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Why many IITians and NITians don't choose maths optional despite it being heavyily scoring

With my present optional, I could only reach 210. If I put extra effort I could reach 230-240 at max. But, maths have scores that are enviable, near 300 which can make you IAS. So, I regret not choosing it. Now, I can't do anything for this attempt. Is it a feasible option if I start preparing for it in this December for 2017.
Or am I simply worrying and ignoring the negatives of maths? Please reply as this is bugging me.
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  • sa123 said:

    With my present optional, I could only reach 210. If I put extra effort I could reach 230-240 at max. But, maths have scores that are enviable, near 300 which can make you IAS. So, I regret not choosing it. Now, I can't do anything for this attempt. Is it a feasible option if I start preparing for it in this December for 2017.
    Or am I simply worrying and ignoring the negatives of maths? Please reply as this is bugging me.

    Bhai 3 saal lag gaye tb jaake score 200 plus pahicha hai...maths is scoring but competitive too...it needs effrts...but nt impossible...agar gs acha hai toh u can go for it in 1 year...but 300 score needs either hardwrk or super intelligence
    Ps : iit grad
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  • I personally was very confident about Math, but when I was about to start my preparation - I was told by my dear friend/senior that for Maths alone - prep would take me 8-10 months and there was only 8 months to mains :D - so I decided to not take Math. But I failed that attempt....

    Next attempt - again I didn't have the time to change the optional.

    And now I am selected but I only got 203 in my philosophy optional :( This will be my last attempt in any case and I simply don't have the time to switch to Math.

    What I cannot do:
    Spell "Antecedent".

    What I can do:
    Crack CSE.
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  • Scoring optional is a myth...... Every optional has 10 20% undoable syllabus..... When we choose optional, our mind fool us by saying 80 90 % syllabus is so easy.... And once we are neck deep in preparation,we realise that grass was indeed greener on the other side
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  • edited June 2016
    sa123 said:

    With my present optional, I could only reach 210. If I put extra effort I could reach 230-240 at max. But, maths have scores that are enviable, near 300 which can make you IAS. So, I regret not choosing it. Now, I can't do anything for this attempt. Is it a feasible option if I start preparing for it in this December for 2017.
    Or am I simply worrying and ignoring the negatives of maths? Please reply as this is bugging me.

    how much effort did u put for get this score? I mean the percentage of time u allotted for optional papers or the ratio of optional and other papers?
    wind power α v^3. That's how speed matters to generate power required to drive upsc exam.
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  • I personally was very confident about Math, but when I was about to start my preparation - I was told by my dear friend/senior that for Maths alone - prep would take me 8-10 months and there was only 8 months to mains :D - so I decided to not take Math. But I failed that attempt....

    Next attempt - again I didn't have the time to change the optional.

    And now I am selected but I only got 203 in my philosophy optional :( This will be my last attempt in any case and I simply don't have the time to switch to Math.

    Skip this attempt and prepare.
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  • sa123 said:

    With my present optional, I could only reach 210. If I put extra effort I could reach 230-240 at max. But, maths have scores that are enviable, near 300 which can make you IAS. So, I regret not choosing it. Now, I can't do anything for this attempt. Is it a feasible option if I start preparing for it in this December for 2017.
    Or am I simply worrying and ignoring the negatives of maths? Please reply as this is bugging me.

    First, the easy part, 99.99% of the engineers from IIT or NIT choose Humanities optional... only very few choose maths.... cause of various reasons... availability of study material and guidance, easy to comprehend, can be done on their own without coaching... and good information about books and strategies by previous toppers on the internet in their blogs and interviews.

    Bhai... I chose Maths in my first attempt.. then math was not doing that well... Everyone told me not to take it ... but i took it anyway, cause i used to score a lot in maths in school days (many 100s in school) and also in JEE, math was one thing that sailed me through... my scores in Chemistry was pathetic and Physics was just average(I dont know what happend to Physics score as I was good in Physics as well, I just got the cut off in Chemistry).... I completed 90% of math syllabus... but there are around 14-15 books you need to study in maths... and if you dont have guidance on what to study and what to leave and how much depth you need to study, you are going to be immersed in it for a long time and wont be able to complete it... That time I didnt even had internet connection... Anyways... moving forward... though i had done almost 90% of the course, and i was able to attempt almost 75-80% questions... I decided to change optionals due to different voices and opinions of teachers and students alike... Also completing the whole paper in 3hrs time was very challenging

    And you know what optional I chose? Pub Ad... and after that PubAd was drubbed by UPSC... kutte ki tarah pit rahe hain PubAd waale bacche aajkal... UPSC aise dho raha hai ki pucho mat.... But still there are some who are gettting 254(thats the maximum that was scored from Pub Ad optional) and there were hardly 5-6 from PubAd who made to the list this year... One guy who got around 180 rank got less than 50 marks in Paper 1 of Pub Ad (he is from IIM-A and he said that the first paper was all from managment studies and very easy for him, and he was expecting 160-185 in Paper 1).

    The scaling system of UPSC tries to scale the toppers of almost every optional to an equal footing... So, if you are topper of your optional, you are going to be at an equal footing with the topper of Maths... Also, I bet raw marks of Maths topper would be around 450+ (as in maths if you have done a question right, its right, Maths is a precise field, unlike Arts which is subjective and even Physics whose laws work only for given conditions and are mostly approximations)

    So, you see... There is no need in changing optional now two months before Prelims... But surely if you want to change to Maths for next year ie 2017, then you can go for it... but even there you will need to top in your optional or be at least in top 5-10 to be selected ... or else scaling you will exponentially decrease and will bring your score to less than 50 .... and then only GS can save you... Other option is to study the same optional you have and improve on it to be in top 5-10 of your optional.. Getting 95 marks out of 100 is easy but to get those extra 5 marks is the real challenge.... Those 5 marks are reserved for the brainiest....

    Gaurav Agrawal topped with unconventional optional of Economics.... cause he was good at it.. not cause he chose it keeping in mind others views and listening to others. If you really think that you are the smartest kid on block in Maths, then definately go for it...

    Good Luck
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  • sa123 said:

    With my present optional, I could only reach 210. If I put extra effort I could reach 230-240 at max. But, maths have scores that are enviable, near 300 which can make you IAS. So, I regret not choosing it. Now, I can't do anything for this attempt. Is it a feasible option if I start preparing for it in this December for 2017.
    Or am I simply worrying and ignoring the negatives of maths? Please reply as this is bugging me.

    how much effort did u put for get this score? I mean the percentage of time u allotted for optional papers or the ratio of optional and other papers?
    30-40%. I have to improve my GS scores too. Essay was fine.
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  • edited June 2016
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    wind power α v^3. That's how speed matters to generate power required to drive upsc exam.
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  • edited June 2016
    vinpat said:


    Skip this attempt and prepare.

    I am running out of age, not attempts! This will be my last attempt because I am 31.
    BTW, we don't even know if there will be optionals in 2017!

    What I cannot do:
    Spell "Antecedent".

    What I can do:
    Crack CSE.
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  • edited June 2016
    One more reason -
    Mostly people are good in 12th level maths or general maths and UPSC syllabus is much more than that. This syllabus requires equal amount of (may be more) efforts as is required in any humanities optional. And you never know if tomorrow the optional is removed, in that case the efforts made in maths wont be of much help.
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  • banksy_ said:

    sa123 said:

    With my present optional, I could only reach 210. If I put extra effort I could reach 230-240 at max. But, maths have scores that are enviable, near 300 which can make you IAS. So, I regret not choosing it. Now, I can't do anything for this attempt. Is it a feasible option if I start preparing for it in this December for 2017.
    Or am I simply worrying and ignoring the negatives of maths? Please reply as this is bugging me.

    First, the easy part, 99.99% of the engineers from IIT or NIT choose Humanities optional... only very few choose maths.... cause of various reasons... availability of study material and guidance, easy to comprehend, can be done on their own without coaching... and good information about books and strategies by previous toppers on the internet in their blogs and interviews.

    Bhai... I chose Maths in my first attempt.. then math was not doing that well... Everyone told me not to take it ... but i took it anyway, cause i used to score a lot in maths in school days (many 100s in school) and also in JEE, math was one thing that sailed me through... my scores in Chemistry was pathetic and Physics was just average(I dont know what happend to Physics score as I was good in Physics as well, I just got the cut off in Chemistry).... I completed 90% of math syllabus... but there are around 14-15 books you need to study in maths... and if you dont have guidance on what to study and what to leave and how much depth you need to study, you are going to be immersed in it for a long time and wont be able to complete it... That time I didnt even had internet connection... Anyways... moving forward... though i had done almost 90% of the course, and i was able to attempt almost 75-80% questions... I decided to change optionals due to different voices and opinions of teachers and students alike... Also completing the whole paper in 3hrs time was very challenging

    And you know what optional I chose? Pub Ad... and after that PubAd was drubbed by UPSC... kutte ki tarah pit rahe hain PubAd waale bacche aajkal... UPSC aise dho raha hai ki pucho mat.... But still there are some who are gettting 254(thats the maximum that was scored from Pub Ad optional) and there were hardly 5-6 from PubAd who made to the list this year... One guy who got around 180 rank got less than 50 marks in Paper 1 of Pub Ad (he is from IIM-A and he said that the first paper was all from managment studies and very easy for him, and he was expecting 160-185 in Paper 1).

    The scaling system of UPSC tries to scale the toppers of almost every optional to an equal footing... So, if you are topper of your optional, you are going to be at an equal footing with the topper of Maths... Also, I bet raw marks of Maths topper would be around 450+ (as in maths if you have done a question right, its right, Maths is a precise field, unlike Arts which is subjective and even Physics whose laws work only for given conditions and are mostly approximations)

    So, you see... There is no need in changing optional now two months before Prelims... But surely if you want to change to Maths for next year ie 2017, then you can go for it... but even there you will need to top in your optional or be at least in top 5-10 to be selected ... or else scaling you will exponentially decrease and will bring your score to less than 50 .... and then only GS can save you... Other option is to study the same optional you have and improve on it to be in top 5-10 of your optional.. Getting 95 marks out of 100 is easy but to get those extra 5 marks is the real challenge.... Those 5 marks are reserved for the brainiest....

    Gaurav Agrawal topped with unconventional optional of Economics.... cause he was good at it.. not cause he chose it keeping in mind others views and listening to others. If you really think that you are the smartest kid on block in Maths, then definately go for it...

    Good Luck
    An eye opener. Thanks Buddy for the writing in length.
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  • Semester mein hi badi mushkil se paas hue the... optional subject mathematics... no no no...
    To be, or not to be, that is the question...
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  • edited June 2016

    vinpat said:


    Skip this attempt and prepare.

    I am running out of age, not attempts! This will be my last attempt because I am 31.
    BTW, we don't even know if there will be optionals in 2017!

    And also because of the Railways banning future attempts. :tongue:
    Or was it rolled back?
    Btw, what service are you likely to get?
    Oh yes - that too! Completely forgot about it bro.
    I am likely to get IRTS as per the gurus here.

    One more reason -
    Mostly people are good in 12th level maths or general maths and UPSC syllabus is much more than that. This syllabus requires equal amount of (may be more) efforts as is required in any humanities optional. And you never know if tomorrow the optional is removed, in that case the efforts made in maths wont be of much help.

    Exactly bro. The journey from "12th level maths+engg mathematics" se "phodu at UPSC level maths" is intensive.

    One more thing is "advertisements". No one advertises Math as quick and easy. But institutes (and junta) advertise that whole of can be finished in 2-3 months! (at least this was the case for philosophy and sociology at ORN when I visited there once)
    What I cannot do:
    Spell "Antecedent".

    What I can do:
    Crack CSE.
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