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  • This is pure intolerance riding on popular political support.
    The angels are lost in perpetual contemplation of an infinite glory.
  • can? yes

    should? no
    तदबीर से बिगड़ी हुई तक़दीर बना ले, अपने पे भरोसा है तो एक दाँव लगा ले।
  • This is what alexis de tocquivielle precisely said " tyrrany of majority ".
  • I would like to keep ethics and morals aside, because personal opinions dont matter when you run a country. Its the laws of the land that hold the prime importance. Its the constitutional validity that matters to me.

    And, "I wonder how this is constitutionally valid" ?

    Its holds no importance under Art 48.
    It clearly violates, Art 14, 15 and Art 21.

    They could ban beef citing Art 48, but what about chicken, mutton and fish? Under which article?
    Good Bye. See you Later.
  • edited September 2016
    pizza said:

    I would like to keep ethics and morals aside, because personal opinions dont matter when you run a country. Its the laws of the land that hold the prime importance. Its the constitutional validity that matters to me.

    And, "I wonder how this is constitutionally valid" ?

    Its holds no importance under Art 48.
    It clearly violates, Art 14, 15 and Art 21.

    They could ban beef citing Art 48, but what about chicken, mutton and fish? Under which article?

    @preetkarandhaliwal bro, can you provide some legal insights? :) How can this be constitutionally valid? SC has upheld this action in its verdict various times.
    Good Bye. See you Later.
  • V know secularism in India means state shall have equal proximity n give equal importance to ol d religions.which is unlike west where church n states are two separate entity.So yes dis can be done.But dis is also breach of article 14,21 of Coi of other citizens so its liable to be called as executive tyranny n may be nullified by article 13.

    Ps-Indian idea of secularism upsc csm 2014.
  • edited September 2016

    V know secularism in India means state shall have equal proximity n give equal importance to ol d religions.which is unlike west where church n states are two separate entity.So yes dis can be done.But dis is also breach of article 14,21 of Coi of other citizens so its liable to be called as executive tyranny n may be nullified by article 13.

    Ps-Indian idea of secularism upsc csm 2014.

    equal importance to all the religions to avoid discrimination, and meddling into religious affairs to address social ills. These are the limits wherein secular and religious aspect are supposed to interact. While pandering to religions is secularism only so far as executive wishes the general people on particular occasions considered auspicious. Pandering to religions through executive fiats or legislation is uncalled for.
    तदबीर से बिगड़ी हुई तक़दीर बना ले, अपने पे भरोसा है तो एक दाँव लगा ले।
  • pizza said:

    pizza said:

    I would like to keep ethics and morals aside, because personal opinions dont matter when you run a country. Its the laws of the land that hold the prime importance. Its the constitutional validity that matters to me.

    And, "I wonder how this is constitutionally valid" ?

    Its holds no importance under Art 48.
    It clearly violates, Art 14, 15 and Art 21.

    They could ban beef citing Art 48, but what about chicken, mutton and fish? Under which article?

    @preetkarandhaliwal bro, can you provide some legal insights? :) How can this be constitutionally valid? SC has upheld this action in its verdict various times.
    explanations by theanimalia and richard parker are insightful. See this case is similar to beef ban in maha nd haryana. Preserving cows is part of directive policy nd keeping in view our diverse society, courts nd laws tend to take concilliatory positions. But now extending it to buffalos nd bulls as well i believe is nothing more than political pandering. And the political executive of maha has no idea what a disastrous law it is for a poor drought hit farmer of vidharba. Earlier his cattle were his assets, now a liability. And on top of all, i believe we indian are highly sanctimonious beings. We let our cows die by eating plastic but on the other hand we also allow executive to take measure to prevent their slaughter. Matlab humaare neglect se mare toh sahi hai, par koi slaughter nahi kar sakta bcs voh sensitive issue hai. Similarly, if out of respect people refrain from eating non veg during such times, its laudatory but i dnt think, that such executive decisions can pass judicial tests. But mind it, alcohol production is a diff category altogether, so dnt bring bihar in.

    Aur bhai main end baat yeh hai ke humaari politics logo ki ignorance par chalti hai. Ye executive order paas karke jains ko bata diya govt supports them, fir court null nd void bolega toh kahenga court ne kiya da doosri party ki conspiracy. Similar was the case of jat reservation in haryana or patel reservation. Even if its given, it can never be constitutionally upheld under prevailing legal tenets.
  • harry90 said:

    This is what alexis de tocquivielle precisely said " tyrrany of majority ".

    !! Tyranny of majority means majority imposes interest upon minority.....here it is opposite
    Cmon...i aint gonna bite you
  • V know secularism in India means state shall have equal proximity n give equal importance to ol d religions.which is unlike west where church n states are two separate entity.So yes dis can be done.But dis is also breach of article 14,21 of Coi of other citizens so its liable to be called as executive tyranny n may be nullified by article 13.

    Ps-Indian idea of secularism upsc csm 2014.

    equal importance to all the religions to avoid discrimination, and meddling into religious affairs to address social ills. These are the limits wherein secular and religious aspect are supposed to interact. While pandering to religions is secularism only so far as executive wishes the general people on particular occasions considered auspicious. Pandering to religions through executive fiats or legislation is uncalled for.
    Good n logical interpretation sir.But one of two prblm I m facing in mains amswr wrtng is generalized arguments n maintaining status quo in conclusions.For eg.what u would have wrtn on should there be party whip or not?
  • edited September 2016
    Legally - NO !!

    Politically - YESSSS !!

    Socially- YES !!

    Economically - YES and NO !!

    Religiously - YES and NO !!

    Environmentally - YES and NO !!

    Ethically - NO !!

    Morally - YES !!

    Technically - NO !!


    PS- Now I'm in full fledged Mains mood so thinking Multi-dimensionally should become my habit :) Baki sb moh maya h .. It is far easier to talk about Ethics,Law and Justice etc but GRASS-ROOT in our country is totally absolutely purely definitely VERY VERY VERY different ..But still INDIA is a BEST COUNTRY to live for INDIAN-kind peopling ;)
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  • V know secularism in India means state shall have equal proximity n give equal importance to ol d religions.which is unlike west where church n states are two separate entity.So yes dis can be done.But dis is also breach of article 14,21 of Coi of other citizens so its liable to be called as executive tyranny n may be nullified by article 13.

    Ps-Indian idea of secularism upsc csm 2014.

    equal importance to all the religions to avoid discrimination, and meddling into religious affairs to address social ills. These are the limits wherein secular and religious aspect are supposed to interact. While pandering to religions is secularism only so far as executive wishes the general people on particular occasions considered auspicious. Pandering to religions through executive fiats or legislation is uncalled for.
    Good n logical interpretation sir.But one of two prblm I m facing in mains amswr wrtng is generalized arguments n maintaining status quo in conclusions.For eg.what u would have wrtn on should there be party whip or not?
    I am not someone with the best of the practice to answer your query sir.
    तदबीर से बिगड़ी हुई तक़दीर बना ले, अपने पे भरोसा है तो एक दाँव लगा ले।
  • harry90 said:

    This is what alexis de tocquivielle precisely said " tyrrany of majority ".

    It's a jain festival, dude. Where did this majority thing come from?
  • MagushT said:

    harry90 said:

    This is what alexis de tocquivielle precisely said " tyrrany of majority ".

    It's a jain festival, dude. Where did this majority thing come from?
    You have not fully comprehended it. It is not that jains have been able to get such a decision on the basis of a huge agitation that government was forced to concede. What I meant to say was about elected governments having brute majorities taking decisions without regard to the sensitivities of some other minority group.
  • its not about forcing one'beliefs on others..its about cooperation.

    every religious community has tolerance for people of other religious communities and their religios practices and thats why there is still some religious harmony in india or in the world.

    but when things go extreme, some people lose tolerance.. this is because there is a feeling among us that during "special" religious occasions, which need great austerity on our part, cooperation by other religious communities must be there for harmony to sustain.

    for example, during navrtra,even muslims don't sell meat. during Chatth festival in Bihar Jharkhand, meat shops are closed. Similar is the Jain case in Gujrat.
  • IWRA said:

    This is pure intolerance riding on popular political support.

    This is not intolerance. It's compassion and big-heartedness.

    In our family (and many other families too) our grandfather and father ask us to observe fast on Karvachauth coz the married ladies of the house are fasting. They themselves observe fast too.
    So if a section our society is observing a stricture based on a religious belief, the least we can do is to shun a few food items for a few days. No one ever died without eating meat for 7 days. On the upside non-vegs can enjoy variety of vegetarian dishes in this period and broaden their culinary horizon.

    Please tell me why even secular music or speeches etc. are tuned down in vicinity of muslim areas during the azaan 5-times every single day of year in all nooks and corners of our country and no issue is made. But a generous act favouring an even smaller minority just for 7 days forms such a big issue ?? It is HYPOCRISY and pseudo secularism.
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  • IWRA said:

    This is pure intolerance riding on popular political support.

    This is not intolerance. It's compassion and big-heartedness.

    In our family (and many other families too) our grandfather and father ask us to observe fast on Karvachauth coz the married ladies of the house are fasting. They themselves observe fast too.
    So if a section our society is observing a stricture based on a religious belief, the least we can do is to shun a few food items for a few days. No one ever died without eating meat for 7 days. On the upside non-vegs can enjoy variety of vegetarian dishes in this period and broaden their culinary horizon.

    Please tell me why even secular music or speeches etc. are tuned down in vicinity of muslim areas during the azaan 5-times every single day of year in all nooks and corners of our country and no issue is made. But a generous act favouring an even smaller minority just for 7 days forms such a big issue ?? It is HYPOCRISY and pseudo secularism.
    You cited an example(karva chauth) in which the action was voluntary. No element of coercion.
    "secular music or speeches etc. are tuned down in vicinity of muslim areas during the azaan 5-times every single day of year in all nooks and corners of our country and no issue is made" - still voluntary
    No one pushes anything down your throat forcefully in these examples.

    P.S:If you still miss the point. Then God help you.
  • Pure political muscle flexing. And an avenue for escalation for all communities. Nothing to do with society, religion, tolerance or cultural subjugation.
    A Lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of the sheep.
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  • The action has been taken by a democratically elected Gujarat govt. within the boundaries of Constitution. Why is everyone overlooking this fact?? DEMOCRTICALLY ELECTED.

    In a social contract, citizens surrender some rights to the elected govt. in lieu of order and security. I personally don't see any point in all this supra-liberal, left-leaning criticism.

    If u have a problem with govt's decision, organize a coup, muster-up some army battalions, bring in some tanks, kill some thousand people, topple the fucking govt. and run amok. Then u can have a beef-party all-day everyday whole year. You can have 'compulsory beef party' as Article 1 in new Constitution.

    But until then stop this pointless crticism. I'm seeing it for 3rd consecutive year. It's just 7 days for heavens' sake...

  • P.S. New preamble after coup may be:

    WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN BEEF EATING REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
    BEEF fresh, organic and endosulphan free,
    CHICKEN broiler, jhatkaa and halaal and
    KITCHEN KING meat masaalaa.

    :D :D :D :D :D
  • Yaar, we all are here to prepare to for upsc. lets not just post our own opinions :|
    Please koi iss executive action ka exact legal justification or arguments de do, iss gareeb ka madad kardo bhailog, answer likhne mei kaam aaega aur bhagwan aapka bhala bhi karega.

    @burger @james_bond @strangerisbackagain @storyteller @rogerthat @focus bhai any one? please. :|
    Good Bye. See you Later.
  • louislitt said:

    IWRA said:

    This is pure intolerance riding on popular political support.

    This is not intolerance. It's compassion and big-heartedness.

    In our family (and many other families too) our grandfather and father ask us to observe fast on Karvachauth coz the married ladies of the house are fasting. They themselves observe fast too.
    So if a section our society is observing a stricture based on a religious belief, the least we can do is to shun a few food items for a few days. No one ever died without eating meat for 7 days. On the upside non-vegs can enjoy variety of vegetarian dishes in this period and broaden their culinary horizon.

    Please tell me why even secular music or speeches etc. are tuned down in vicinity of muslim areas during the azaan 5-times every single day of year in all nooks and corners of our country and no issue is made. But a generous act favouring an even smaller minority just for 7 days forms such a big issue ?? It is HYPOCRISY and pseudo secularism.
    You cited an example(karva chauth) in which the action was voluntary. No element of coercion.
    "secular music or speeches etc. are tuned down in vicinity of muslim areas during the azaan 5-times every single day of year in all nooks and corners of our country and no issue is made" - still voluntary
    No one pushes anything down your throat forcefully in these examples.

    P.S:If you still miss the point. Then God help you.
    Tune comment padha poora ya bina padhe kuch hi bak diya.

    Apni baaraat tu Musalmaano ke ilaake me se leke jaana fir tujhe pataa chalegaa voluntary hai ya forced.

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  • IWRA said:

    This is pure intolerance riding on popular political support.

    This is not intolerance. It's compassion and big-heartedness.

    In our family (and many other families too) our grandfather and father ask us to observe fast on Karvachauth coz the married ladies of the house are fasting. They themselves observe fast too.
    So if a section our society is observing a stricture based on a religious belief, the least we can do is to shun a few food items for a few days. No one ever died without eating meat for 7 days. On the upside non-vegs can enjoy variety of vegetarian dishes in this period and broaden their culinary horizon.

    Please tell me why even secular music or speeches etc. are tuned down in vicinity of muslim areas during the azaan 5-times every single day of year in all nooks and corners of our country and no issue is made. But a generous act favouring an even smaller minority just for 7 days forms such a big issue ?? It is HYPOCRISY and pseudo secularism.
    This is pure intolerance riding on popular political support.
    The angels are lost in perpetual contemplation of an infinite glory.
  • "The renaming of the Ganga Action Plan as Namami Gange, launched in 1985 by the then Prime Minister, does not reflect a new or more acute understanding of the problem.” Critically examine. (200 Words)

    @mayurasharman
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  • louislitt said:

    IWRA said:

    This is pure intolerance riding on popular political support.

    This is not intolerance. It's compassion and big-heartedness.

    In our family (and many other families too) our grandfather and father ask us to observe fast on Karvachauth coz the married ladies of the house are fasting. They themselves observe fast too.
    So if a section our society is observing a stricture based on a religious belief, the least we can do is to shun a few food items for a few days. No one ever died without eating meat for 7 days. On the upside non-vegs can enjoy variety of vegetarian dishes in this period and broaden their culinary horizon.

    Please tell me why even secular music or speeches etc. are tuned down in vicinity of muslim areas during the azaan 5-times every single day of year in all nooks and corners of our country and no issue is made. But a generous act favouring an even smaller minority just for 7 days forms such a big issue ?? It is HYPOCRISY and pseudo secularism.
    You cited an example(karva chauth) in which the action was voluntary. No element of coercion.
    "secular music or speeches etc. are tuned down in vicinity of muslim areas during the azaan 5-times every single day of year in all nooks and corners of our country and no issue is made" - still voluntary
    No one pushes anything down your throat forcefully in these examples.

    P.S:If you still miss the point. Then God help you.
    Tune comment padha poora ya bina padhe kuch hi bak diya.

    Apni baaraat tu Musalmaano ke ilaake me se leke jaana fir tujhe pataa chalegaa voluntary hai ya forced.

    Chupchaap taiyaari kar le IAS ki. Jyaada problem hai to Bhaarat ki citizenship chhod ke kahin aur ki le le.
    Bhai, please be civil when discussing something with someone.
    Why unnecessarily resort to crude rhetoric and dilute your point?

    And this is for everyone here:
    Please try not to be condescending in your comments. It's a humble request. :)
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  • IWRA said:

    IWRA said:

    This is pure intolerance riding on popular political support.

    This is not intolerance. It's compassion and big-heartedness.

    In our family (and many other families too) our grandfather and father ask us to observe fast on Karvachauth coz the married ladies of the house are fasting. They themselves observe fast too.
    So if a section our society is observing a stricture based on a religious belief, the least we can do is to shun a few food items for a few days. No one ever died without eating meat for 7 days. On the upside non-vegs can enjoy variety of vegetarian dishes in this period and broaden their culinary horizon.

    Please tell me why even secular music or speeches etc. are tuned down in vicinity of muslim areas during the azaan 5-times every single day of year in all nooks and corners of our country and no issue is made. But a generous act favouring an even smaller minority just for 7 days forms such a big issue ?? It is HYPOCRISY and pseudo secularism.
    This is pure intolerance riding on popular political support.
    Bade bhai, aapko doctor ne manaa kiya hai kya popular political support gather karne ko??

    Strong leader bano, apne followers gather karo, apne ideas propagate karo aur political power le lo. Fir chahe aap Ganga Action Plan kehna ya Marx Action Plan ya Islam Action Plan, aapko koi manaa nahi karega...

    My point is please respect mandate of the public. Either you say public - you and me - are all retarded people with IQ below 70. If not, then please respect the democratically elected govt.

    We are going to be civil servants and we have to work under the political masters. So please.
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  • I don't really buy this "democratically elected" argument; even Hitler was democratically elected.
    Popular support is no excuse for taking arbitrary decisions that may affect a certain section of the population.

    But as far as this decision is concerned, it is not only welcome, it needs to be supported for two reasons:

    1. Shows the tolerance of our country for the religious beliefs of minorities. This is true secularism.
    2. Promotes healthy eating and vegetarianism at an institutional level. The West is only now waking up to the advantages of vegetarianism over meat.

    Nobody has been forbidden to eat meat; it is only the abattoirs that have been closed for the duration of the festival.
    One could argue that it is a slippery slope, and this paves the way for more stringent bans, but to argue against something that has not happened yet is futile.

    As far as constitutional validity is concerned, this decision will not stand constitutional scrutiny. But this only goes to show that there are kinks in our law of the land that need to be ironed out with cooperation.

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  • pks11630 said:

    P.S. New preamble after coup may be:

    WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN BEEF EATING REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
    BEEF fresh, organic and endosulphan free,
    CHICKEN broiler, jhatkaa and halaal and
    KITCHEN KING meat masaalaa.

    :D :D :D :D :D


    ROFL... :D :D :D
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  • Read this judgment:

    Hinsa Virodhak Sangh vs Mirzapur Moti Kuresh Jamat & Ors, 2008

    https://indiankanoon.org/doc/560071/


    "As already stated above, it is a short restriction for a few days and surely the non-vegetarians can remain vegetarian for this short period. Also, the traders in meat of Ahmedabad will not suffer much merely because their business has been closed down for 9 days in a year. There is no prohibition to their business for the remaining 356 days in a year. In a multi cultural country like ours with such diversity, one should not be over sensitive and over touchy about a short restriction when it is being done out of respect for the sentiments of a particular section of society. "

    Judgement authored by none other than Justice Katju, a self-confessed beef eater.

    It sounds funny these days. Left Wing, Right Wing, Centre Wing, Upper Wing, Lower Wing, Inner Wing, Outer Wing, Feminist Wing, Meninist Wing, Childist Wing, everyone is intolerant.
    Strangest is the case of so called liberals. Slight difference from their opinion, "Hey You are a Sanghi" :neutral:
    जो उखाड़ना है उखाड़ लो.
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