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OBC - Criterion For Determining Creamy Layer

Hello All,

After this news by TheHindu today: http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/they-cleared-upsc-but-face-disqualification/article8769809.ece

There has been lots of discussion on this topic on whatsapp/FB and here on ForumIAS. I have received 3 messages inquiring about OBC creamy layer criteria.

So, as a general information for all, request you to all to kindly go through these official criterias released by DoP&T

1. Released in 1993: http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36012_22_93-Estt.SCT-08091993.pdf
2. Released in 2004: http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36033_5_2004-Estt.SCT-14102004.pdf
3. Increase in income limit to 6 lacs p.a. : http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36033_1_2013-Estt-Res.pdf

Good Luck !
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  • Hello All,

    After this news by TheHindu today: http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/they-cleared-upsc-but-face-disqualification/article8769809.ece

    There has been lots of discussion on this topic on whatsapp/FB and here on ForumIAS. I have received 3 messages inquiring about OBC creamy layer criteria.

    So, as a general information for all, request you to all to kindly go through these official criterias released by DoP&T

    1. Released in 1993: http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36012_22_93-Estt.SCT-08091993.pdf
    2. Released in 2004: http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36033_5_2004-Estt.SCT-14102004.pdf
    3. Increase in income limit to 6 lacs p.a. : http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36033_1_2013-Estt-Res.pdf

    Good Luck !

    But dg

    Hello All,

    After this news by TheHindu today: http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/they-cleared-upsc-but-face-disqualification/article8769809.ece

    There has been lots of discussion on this topic on whatsapp/FB and here on ForumIAS. I have received 3 messages inquiring about OBC creamy layer criteria.

    So, as a general information for all, request you to all to kindly go through these official criterias released by DoP&T

    1. Released in 1993: http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36012_22_93-Estt.SCT-08091993.pdf
    2. Released in 2004: http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36033_5_2004-Estt.SCT-14102004.pdf
    3. Increase in income limit to 6 lacs p.a. : http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36033_1_2013-Estt-Res.pdf

    Good Luck !

    but dis wud nt b case ...if he/she is son/daughter of central or state govt.employee having income more than 6 lac p.a....correct me if m wrong...
  • Nowhere in the notifications is it mentioned that grade-b/c'd employees' wards will be exempted from maximum income criteria. In other words, irrespective of grades, anyone whose parents earn more than Rs 6 Lakh/average in 3 years are ineligible for selection in OBC NCL category. End of the debate!!!
  • edited June 2016
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  • The income is excluded of DA.. only basic will be counted.. so it won't cross 6 lakh unless ur basic is 6 lakh
  • The draft OBC Act can be found in the website of National Commission of Minority, which clearly mentions that the income criteria does apply to central govt/PSU/Bank employees.
    I faced the same problem while I was taking admission in DU. I had to attach the relevant portion of the act and my admission was approved.
  • Nowhere in the notifications is it mentioned that grade-b/c'd employees' wards will be exempted from maximum income criteria. In other words, irrespective of grades, anyone whose parents earn more than Rs 6 Lakh/average in 3 years are ineligible for selection in OBC NCL category. End of the debate!!!

    Bro , i think u missd dat clause....for cls 3 employee...income(other than salary and agriculture) wil be taken into account..
  • papalegba said:

    The income is excluded of DA.. only basic will be counted.. so it won't cross 6 lakh unless ur basic is 6 lakh

    gross salary does include DA as far as i know
  • 6 lakh in 3years ye kaunsa naya paintara hey...
  • 6 lakh in 3years ye kaunsa naya paintara hey...

    6 Lakh average in 3 years i.e. total income in three years should not exceed 18 lakhs.
  • Nowhere in the notifications is it mentioned that grade-b/c'd employees' wards will be exempted from maximum income criteria. In other words, irrespective of grades, anyone whose parents earn more than Rs 6 Lakh/average in 3 years are ineligible for selection in OBC NCL category. End of the debate!!!

    Don't spread mis information in forum . if you're not 100% sure about things like this. Its always better to keep quite. :)

    History Optional
    "Let the fear find you again "
  • For government servants their salary is not considered and only grade and income from other sources in considered for NCL

    And for people working in private sector if salary is more than 6lakhs in previous 3 years then they come under Creamy layer
    For eg : year 1 6lakhs
    Year 2 6.2lakhs.
    Year 3 6.2lakhs
    Its not average of 3 years like somebody mentioned.
    History Optional
    "Let the fear find you again "
  • Mr_Wayne said:

    Nowhere in the notifications is it mentioned that grade-b/c'd employees' wards will be exempted from maximum income criteria. In other words, irrespective of grades, anyone whose parents earn more than Rs 6 Lakh/average in 3 years are ineligible for selection in OBC NCL category. End of the debate!!!

    Don't spread mis information in forum . if you're not 100% sure about things like this. Its always better to keep quite. :)

    Also der is criteria for income applicable only if it crosses 6 lac p.a for last 3 consecutive years years...der is no provision of avg income for auto-exclusion...
  • what nonsense is this...the income of govt employees who joined below class-1 rank and the agricultural income of farmers will be counted as "zero income" and the income limits don't apply to them....this has been the standard rule by various judgements, exec orders and clarification provided by Mandal commision and Backward classes commission..is this also a measure of these Saffron terrorists????!!!!...god save this country and poor souls like me...already the OBC general gap in cutoff is narrowing....whoever taking this measure will land in hell.... >:) >:) :angry:
    Cmon...i aint gonna bite you
  • Nowhere in the notifications is it mentioned that grade-b/c'd employees' wards will be exempted from maximum income criteria. In other words, irrespective of grades, anyone whose parents earn more than Rs 6 Lakh/average in 3 years are ineligible for selection in OBC NCL category. End of the debate!!!

    dont spread the wrong info. children of parents who are not into grade 3/4 posts are considered creamy. the whole debate about 'The Hindu' article is that they are not able to match PSU employees with Govt services employees rank. So they took the income test instead of group 3/4..
    Don't ever let someone tell you that you cant do something
  • my father joined as a clerk in bank. but later got promoted as officer. but earlier i was under non creamy layer as my father joined as Group C employee. But as per today Hindu's report i will not get reservation because no bank employee above 50 yrs age has less than 6 lac salary. But state n central govt employee are eligible.
  • Income of a clerk of PSU also exceeds 6 lakhs ..
  • 6 lakh in 3years ye kaunsa naya paintara hey...

    6 Lakh average in 3 years i.e. total income in three years should not exceed 18 lakhs.
    Stop spreading misinformation it's not average of three years for example years -5 lakh,9lakhs ,7lakhs even then you will get non creamy reservation since you have not exceed 6laks for 3 consecutive years
  • There is nothing new. it was already there in 1993 O.M. see schedule II (C). Only income limit has been raised from 1-2.5-4.5-6 lakhs.


  • 6 lakh in 3years ye kaunsa naya paintara hey...

    6 Lakh average in 3 years i.e. total income in three years should not exceed 18 lakhs.
    Stop spreading misinformation it's not average of three years for example years -5 lakh,9lakhs ,7lakhs even then you will get non creamy reservation since you have not exceed 6laks for 3 consecutive years
    Let's wait for a few more days for DOPT to come out with rejected candidates list along with the reason. Everything will be clear. A/C The Hindu, only 35 of the 120 OBC candidates are wards of PSU employees, rest (120-35=85) were either hiding real income of their parents or were divulging only one parent's income (and hiding another's by showing as housewife, etc). The entire scene will be clear in few days... Satyameva Jayate!!!
  • source: http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36033_5_2004-Estt.SCT-14102004.pdf

    point no. 10 states that:
    10. In regard to clause (x) of para 4, it is clarified that while applying the Income/Wealth Test to
    determine creamy layer status of any candidate as given in Category-VI of the Schedule to the
    OM, income from the salaries and income from the agricultural land shall not be taken into
    account. It means that if income from salaries of the parents of any candidate is more than Rs.2.5
    lakh per annum, income from agricultural land is more than Rs 2.5 lakh per annum, but income
    from other sources is less than Rs 2.5 lakh per annum, the candidate shall not be treated to be
    falling in creamy layer on the basis of Income/Wealth Test provided his parent(s) do not possess
    wealth above the exemption limit as prescribed in the Wealth Tax Act for a period of three
    consecutive years.

    kindly help me understand this.
    Geography
  • rakesh11 said:

    There is nothing new. it was already there in 1993 O.M. see schedule II (C). Only income limit has been raised from 1-2.5-4.5-6 lakhs.

    U missed the whole point... from this year, till PSUs come out with clarity on grades of employees, income criteria will be observed. Hence, at least for this year, PSU wards not getting selected.. what Modi can do is order PSUs to define grades before the next UPSC CSE Exam for the same to be not repeated next year.
  • Government is just 1 step away from taking the benefit to really needy one.
    Just apply rigorously the wealth limit (30 lakh hardly used till now) all urabn property holder will disqualify automatically.
    All the demand of caste based reservation will die as those demanding are not the needy one but more vocal one.
  • Only 35 of the 120 rejected are sons/daughters of PSU employees. Why were the rest of the 85 candidates selection rejected? That's becoz Modi finally cracks the whip on forged, fake OBC NCL certificates. In many states, OBC NCL can be purchased for mere Rs 3,000-5,000. Because of such malpractices, OBC-genreal cut-off in prelims narrowed down to just 1 mark since 2014. Such wrongdoers must be given examplary punishment...


  • 6 lakh in 3years ye kaunsa naya paintara hey...

    6 Lakh average in 3 years i.e. total income in three years should not exceed 18 lakhs.
    Stop spreading misinformation it's not average of three years for example years -5 lakh,9lakhs ,7lakhs even then you will get non creamy reservation since you have not exceed 6laks for 3 consecutive years
    Let's wait for a few more days for DOPT to come out with rejected candidates list along with the reason. Everything will be clear. A/C The Hindu, only 35 of the 120 OBC candidates are wards of PSU employees, rest (120-35=85) were either hiding real income of their parents or were divulging only one parent's income (and hiding another's by showing as housewife, etc). The entire scene will be clear in few days... Satyameva Jayate!!!
    See that is a different issuse all together if someone is not disclosing income of both parents they will be surely disqualified my objection was to misinformation about the average criteria you mentioned which is factually incorrect so I just made it clear how income test works and requested you refrain from spreading misinformation .
  • my father joined as a clerk in bank. but later got promoted as officer. but earlier i was under non creamy layer as my father joined as Group C employee. But as per today Hindu's report i will not get reservation because no bank employee above 50 yrs age has less than 6 lac salary. But state n central govt employee are eligible.

    Exactly the same issue here. Reading the OM (regarding the CL and NCL) is also confusing. Note 5 and note 6 of that OM are contradictory.
  • Only 35 of the 120 rejected are sons/daughters of PSU employees. Why were the rest of the 85 candidates selection rejected? That's becoz Modi finally cracks the whip on forged, fake OBC NCL certificates. In many states, OBC NCL can be purchased for mere Rs 3,000-5,000. Because of such malpractices, OBC-genreal cut-off in prelims narrowed down to just 1 mark since 2014. Such wrongdoers must be given examplary punishment...

    This is wrong info.
    The closing of general obc cut-off has to do with SC judgement which states that in prelims there should be no reservation only sufficient pool should be maintained.
    So from 2014 upsc is taking in prelims 27% obc including those who cleared in general merit.
    Rest malpractices is rampant son/daughter of DIG/IG are non creamy layer :D
    Need to clean system and remove those who got in last 10-20 yrs.
  • Wait for DoPT clarifications n new guidelines
  • source: http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36033_5_2004-Estt.SCT-14102004.pdf

    point no. 10 states that:
    10. In regard to clause (x) of para 4, it is clarified that while applying the Income/Wealth Test to
    determine creamy layer status of any candidate as given in Category-VI of the Schedule to the
    OM, income from the salaries and income from the agricultural land shall not be taken into
    account. It means that if income from salaries of the parents of any candidate is more than Rs.2.5
    lakh per annum, income from agricultural land is more than Rs 2.5 lakh per annum, but income
    from other sources is less than Rs 2.5 lakh per annum, the candidate shall not be treated to be
    falling in creamy layer on the basis of Income/Wealth Test provided his parent(s) do not possess
    wealth above the exemption limit as prescribed in the Wealth Tax Act for a period of three
    consecutive years.

    kindly help me understand this.

    Don't read it in isolation. read complete O.M.
  • Hi
    I am one of the selected candidate who is affected by this issue and currently not been allocated any service.
    Let me make this issue clear to you all.
    First lets see who is included in creamy layer –
    A. Group A/Class 1 officers of the All India Central and State Services (Direct Recruits).
    Son(s) and daughter(s) of
    (a) parents, both of whom are Class I officers;
    (b) Parents, either of whom is a Class-I officers;
    B. Group B/Class II officers of the Central & State Services (Direct Recruitment)
    Son(s) and daughter(s) of
    (a) Parents both of whom are Class II officers.
    (b) Parents of whom only the husband is a Class II officer and he gets into Class I at the age of 40 or earlier
    Employees in Public Sector Undertakings etc.
    The criteria enumerated in A&B above in this Category will apply mutatis mutandi to officers holding equivalent or comparable posts in PSUs, Banks, Insurance Organisations, Universities, etc. and also to equivalent or comparable posts and positions under private employment, Pending the evaluation of the posts on equivalent or comparable basis in these institutions, the criteria specified in Category VI below will apply to the officers in these Institutions.
    Now, the government was supposed to evaluate the equivalent/comparable post in PSUs, Banks, Insurance Organisations, Universities, etc. In 1993. They have not done it till now(2016)
    So, Category VI applies which is Income/Wealth test.
    VI. Income/Wealth Test –
    Son(s) and daughter(s) of
    (a) Persons having gross annual income of Rs. 6 lakh or above or possessing wealth above the Wealth Tax Act for a period of three consecutive years.

    Now, each PSU has its own hierarchy (class I, II, III, IV or Group A, B, C, D or Grade 1, 2, 3, 4 etc). Since the govt. Has not issued any equivalence, PSU employees would get certificate issued from their PSU about their Class/Group/Grade and get the obc non creamy layer certificate issued for their wards. This certificate has been acceptable to the DoPT until last year and allocation has been done.
    Here i want to say that even Group C or D employees of any PSU with 20-25 years of service has salary more than 6 lakhs. Hence by Income/Wealth test even they fall into creamy layer, let alone Group A/B employees.

    Now the issue at hand, DoPT says the govt has never issued any equivalence for PSU/Banks/University/Insurance etc. Hence Income/Wealth test applies for all PSU wards. Thus putting all of them in creamy layer(since salary is more than 6 lakhs for 3 consecutive years). Those who qualified with general merit will be treated as general candidate. Those qualified on OBC criteria get nothing.

    What are we doing?
    Going to the court. Since the fault is of the govt. for not determining equivalence, and they are punishing us.
  • @avenuex totally agree with u sir...atb
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