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[Interview Question] Benguluru attack: An act of Racialism or Not ?

Benguluru attack : an act of Racialism or not ? Are we a Racial society ? Why such happen and what should be done..give me CRISP 4-5 points for each ?? :)

No long paragraphs etc required.. plzz be brief.. give your to the point views..Absolutely no bakar... I will give my views if others contribute.. Hoping for a healthy discussion mates..especially Invite experienced NBS to enlighten us all..
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  • @IWRA @fairytale @sidsa @amateur2 @warrior0602 and all others who are interested no matter whether you given mains or not...???
    Being IAS... 4 U Onlyyy... :-)


    " Woods are lovely dark and deep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    And miles to go before I sleep.. before I sleep. " :)

    #HumHongeKamyaabEkDin :)
  • the point is not whether the attack is racist or not...the point is y the incident is being blown out of proportion by the media...the thing is that young africans enter india mainly to trafick drugs and sex.....they enrol thmselves in some fake one room colleges and enter india on a student visa....after entering thy hardly attend any class and start engaging in activities for which thy are originally here...the world knows that india is a transit point for global sex as well as drugs trade.
    They have already made goa state a hell....a number of times gang wars take place in that state...if u watch any such videos on youtube u'll feel as if the incident is taking place somewhre in africa....same was the case of khirki extension...somnath bharti raised is voice against the mighty drug and prostitution cartels and therefore he himself is stuck in some fake domestic violence case blown out of proportions....such is the pathetic state of urban and tourist areas of india.....
    the number of africans entering india is steadily increasing...and many continue to stay here even after their documents have expired...
    What is the reason behind govt turning a blind eye to these cases is the fact that many indian companies have significant investments in oil and gas as well as in agriculture in countries like nigeria, botswana and so on.It is these investor lobbies that stop politicians/bureaucrats from taking action against these africans.....

    Therefore, in order to save the future of millions of indian youngsters....Indian govt needs to take immediate and stringent action against drug and human traffickers
    Congratulations to all those who cleared CSE 2014....!!
  • edited February 2016

    Benguluru attack : an act of Racialism or not ? Are we a Racial society ? Why such happen and what should be done..give me CRISP 4-5 points for each ?? :)

    No long paragraphs etc required.. plzz be brief.. give your to the point views..Absolutely no bakar... I will give my views if others contribute.. Hoping for a healthy discussion mates..especially Invite experienced NBS to enlighten us all..

    Benguluru attack : an act of Racialism or not ?

    The way the incident took place says so, but at the same time one must ponder over the reasons and circumstances that led to it.
    -It was not a systematic attack against a community.A Tanzanian woman was attacked at a moment of fury where she was equated as representing black or African people. On that part it was an isolated event driven by mob fury and without much of a thought.
    -What it represents is: lack of civic order and civic responsibility in a pocket of population.

    Are we a Racial society ?
    -We are not a racial society in the way US or South Africa were once known for. But at the same time we are pretty far from perfect.
    -With globalization people, both from within India and outside India have come to a particular city.Few cities like Mumbai have seen many instances of attack on migrant people from Bihar, Jharkhand and UP, similar cases have been reported in Assam and Manipur and recently we have seen attack on foreigners in so called cosmopolitan cities like Delhi and Bengaluru. Few cases are politically driven(Mumbai) and few are demand based, like rights of indigenous people over employment and resources (Assam, Manipur).These are the trends we need to be worried about. If we fail to contain internal intolerance, it will indirectly lead to external intolerance which is being equated as racialism. I will call it a failure of our society but won't go so far to call our society a racial society.

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  • edited February 2016
    IWRA said:

    Benguluru attack : an act of Racialism or not ? Are we a Racial society ? Why such happen and what should be done..give me CRISP 4-5 points for each ?? :)

    No long paragraphs etc required.. plzz be brief.. give your to the point views..Absolutely no bakar... I will give my views if others contribute.. Hoping for a healthy discussion mates..especially Invite experienced NBS to enlighten us all..

    Benguluru attack : an act of Racialism or not ?

    The way the incident took place says so, but at the same time one must ponder over the reasons and circumstances that led to it.
    -It was not a systematic attack against a community.A Tanzanian woman was attacked at a moment of fury where she was equated as representing black or African people. On that part it was an isolated event driven by mob fury and without much of a thought.
    -What it represents is: lack of civic order and civic responsibility in a pocket of population.

    Are we a Racial society ?
    -We are not a racial society in the way US or South Africa were once known for. But at the same time we are pretty far from perfect.
    -With globalization people, both from within India and outside India have come to a particular city.Few cities like Mumbai have seen many instances of attack on migrant people from Bihar, Jharkhand and UP, similar cases have been reported in Assam and Manipur and recently we have seen attack on foreigners in so called cosmopolitan cities like Delhi and Bengaluru. Few cases are politically driven(Mumbai) and few are demand based, like rights of indigenous people over employment and resources (Assam, Manipur).These are the trends we need to be worried about. If we fail to contain internal intolerance, it will indirectly lead to external intolerance which is being equated as racialism. I will call it a failure of our society but won't go so far to call our society a racial society.


    Isn't that is a sign of Racialism or a kind of Prejudiced Behaviour sighting color or physical appearance?

    "ALL BLACK IS BAD AND SAME !!".. SAME THING FOR NORTH EASTERNs .."The Other" feelings.. bcz they are not one of us..they All looks alike and all are same..???..is it a right way to justify "MOB JUSTICE"..

    @IWRA @fist_of_fury and @all
    Being IAS... 4 U Onlyyy... :-)


    " Woods are lovely dark and deep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    And miles to go before I sleep.. before I sleep. " :)

    #HumHongeKamyaabEkDin :)
  • edited February 2016

    IWRA said:

    Benguluru attack : an act of Racialism or not ? Are we a Racial society ? Why such happen and what should be done..give me CRISP 4-5 points for each ?? :)

    No long paragraphs etc required.. plzz be brief.. give your to the point views..Absolutely no bakar... I will give my views if others contribute.. Hoping for a healthy discussion mates..especially Invite experienced NBS to enlighten us all..

    Benguluru attack : an act of Racialism or not ?

    The way the incident took place says so, but at the same time one must ponder over the reasons and circumstances that led to it.
    -It was not a systematic attack against a community.A Tanzanian woman was attacked at a moment of fury where she was equated as representing black or African people. On that part it was an isolated event driven by mob fury and without much of a thought.
    -What it represents is: lack of civic order and civic responsibility in a pocket of population.

    Are we a Racial society ?
    -We are not a racial society in the way US or South Africa were once known for. But at the same time we are pretty far from perfect.
    -With globalization people, both from within India and outside India have come to a particular city.Few cities like Mumbai have seen many instances of attack on migrant people from Bihar, Jharkhand and UP, similar cases have been reported in Assam and Manipur and recently we have seen attack on foreigners in so called cosmopolitan cities like Delhi and Bengaluru. Few cases are politically driven(Mumbai) and few are demand based, like rights of indigenous people over employment and resources (Assam, Manipur).These are the trends we need to be worried about. If we fail to contain internal intolerance, it will indirectly lead to external intolerance which is being equated as racialism. I will call it a failure of our society but won't go so far to call our society a racial society.


    Isn't that is a sign of Racialism?

    "ALL BLACK IS BAD AND SAME !!".. SAME THING FOR NORTH EASTERNs .."The Other" feelings.. bcz they are not one of us..they All looks alike and all are same..???..is it a right way to justify "MOB JUSTICE"..

    @IWRA @fist_of_fury and @all
    No, for two reasons:
    -It was done by a group of people which doesn't represent the entire India.
    -There is no "systematic attack" in the sense that people will stop Africans and attack or murder, the way most of the cases used to take place in Australia with respect to Indian students.

    There is an apprehension in Indian Psyche, especially in unemployed youths, about Africans involved in drug trafficking and prostitution. But that population is still minute.

    For north-eastern and migrant labor issue I agree with the rising intolerance for which I have stated different set of reasons.This is what we should first target. We are divided on caste, class and regional lines, but on racial lines..I don't think so.
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  • Ok..i understand your view..let's wait for other enlighteNed wits to write up their minds..!!.. meanwhile can you suggest some measures to avoid such incidences ??.. but good defense..keep it up

    @IWRA
    Being IAS... 4 U Onlyyy... :-)


    " Woods are lovely dark and deep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    And miles to go before I sleep.. before I sleep. " :)

    #HumHongeKamyaabEkDin :)
  • Ok..i understand your view..let's wait for other enlighteNed wits to write up their minds..!!.. meanwhile can you suggest some measures to avoid such incidences ??.. but good defense..keep it up

    @IWRA

    We need to gel in these outsiders in our society and the major responsibility for the same lies with the Indian authorities.

    Until we remove the element of apprehension from people's mind such incidents might keep happening. For that community interaction, increasing people-to-people contact can be thought of.
    Civic awareness and civic sensibilities can be developed through different platforms, social networks,PM Man ki Baat, creative advertisement over AIR and DD channels..This might be needed for initial build up..which can later be included in our academic curricula..because India is not going to be a closed society anymore and people will keep coming..we better prepare our people for that.

    Other usual methods:
    -Stricter laws
    -Increasing employment opportunities
    -SMART policing in sensitive areas.
    One day, perhaps, love may die of disuse, left to rust in wind and weather.
  • As a Bangalorean, I think, I would be able to answer this better with my knowledge of ground reality.. The unfortunate incident happened in Bengluru was blown out of proportion by national media. People of Bengaluru have rarely shown linguistic chauvinism. When there was an exodus of North East people in 2013, we went to Railway Station to convince them and caused their return. African origin tribes like 'Siddi's are staying in Karnataka from centuries.
    But, this incident happened becoz of misunderstanding, people's anger over illegal activities by these people. There was an accident at that place just before this incident. One African guy caused death of a localite by his overspeed driving under the effect of alcohol and without driving license(later investigated). People there misunderstood and thrashed this Tanzanian lady. Local people were complaining about illegal activities of these over-stayed Africans like sex business, drugtrafficking. All fueled this incident... This is not racialist attitude... Even if it were Americans or some Indian or Kannadiga, in my opinion, same thing could have happened!! But incident got highlighted not because of racial attitude of people, but due to pathetic response of Police!! They show same attitude towards local people also...so not unexpected ..
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  • Kafi African log drug bechte hai ...Gandhi vihar me bhi
  • edited February 2016
    My view-

    Rather than saying that a particular reason like Racism being a dominating reason behind such incidents IMO such incidents are a culminated result of multiple and multidimensional reasons such as -

    1) Semi-racial or atleast prejudiced attitude and behavior ( ingrained in psyche since colonial time) in our society.

    2) INSENSETIVE, Illequipped and Insufficient Police leading to Lack of enforcement of laws

    3)Migration explosion especially in Metropolitan areas

    4) Economy of scarcity

    5)Presence of a few fundamentalistic organizations and Mischievous fellows in locality- mostly with some influencial political backings

    6) Lack of appropriate Symbolic as well as Tangible response by government and enlightened people post such incidents.

    7) Illlegal and out of sync ( wrt local culture nd customary practices) behaviour/acts by A Few immigrants/foreigners living in such areas. Etc etc

    It is a comPlex outplay of many/all such factors which keep boiling underneath and sometimes outburst in such incidents Sir !!
    Being IAS... 4 U Onlyyy... :-)


    " Woods are lovely dark and deep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    And miles to go before I sleep.. before I sleep. " :)

    #HumHongeKamyaabEkDin :)
  • KrkKrk
    edited February 2016
    Most sociologists will not agree with the definition of racism that medeia is portraying. For me it was more a case of herd mentality ( which a part of indian genetic system) than racism. One man beating someone others will also gather and do it without investigating the cause. Maro maro maro maro.
    hey bro
  • What can be done-

    Like reasons of problem, solution should also be multiple and multidimensional sir..such as -

    1) IMO one of the most important actor here is Police- as Amitabh bachan in a movie says "Hmare yhaa agr Police chahe to koi Bche k haath se khilona naa le.. (maarna pitna to dur ki bt h!!"- As myself having personal experiences of being located in a metropolitan locality i have seen that Yes Police here lacks Sensitivity and is contaminated with same prejudices which our society in general beholds.

    So need is to sensitize , equipping them well, and improving their service conditions and also Autonomy in functioning !!

    2) 2nd iimportant actor and perhaps the best one is .. Enlightened people have to come in front.. As well said ..People suffer not because of Violence of Bad people but because of silence of Good people.
    Being IAS... 4 U Onlyyy... :-)


    " Woods are lovely dark and deep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    And miles to go before I sleep.. before I sleep. " :)

    #HumHongeKamyaabEkDin :)
  • Other long term measures are-

    3) creating adequate job opportunities for unemployed youth in urban areas

    4) More massive and Diverse migration in metros

    5) sensitization of society via various ways and actors etc
    Being IAS... 4 U Onlyyy... :-)


    " Woods are lovely dark and deep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    And miles to go before I sleep.. before I sleep. " :)

    #HumHongeKamyaabEkDin :)
  • @Vakkoda

    Thats the main problm police doesn't take any action. Why police doesnt take...the reason is it is stopped by those political bosses sitting above it who are themselves big drug peddlers....and then to divert public attention thy bring in irrelevant issues such as racism and so on...
    It's a straight forward problem of lack of management of law and order. If you observe keenly, you will find even in other metros like mumbai, delhi and even tier -2 cities these nigerians have started infiltrating. Media portrays them as students (as if they are some noble beings and have come for our country's welfare) whereas they have hardly anything to do with studies and are here only to ruin the lives of our youngsters by selling drugs.
    Now these africans do not have proper standard of life in their own countries, lack of employment, crime, poverty are issues why they have to run away from their native countries. But that doesnt mean that they start activities which ruin our country.
    Congratulations to all those who cleared CSE 2014....!!
  • Krk said:

    Most sociologists will not agree with the definition of racism that medeia is portraying. For me it was more a case of herd mentality ( which a part of indian genetic system) than racism. One man beating someone others will also gather and do it without investigating the cause. Maro maro maro maro.


    This is what i see as issue of law and order.. In mob people here believes in a sense of IMPUNITY.. kyunki bheed ka naa koi chehra hota h na awaaz.. but this happens bcz our Policing system is weak and infected.. Mob mentality and behaviour can be contained and restricted if suitable and timely action is taken by Police sir g... :)

    Real problem is when the local police itself says..MARO MARO MARO..and i am saying this bcz i myself has been eyewitness of 2-3 such incidents.. ofcourse they were not highlighted by our GREAT MEDIA ;)
    Being IAS... 4 U Onlyyy... :-)


    " Woods are lovely dark and deep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    But I have promises to keep..
    And miles to go before I sleep.. before I sleep. " :)

    #HumHongeKamyaabEkDin :)
  • edited February 2016
    One needs to know how gujratis and marwaris are exploiting Africans in Africa. IMO worse than few african drug peddlers in India.

    Fyi Russians and Israelis are the crime bosses in Goa not africans who just peddle drugs. Ofc we worship the white man so we ignore his evil deeds. Do you even know how many white pedophiles are running fake NGOs to sexually abuse little boys and girls in India?

    But we focus on these negros whose black skin disgusts us.
  • @Mahavir123

    u are absolutely right man...organized crime has become a menace and i can say that it has become a threat to the very existence of this country...however, what bothers me is the very low level of public awareness wrt to it....which in turn is caused due to the fact that the ppl who are sitting on top of such crime are themselves operating/influencing all our mass media channels...these channels keep us busy in uselesss stories abt cricketers, celebrities, worthless politicians, petty crimes and so on...they never draw our attention to the core issues surrounding us....
    i can quote an example of how goa was ruined by incessant mining and export of precious iron ore...no media channel/politician dared to bring out any fact against it whn it was being done....i got to know abt many startling facts only after i read a book on it..!!!! so much happens around us but we know nothing.......................we are always kept in dark frm the things we actually should be knowing abt....

    You are true in saying that all these drug cartels are run by the white bosses sitting on the heads of these african..who are nothing more than petty pawns in such activities...but who has the courage to speak out or raise our voices against the whites....our leadership walks hand in hand with them...the general populace looks for the first opportunity to migrate to the developed countries manned by whites.....so it's a vicious circle.....

    Atleast by eliminating these africans may be we could bring abt some control over this illicit trade of flesh and drugs...after all we are solely responsible fr the well being of our country.....no outsider would care fr anything but his own interests...
    Congratulations to all those who cleared CSE 2014....!!
  • What would have happened if there wasn't any licensing provision for guns in our country? (Gun violence @peak in USA)
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  • ur scaring me now....go thru this link...these ppl have already started taking steps towards bringing gun culture to india...https://www.rt.com/business/321300-kalashnikov-india-talks-production/

    now a time will come when a section of indians will start supporting even these kind of steps under the garb of increasing terrorism...and under the influence of marketing propaganda backed by billions
    Congratulations to all those who cleared CSE 2014....!!
  • @fist_of_fury Kill all the Africans. Wont do a thing. Foot soliders are easy to replace. Africans will get replaced by illegal Bangladeshi immigrants and you wont be able to act against because they form a votebank and the media will cry intolerance.
  • @Mahavir123

    did i ask them to be killed....? pls do not exaggerate things...there are legitimate ways....stop issuing visas, deport those widout valid documents/expired visas.....are these dat difficult things?
    ya...india has been overcrowded by both illegal bangladeshi as well as nepali immigrants...two reasons being shortage in supply of domestic labor as well as vote bank politics....as i told u before also media and politicians prevent us frm focusing on real issues by distracting us by showing non-issues
    Congratulations to all those who cleared CSE 2014....!!
  • ur scaring me now....go thru this link...these ppl have already started taking steps towards bringing gun culture to india...https://www.rt.com/business/321300-kalashnikov-india-talks-production/

    ........

    OMG...Its going to be risky affair... How can a country which gave message of peace and non-violence from millenniums become supplier of Violence to other countries?? Definitely Moral Vs Economic (Clearly UPSC has a point in asking us to write essay on 'India facing moral and economic crisis'
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