups which makes it distorted, disturbed and brutally violent.
    Real iasues which are plaguing state is very high rate of unemployment and poverty, low capital formation, inadequate infrastructural facilities, geographical isolation, communication bottlenecks and practically no industrialisation. All this forces, eductaed unemployed youth towards militant groups which is destroying future of them. Also, Manipur is very strategicay located state in NE. Diluting afspa will render it to anarchy and aggression threatening integrity of the country. Lets accept with a pinch of salt that her own tribal people have rejected her ruthlessly.
    One burger a day, keeps fitness away.
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  • media's darling had to taste such a bitter medicine of harsh reality. Go to local areas of bhaiyas, Ansari's and majithias you will realise that they get work done for the local people.
    While media favourites just preach without any real and sustainable solutions.

    Just see how TH and whole liberal media lot will go crazy in the days to come.

    Reality check for these people.
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  • With inputs from a Manipuri friend...
    The most important difference between Manipur and Nagaland/ Tripura is Manipuris are not a single tribe...so everyone considers their own tribe to be the eligible ruler of the land...They kill each other ruthlessly (my friend's uncle, a DSP rank officer was shot dead on road)..They support the army forces but then, only to the extent that they can be a diluting force against these tribal wars, but when AF has started taking advantage of this situation and has become one of the parties in these incidents, they wanted them to stop. Sharmila got this emotion wrong..people wanted army to protect but without committing atrocities whereas she wanted their complete removal from Manipur..they are aware of drugs from Myanmar and effect on their children..Without AF stopping drugs will not be possible..this is where she lost..
    "We dance around in a ring and suppose,
    The truth sits in the middle and knows"
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  • 1. vague agenda: when asked she said mainly in human rights issues and corruption, discriminations, exploitation of people
    2. first she thought of contesting from her home consti khurai but later dropped it without any formal announcement and it was only becoz she couldn't find a place to stay there, and no one from her party replaced her there
    3. blank about her campaign strategy
    she said she would ride bicycle and stop along the way to speak people
    4. being popular activist does not mean a strong political leader
    5. when asked how candidate from her party were selected for contesting, her reply was haphazard and even she refused to even call PRJA her party. She said " i have no right to pick them. it is not my party. it is a collective party based on collective decision."
    6. People were not happy with her for ending her 16 year long fast
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  • i have fulll sympathy with irom sharmila
    i grew watching here every year resuming the fast
    it really a shame that people dint support her fully
    1. she shd hv contested frm other seat not from cm
    2. she never had that campaigning money and team to support her cause like kejri had :p
    3. people may not be happy with her ending fast but look at the larger will she had in mind that she wud cleanse the system by being part of the system not all of us do that..
    its all right its just a beginnig..go irom sharmila u hv that will power u shall make it 1 day..
    it will matter in the end...definitely..
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  • Burger said:

    Burger said:

    Because it all comes down to Paisa and power in politics. Ideology usually fails if not combined with Paisa. Sad but true in case of our beloved democracy. B)

    T, disturbed and brutally violent.
    Real iasues which are plaguing state is very high rate of unemployment and poverty, low capital formation, inadequate infrastructural facilities, geographical isolation, communication bottlenecks and practically no industrialisation. All this forces, eductaed unemployed youth towards militant groups which is destroying future of them. Also, Manipur is very strategicay located state in NE. Diluting afspa will render it to anarchy and aggression threatening integrity of the country. Lets accept with a pinch of salt that her own tribal people have rejected her ruthlessly.
    Real issues are:

    1. Economic Blockade since November 1. A cylinder costs Rs 2300. A liter of petrol costs Rs 230. Does India know this fact?
    2. Territorial integrity vis-a-vis Naga issue/Framework Agreement with NSCN IM. (This needs another thread for debate).

    The question should have been why Okram Ibobi won the election and not why Irom Sharmila lost. Thoubal, Manipur CM's constituency, used to be a nondescript dusty district hq town of about 20,000 people or less. Years of conflict, militarization and gross human rights violation denied this place her fair share of modern growth and development. Except modern Imphal, other areas of Manipur are extremely remote and rural.

    It was only after the arrival of Okram Ibobi in the power echelons that things started to change. He developed road network, irrigation facilities, banking services, govt institutions and very importantly prepaid power supply 24x7 at Thoubal, after doing much more for Imphal capital region.

    Irom Sharmila's cause is genuine and not only people of Manipur, but entire North East and Kashmir stands for her. She is an icon in conflict region. But when put in a situation like this election, will she get the numbers to get voted to power? No. The immediate needs are security on a daily basis and not a perpetual fight for removal of AFSPA. She is a crusader. She will always remain so. Her timing was wrong. Let's not discredit the works of Okram Ibobi and how he had managed to remove AFSPA from the urban precincts of Imphal. Voters did not lose sight of this fact.


    All being said, I still wonder why people are quick to make a point on AFSPA. It's a draconian act and must not have place in modern India. Indian state cant give unhindered permission to its men in uniform to kill at will. Ask any person from the conflict areas of NE (except few pockets of AP, whole of NE is a conflict zone) and they would invariably tell tales of loss and despair.

    A young lady is pulled out of her house in a cold December night in Imphal. Icy cold water is poured on her breast in front of her mother and brothers. Whisked away in an army van, her lifeless body is found near a hillock. Bullets were pumped in her vagina after brutal gangrape so that any 'evidence' left could be erased. And army said, it was encounter death. Really? Encounter at vagina? Remember the famous nude protests by Manipuri mothers in front of Kangla Gate? This was the genesis.

    The sense of alienation is just too great in NE/Manipur. Why would one feel connected with India when almost every family has been victim to trigger happy Indian army? It's very easy to show support for AFSPA from a secured environment of mainland India. Be in a conflict zone, see your loved one dying in a pool of blood and then speak about AFSPA. You dont integrate your 'family' by killing members.

    On a lighter vein, let's talk about Western (North West) and Eastern (North East) India vis a vis patriotism.

    Let's count the number of times foreigners attacked India from both the fronts. It's n number of times in Western sector. Invaders came, attacked and plundered India as many times as they willed. How many times were the people in Western front successful to kick back the invaders?


    In East, it was only during 1962 that China dared to intrude into Indian territory. The common story is about how the bravado of Indian Army were largely responsible for the retreat of PLA/Chinese Army. All lies. Au contraire, Indian Army ran away from the battle field and a spineless PM made that hollow comment, 'NEFA(AP) is far from Delhi but not from my heart'. Hahaha. The reality, however, is the non-cooperation of local tribes against Chinese army. Chinese thought that people in AP/NE looked like them and so, they would easily welcome PLA but it was just the opposite. Supply lines to the Chinese military camps were snapped by the locals. Trenches were dug on the narrow mountain tracks to hinder their forward march down to Brahmaputra valley. Another reason was that the mountain passes in Arunchal Pradesh gets blocked by late October due to heavy snowfall. Chinese Army had to retreat.

    Now, people should decide who are anti-Indians. However, if AFSPA is imposed in NE/Kashmir for a long time, it would trigger a chain of political events that can endanger the idea of united India. Just because someone from your family is not dying, dont be insensitive to those people in conflict zones who see deaths of their loved ones everyday.
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  • its a plain rude world,
    in the last 16 years she must have met atleast 100 people who would have suffered due to afspa,
    even they did not vote for her...
    people explaining here are giving the reason why she could have lost, everyone knows she couldnt have won without money...
    but when she only received 90 odd votes, the reason is people simply shut their heart on her...
    too bad for someone who sacrificed her youth for a cause , people were ungrateful....
    goodbye forumIAS
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  • edited March 12
    Wakaao said:

    Burger said:

    Burger said:

    Because it all comes down to Paisa and power in politics. Ideology usually fails if not combined with Paisa. Sad but true in case of our beloved democracy. B)

    T, disturbed and brutally violent.
    Real iasues which are plaguing state is very high rate of unemployment and poverty, low capital formation, inadequate infrastructural facilities, geographical isolation, communication bottlenecks and practically no industrialisation. All this forces, eductaed unemployed youth towards militant groups which is destroying future of them. Also, Manipur is very strategicay located state in NE. Diluting afspa will render it to anarchy and aggression threatening integrity of the country. Lets accept with a pinch of salt that her own tribal people have rejected her ruthlessly.
    Real issues are:

    1. Economic Blockade since November 1. A cylinder costs Rs 2300. A liter of petrol costs Rs 230. Does India know this fact?
    2. Territorial integrity vis-a-vis Naga issue/Framework Agreement with NSCN IM. (This needs another thread for debate).

    The question should have been why Okram Ibobi won the election and not why Irom Sharmila lost. Thoubal, Manipur CM's constituency, used to be a nondescript dusty district hq town of about 20,000 people or less. Years of conflict, militarization and gross human rights violation denied this place her fair share of modern growth and development. Except modern Imphal, other areas of Manipur are extremely remote and rural.

    It was only after the arrival of Okram Ibobi in the power echelons that things started to change. He developed road network, irrigation facilities, banking services, govt institutions and very importantly prepaid power supply 24x7 at Thoubal, after doing much more for Imphal capital region.

    Irom Sharmila's cause is genuine and not only people of Manipur, but entire North East and Kashmir stands for her. She is an icon in conflict region. But when put in a situation like this election, will she get the numbers to get voted to power? No. The immediate needs are security on a daily basis and not a perpetual fight for removal of AFSPA. She is a crusader. She will always remain so. Her timing was wrong. Let's not discredit the works of Okram Ibobi and how he had managed to remove AFSPA from the urban precincts of Imphal. Voters did not lose sight of this fact.


    All being said, I still wonder why people are quick to make a point on AFSPA. It's a draconian act and must not have place in modern India. Indian state cant give unhindered permission to its men in uniform to kill at will. Ask any person from the conflict areas of NE (except few pockets of AP, whole of NE is a conflict zone) and they would invariably tell tales of loss and despair.

    A young lady is pulled out of her house in a cold December night in Imphal. Icy cold water is poured on her breast in front of her mother and brothers. Whisked away in an army van, her lifeless body is found near a hillock. Bullets were pumped in her vagina after brutal gangrape so that any 'evidence' left could be erased. And army said, it was encounter death. Really? Encounter at vagina? Remember the famous nude protests by Manipuri mothers in front of Kangla Gate? This was the genesis.

    The sense of alienation is just too great in NE/Manipur. Why would one feel connected with India when almost every family has been victim to trigger happy Indian army? It's very easy to show support for AFSPA from a secured environment of mainland India. Be in a conflict zone, see your loved one dying in a pool of blood and then speak about AFSPA. You dont integrate your 'family' by killing members.

    On a lighter vein, let's talk about Western (North West) and Eastern (North East) India vis a vis patriotism.

    Let's count the number of times foreigners attacked India from both the fronts. It's n number of times in Western sector. Invaders came, attacked and plundered India as many times as they willed. How many times were the people in Western front successful to kick back the invaders?


    In East, it was only during 1962 that China dared to intrude into Indian territory. The common story is about how the bravado of Indian Army were largely responsible for the retreat of PLA/Chinese Army. All lies. Au contraire, Indian Army ran away from the battle field and a spineless PM made that hollow comment, 'NEFA(AP) is far from Delhi but not from my heart'. Hahaha. The reality, however, is the non-cooperation of local tribes against Chinese army. Chinese thought that people in AP/NE looked like them and so, they would easily welcome PLA but it was just the opposite. Supply lines to the Chinese military camps were snapped by the locals. Trenches were dug on the narrow mountain tracks to hinder their forward march down to Brahmaputra valley. Another reason was that the mountain passes in Arunchal Pradesh gets blocked by late October due to heavy snowfall. Chinese Army had to retreat.

    Now, people should decide who are anti-Indians. However, if AFSPA is imposed in NE/Kashmir for a long time, it would trigger a chain of political events that can endanger the idea of united India. Just because someone from your family is not dying, dont be insensitive to those people in conflict zones who see deaths of their loved ones everyday.
    Thanks for sharing the wonderful info about indo china war.

    The ne is often being neglected by the mainstream parties and media. I found the people(northern states)mostly uninformed about the culture and traditions of the place(including myself),they try to view things from the narrow media coverage and from the perceptive lens that everyone carries also hinders the acceptability of the true facts.


    The economic blockage that you mentioned is very trye but was not covered by media at all. Afspa is an emotional issue for people left parties attack the whole ideology, while right wing tries to counter it by portraying it as against the national interest. It would be very difficult for an outsider to pass a comment without having sufficient knowledge.
    Character has to be established through a thousand stumbles...
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  • Wakaao said:

    Burger said:

    Burger said:

    Because it all comes down to Paisa and power in politics. Ideology usually fails if not combined with Paisa. Sad but true in case of our beloved democracy. B)

    T, disturbed and brutally violent.
    Real iasues which are plaguing state is very high rate of unemployment and poverty, low capital formation, inadequate infrastructural facilities, geographical isolation, communication bottlenecks and practically no industrialisation. All this forces, eductaed unemployed youth towards militant groups which is destroying future of them. Also, Manipur is very strategicay located state in NE. Diluting afspa will render it to anarchy and aggression threatening integrity of the country. Lets accept with a pinch of salt that her own tribal people have rejected her ruthlessly.
    Real issues are:

    1. Economic Blockade since November 1. A cylinder costs Rs 2300. A liter of petrol costs Rs 230. Does India know this fact?
    2. Territorial integrity vis-a-vis Naga issue/Framework Agreement with NSCN IM. (This needs another thread for debate).

    The question should have been why Okram Ibobi won the election and not why Irom Sharmila lost. Thoubal, Manipur CM's constituency, used to be a nondescript dusty district hq town of about 20,000 people or less. Years of conflict, militarization and gross human rights violation denied this place her fair share of modern growth and development. Except modern Imphal, other areas of Manipur are extremely remote and rural.

    It was only after the arrival of Okram Ibobi in the power echelons that things started to change. He developed road network, irrigation facilities, banking services, govt institutions and very importantly prepaid power supply 24x7 at Thoubal, after doing much more for Imphal capital region.

    Irom Sharmila's cause is genuine and not only people of Manipur, but entire North East and Kashmir stands for her. She is an icon in conflict region. But when put in a situation like this election, will she get the numbers to get voted to power? No. The immediate needs are security on a daily basis and not a perpetual fight for removal of AFSPA. She is a crusader. She will always remain so. Her timing was wrong. Let's not discredit the works of Okram Ibobi and how he had managed to remove AFSPA from the urban precincts of Imphal. Voters did not lose sight of this fact.


    All being said, I still wonder why people are quick to make a point on AFSPA. It's a draconian act and must not have place in modern India. Indian state cant give unhindered permission to its men in uniform to kill at will. Ask any person from the conflict areas of NE (except few pockets of AP, whole of NE is a conflict zone) and they would invariably tell tales of loss and despair.

    A young lady is pulled out of her house in a cold December night in Imphal. Icy cold water is poured on her breast in front of her mother and brothers. Whisked away in an army van, her lifeless body is found near a hillock. Bullets were pumped in her vagina after brutal gangrape so that any 'evidence' left could be erased. And army said, it was encounter death. Really? Encounter at vagina? Remember the famous nude protests by Manipuri mothers in front of Kangla Gate? This was the genesis.

    The sense of alienation is just too great in NE/Manipur. Why would one feel connected with India when almost every family has been victim to trigger happy Indian army? It's very easy to show support for AFSPA from a secured environment of mainland India. Be in a conflict zone, see your loved one dying in a pool of blood and then speak about AFSPA. You dont integrate your 'family' by killing members.

    On a lighter vein, let's talk about Western (North West) and Eastern (North East) India vis a vis patriotism.

    Let's count the number of times foreigners attacked India from both the fronts. It's n number of times in Western sector. Invaders came, attacked and plundered India as many times as they willed. How many times were the people in Western front successful to kick back the invaders?


    In East, it was only during 1962 that China dared to intrude into Indian territory. The common story is about how the bravado of Indian Army were largely responsible for the retreat of PLA/Chinese Army. All lies. Au contraire, Indian Army ran away from the battle field and a spineless PM made that hollow comment, 'NEFA(AP) is far from Delhi but not from my heart'. Hahaha. The reality, however, is the non-cooperation of local tribes against Chinese army. Chinese thought that people in AP/NE looked like them and so, they would easily welcome PLA but it was just the opposite. Supply lines to the Chinese military camps were snapped by the locals. Trenches were dug on the narrow mountain tracks to hinder their forward march down to Brahmaputra valley. Another reason was that the mountain passes in Arunchal Pradesh gets blocked by late October due to heavy snowfall. Chinese Army had to retreat.

    Now, people should decide who are anti-Indians. However, if AFSPA is imposed in NE/Kashmir for a long time, it would trigger a chain of political events that can endanger the idea of united India. Just because someone from your family is not dying, dont be insensitive to those people in conflict zones who see deaths of their loved ones everyday.
    No one is calling anyone anti Indian, Khaleesi. I have read your previous comments on Bbc documentary thread when you were extending your full support to govt and forest officers for they are killing Bangladeshis, what about their families and human rights now? Do you have an idea about their families just cos someone from your family is not a Bangladeshi? A killing is a killing after all, no? Or is it just about regionalism or identity crisis?(asking only a question)
    There is no denying Afspa is draconian and huge atrocities have been commiited under it, I can narrate heard worse horror then what you wrote about that woman, that is why SC formed a judicial enquiry to investigate it last year and asked manipur govt about its removal. May be we can see its removal as in Tripura, if condition prevails.
    At least govt can bring major stakeholders together, discuss and find a way to close such blatant abuse until then.
    One burger a day, keeps fitness away.
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  • In current election, its not people of mainland India or social media keyboard hyper nationalists who have gone there, registered their names on electoral list and not voted for her. Its state of Manipur and manipuris and let them decide, have their choices to vote and support and elect their own leaders- stop cursing them for not electing Irom and wishing that they will continue to see such sufferings.
    One burger a day, keeps fitness away.
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  • Bad.Irom Sharmila deserved atleast 100 votes.
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  • Democracy is nothing but a safety valve. The system is run on the nexus of industrialists, politicians, muscle power, etc. There is a huge difference between what we read of democracy and what it actually is. It's perfect in books and its perfect to fool masses on ground. It is just another type of opium for the masses to keep them busy. I don't support other systems of governance like communism or dictatorship. However democracy in its present form is equally evil . Its like a meethi chhoori.
    Or one should say that democracy itself is great but it has fallen victim to evil forces.
    And it employes all the tactics to shut u up once u try to raise ur voice. Another problem is corruption. It is not a legal but a moral issue.
    Corruption+fake democracy + population + poverty + concentration of power and wealth+ unawareness + many other things = thullu of babaji(ramdev)
    And its gonna remain the same for a long time because we r too busy in cricket movies social media election campaigns and results etc. Too many things r keeping too many of us busy.

    As far as The case of Irom sharmila is concerned one should understand that issue based politics alone can never win you elections in India. Some temporary successes may b there. But we largely vote on caste religion tribe lines and also money power muscle power plays a huge role.
    Many young voters vote differently- on promises of jobs, facilities, economic opportunities. They are only made to hear during campaigns what they want to hear. Fake promises. Most of them still vote for the candidate their elders support. I am not aware whether irom promised them any jobs, opportunities etc or she had any support of money and muscles or she tried for any kind of tribe alliance and other alliances . Was she active on social media who managed her campaign who funded her campaign. I m sure ibobi had much more cunning , muscle, money, tactics.
    asli pehalwan ki pehchan akhaade me nahi jindaggi me hove hai
    Taki jab jindaggi tumhe utha k pattak pattak k maar giraye
    To koi aisa daav khelo ki jindaggani chit hojave.
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