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Mains 2016 "My papers went well but name not in the list. What went wrong?"

Another attempt, another failure but an unexpected one. After talking to some candidates, I realised that many hopeful candidates who were sure of an Interview call this time around, missed out. They are not able to comprehend what exactly went wrong. This thread is to discuss the possible reasons. Kindly share your experience and thoughts. Future plans.
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  • Another attempt, another failure but an unexpected one. After talking to some candidates, I realised that many hopeful candidates who were sure of an Interview call this time around, missed out. They are not able to comprehend what exactly went wrong. This thread is to discuss the possible reasons. Kindly share your experience and thoughts. Future plans.

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  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.


  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?


  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????





  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????
    are tina got 170+ in the paper in which rank-9 got 99 rank 54 99.
    now if u r tina then even with 100 marks in that paper u will get ias .
    so choose wisely :)


  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????



    So which according to you are the safe Optionals. I too changed from Pub Ad last time but could not clear with Sociology. This time many Sociology guys are complaining that the optional was ripped apart. But there are candidates who cleared. Same goes with Geography and Pub Ad. Just go through their threads. Problem is that the marksheet will be out this June. By then our choices for this year's attempt would have been made already. Really tough decision.


  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????



    Can you share the link of the DoPT marksheet?


  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????



    Check this. Geography has performed the best this year. Though not my optional. Just to answer your point. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkSBrYsM_IY6p8IbRYs2HT0zQU1JjFDQVZCD6Jw1yq3-kz9w/viewanalytics


  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????



    Can you share the link of the DoPT marksheet?
    http://persmin.gov.in/ais1/Docs/2015_Main_MarkSheet.pdf
    http://persmin.gov.in/ais1/Docs/2014_Main_MarkSheet.pdf
    http://persmin.gov.in/ais1/Docs/2013_Main_MarkSheet.pdf
    http://persmin.gov.in/ais1/Docs/2012_Main_MarkSheet.pdf
  • I think more focus should be given on essay n GS....ppl even after getting 220 in optional have got under 100.... reliability on optional i think may be devastating as no body knows which optional going to perform well
  • Uttam27 said:



    For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????



    Can you share the link of the DoPT marksheet?
    http://persmin.gov.in/ais1/Docs/2015_Main_MarkSheet.pdf
    http://persmin.gov.in/ais1/Docs/2014_Main_MarkSheet.pdf
    http://persmin.gov.in/ais1/Docs/2013_Main_MarkSheet.pdf
    http://persmin.gov.in/ais1/Docs/2012_Main_MarkSheet.pdf
    Thanks
  • Mine optional - pub ad.
    Dont know what went wrong.
    Was expecting a call for sure..
    Just cant figure out what went wrong!
    Only marksheet can bring out the weaknesses.
    But, still i dont think UPSC goes with the mentality of butchering subjects. Just simply doesnt convince me. And people say that pubad is being butchered. Why would they? Infact it's important ( maybe when optionals are removed, this subject may be added)
    Simply changing optional to anthro, psychology would be a nightmare (unless u have enough time and can spare one attempt)
    But simply i believe its more of a luck game.
    And if we are to improve our scores .. lets say from 220s (pubad, psir, geo, etc) to 250s(anthro,etc) ; whynot improve upon GS and essay. That would be more fruitful .


  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????



    So which according to you are the safe Optionals. I too changed from Pub Ad last time but could not clear with Sociology. This time many Sociology guys are complaining that the optional was ripped apart. But there are candidates who cleared. Same goes with Geography and Pub Ad. Just go through their threads. Problem is that the marksheet will be out this June. By then our choices for this year's attempt would have been made already. Really tough decision.


    Bro
    In 2015 there were 4500+ junta with geo optional in mains and only 32 made it to the list. Isn't it ruthless butchering???????
    Even if u clear mains bro u will be generally out from the merit list with geo, pub ad.

    Just google CANDIDATE INFORMATION CENTRAL civil services. It is a huge data bank n u will get all the desired data to make an informed choice.
  • Another attempt, another failure but an unexpected one. After talking to some candidates, I realised that many hopeful candidates who were sure of an Interview call this time around, missed out. They are not able to comprehend what exactly went wrong. This thread is to discuss the possible reasons. Kindly share your experience and thoughts. Future plans.

    Bro, I'm also one of the persons like you who is unable to come out of the shock. But I have slowly started to realise that the generic nature of the paper allowed everyone to think that he has done well. What is a very good answer to you and me can look ordinary to a third person. It may not even look ordinary. As I told in one of my previous posts in the other Mains 2016 results thread, even a 0.5 marks reduction per question can actually results in a cumulative loss of 60 to 70 marks. And essay is a bomb. Even 5 marks reduction per essay can increase the overall loss to 70-80 marks which can be a difference between IAS and "mains failure". It's fully fraught with uncertainties. At least in prelims, the uncertainty ends at the question paper level.

    At least this is how I have convinced myself to move on. Let's see what life holds.


  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????



    Check this. Geography has performed the best this year. Though not my optional. Just to answer your point. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkSBrYsM_IY6p8IbRYs2HT0zQU1JjFDQVZCD6Jw1yq3-kz9w/viewanalytics

    Wait till the final merit list bro.
    Just apply some thought.
    Although many junta clear mains with geo but they dnt hv enough marks advantage to make it to the final list. Even those who qualify r mainly due to interview marks.
    Sobu decide what is ur goal, to qualify mains or to b in the final list. Choice is yours bro.

    Bro I dnt want much deliberation on this matter as I hv already done it very rigorously. Would request u to first go through the dopt data bro.

  • timepas said:



    For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????
    are tina got 170+ in the paper in which rank-9 got 99 rank 54 99.
    now if u r tina then even with 100 marks in that paper u will get ias .
    so choose wisely :)
    @timepas you are a defender of Pol science .. :D


  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    Almost all optionals have similar story. Which one are you planning to shift to?

    Bro
    See the detailed marksheet from DoPT.

    Not optional have same situation.

    Most of junta in geo in 2015 got around total 180 marks but Tina had 170+ marks in just one optional paper and total around 300 marks. In such situation can geo, pub ad junta even think of competing ???????



    Check this. Geography has performed the best this year. Though not my optional. Just to answer your point. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkSBrYsM_IY6p8IbRYs2HT0zQU1JjFDQVZCD6Jw1yq3-kz9w/viewanalytics

    Wait till the final merit list bro.
    Just apply some thought.
    Although many junta clear mains with geo but they dnt hv enough marks advantage to make it to the final list. Even those who qualify r mainly due to interview marks.
    Sobu decide what is ur goal, to qualify mains or to b in the final list. Choice is yours bro.

    Bro I dnt want much deliberation on this matter as I hv already done it very rigorously. Would request u to first go through the dopt data bro.

    completely agree with u . geo has been butchered badly. in 2015 , in top 100 there were only 2 geo candidates, ideally it should have been atleast 25, keeping in mind that 30% of candidates take mains as geo optionl.
    i am done with geo. its better to move on.
  • An Ounce of Action Is Worth a Ton of Theory
  • 3rd mains with philosophy...out. Can't understand what went wrong this time....gs too I get around 270 each year. In essay consistently 115+ each year. Optional never crossed 180 for me.
  • Tudor said:

    Mine optional - pub ad.
    Dont know what went wrong.
    Was expecting a call for sure..
    Just cant figure out what went wrong!
    Only marksheet can bring out the weaknesses.
    But, still i dont think UPSC goes with the mentality of butchering subjects. Just simply doesnt convince me. And people say that pubad is being butchered. Why would they? Infact it's important ( maybe when optionals are removed, this subject may be added)
    Simply changing optional to anthro, psychology would be a nightmare (unless u have enough time and can spare one attempt)
    But simply i believe its more of a luck game.
    And if we are to improve our scores .. lets say from 220s (pubad, psir, geo, etc) to 250s(anthro,etc) ; whynot improve upon GS and essay. That would be more fruitful .

    Depends on the number of attempts. 1st attempters generally cannot figure out their weaknesses. Everything happens in a rushed sort of state.
    But by the 3rd attempt people generally get an overall idea about how they performed.
    Some things can only be learned through experience.
    UPSC does butcher subjects. You have to just experience it. Maybe to maintain a good diversity of selections year upin year, i dunno.
    Optionals that have more candidates like Geo will have a tougher competition than say Maithili.
    Just apply your brains.
    The exam is relative.
    So optionals can have different performances depending upon how the top 2-3% performed.
    Just take your time off and think about what might have happened. The report card will clarify everything anyways.

    # Still a specualtion
    # Luck matters.
    Just for the sake of maintaining diversity, they can chuck out deserving candidates?
    Say pbi literature has 50 candidates
    Pub ad has 5000.
    Equating the ratio (of selection), say 10% from each, seems credible - 5 and 500 resp.
    Yes as u say, luck matters.
    All we can do is toil
  • Better to prepare 'the best' ,i know everybody here..knows the best ,have done the best!! but but ,we need to outplay the cream ..no matter what we have to do!!

    and here outplay means 'Get this shit done with whatever u people have-geo.pubad,soci,philo,psyc etc..whatever!!

    when a child is learning how to walk and falls down 50 times,they never think to themselves ,"May be this isn't for me "

    baaki sab smjhdar h mujh se zada!!

  • edited February 24
    My 2 cents....

    I think its wise to change the optional only if you are not strong or u hate the core demand of the subject...

    Like...diagrams for geography and economics... maps for geo...remembering figures for economics... memorising quotations for literature etc.... because unless u score excellent in gs essay or belong to reserved category...its really difficult to clear the exam without being strong in optional...

    Else... shufting doesn't nake sense


  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    similar in pub ad case.question was easy this time but only few have been selected and that may be because of GS essay score.why UPSC is not equal in this
  • Optionals are like double edged swords. If papers are easy then one cannot answer or understand the questions. And if easy then quality of answers is what matters the most. Relative checking is the name of the game. Too many variables. Anybody's game.
  • Tina got first rank due to 300 marks in her optional but had she got only 200 marks in her optional , still she would have got a good rank with 963 final marks (her actual marks - 1063).
    So stop giving this example. She has got handsome marks in most papers like 145 in essay, 119 in GS-1, 110 in GS 4 paper.
    so final conclusion is she would have cleared this exam even with optional like geo, pub ad or socio where avg marks are less.
    Note- My optional is pub ad.
  • BlackBox said:

    Tina got first rank due to 300 marks in her optional but had she got only 200 marks in her optional , still she would have got a good rank with 963 final marks (her actual marks - 1063).
    So stop giving this example. She has got handsome marks in most papers like 145 in essay, 119 in GS-1, 110 in GS 4 paper.
    so final conclusion is she would have cleared this exam even with optional like geo, pub ad or socio where avg marks are less.
    Note- My optional is pub ad.

    Her writing skills were pretty good. Seen her mock copies.
  • BlackBox said:

    Tina got first rank due to 300 marks in her optional but had she got only 200 marks in her optional , still she would have got a good rank with 963 final marks (her actual marks - 1063).
    So stop giving this example. She has got handsome marks in most papers like 145 in essay, 119 in GS-1, 110 in GS 4 paper.
    so final conclusion is she would have cleared this exam even with optional like geo, pub ad or socio where avg marks are less.
    Note- My optional is pub ad.

    avg marks of pol sci was least last yr.
    only 20 students score 220+ in selected one.
    in the strength of 1500+ odd students even top 1% r scoring 220 only.
    log bc bolte hain idhar 220 hi aa pata hai abe ab kya jan loge.
    we clear exam with ard 400 in gs and 130+ in essay.
  • Pub ad guys in Top 100 in 2015 list.
    Rank 6, 21, 34, 36, 52, 73, 75, 81, 85, 87 & 90. That is total 11 candidates in Top 100 with Pub ad as optional in 2015.

    Pol Sc guys in Top 100 in 2015 list-
    Rank 1, 9, 33, 48, 54 and 98. That is total 6 candidates with Pol Sc.

    Geography guys in Top 100 in 2015 list-
    Rank 53, 71, 72, 82.
  • BlackBox said:

    Tina got first rank due to 300 marks in her optional but had she got only 200 marks in her optional , still she would have got a good rank with 963 final marks (her actual marks - 1063).
    So stop giving this example. She has got handsome marks in most papers like 145 in essay, 119 in GS-1, 110 in GS 4 paper.
    so final conclusion is she would have cleared this exam even with optional like geo, pub ad or socio where avg marks are less.
    Note- My optional is pub ad.


    I didn't questioned Tina's abilities. I gave her example to drive home the fact that how critical optionals marks are. Take it in that spirit and dnt misinterprete it.

    In 2014, many in Geo got 300+ including Ira Singhal, but why highest geo marks in 2015 was just around 250 ?????



  • For me also this was the most unexpected thing.

    Time to restratagise drastically.

    I will change my optional. GEOGRAPHY has simply become a liability. Got 267 in 2014 and now with much better paper and preparation I m out.

    In top 400 ranks more than 80% succesful candidates have above 250 marks and geography has rare 220+ so already geo junta is out of race.
    Have done deep analysis and decided to quit geography.
    Also I think those expecting success this mains but couldn't do so shall take a break in 2017.

    Further suggestions are welcome.

    True. Suucess or failure in UPSC is decided by optionals. I know a guy who scored around 290 in optionals in 2015 but scored pathetic marks in all 4 GS papers, and now he is in IPS. Whoever scores big in optional, wahi banta hain collector.
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