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UPSC Civil Services Exam 2012 Final MARKSHEET OUT

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  • @Caartey : you have summed up the entire scenario pretty well.. kudos !
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  • @Stardust1901 : if rank 118 is a general category candidate, then he definitely would not have got the IAS (if that was his 1st choice).. considering there where 150 seats for the IAS in 2011, the general category should get over by around 70-75 (considering reserved category backlog)... i doubt he would've bin allotted IAS even if he was within 100 !
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  • Thanks for your concern man...
    Even I had my doubts in the past. i also got myself tested. even by specialists...
    Yes there are some unique, even some quirky aspects about my personality...
    But they assured me that I am not crazy...
    *If it is approved by specialists, then "Congratulations!"

    Also this picture is simply a sample from the huge data...
    If i am way out of line...
    Please explain logically why the cutoff drastically went down in 2012...???

    *Maybe 100 reasons, most simple one is "because, papers were a bit tough.". Moreover, knowing the reason for low cut-off is no way useful in a competitive exam. As for 'reasoning'( its in the syllabus), 2011& 2012 -pre were both CSAT, how can u conclude that lower marks in 2012 means CSAT has reduced the quality of examinees. It was present in both years!!!!

    If you didn't know this, my signature is a anti-smoking message in the form of a "reductio ad absurdum"
    which i promote now as i was able to successfully quit my smoking habit a year ago...

    *Whatever is that, it looks infinitely stupid, no matter if you have a fancy name for it. You have quit smoking, very good. That doesn't give you a license to say illogical things about smoking and -if someone is stupid enough to take advice from your message- misguide people.
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  • Mr Caarty.

    I too find your views a little objectionable. I am a heavy smoker for a long time now and i know what it does to one. I may get my lungs choked, get throat cancer, become impotent or get unsteady hands but i ain't gonna quit it. Vices like smoking, drinking, gambling etc are one's personal choices and i won't like someone barking over it. I have 1000 problems beside smoking so if you wanna crib about smoking then you should also try to give solutions to other 999 problems . If you can't then just shut the f88k up. I will deal with all my 1000 problems on my own. I will do whatever i want to and shun anything whenever i feel like.

    As for the huge difference of marks in two consecutive years among those selected is attributed to many factors. One of them, which i find suitable is the approach of examiners in setting and evaluating the question papers. Nowadays analytic approach is being adopted by UPSC compared to predominately factual nature of questions in yesteryears. It all started to begin from 2010 so i can assume DP has some sort of hand in it. The question papers of 2012 be it GS or optionals are the most analytic in UPSC's entire history.

    Now the problem with analytic nature of questions is that there can't be one definite answer. All depends upon thje mindset of the examiner which may or may not match your own. Factual questions are easy and most of the times if you know the facts well you can get good marks. I can give many examples from the previous year Question papers in this regard but it would be very lengthy. Anyways you can see it for yourself and the the kind of mind you are certainly you will understand.

    The solution to this is according to my view should be introduction of MCQs in Mains too like in pre. At least MCQs have a definite answer and whatever little objectionable they be, like we saw in this years official answerkey, they present a very fair ground to anyone participating. I love the level of UPSC pre exam post 2011 (these coachingwallas test series be damned) and would love to see same kind in mains too + essay for assessing one's writing skills.

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  • @Jacob : true that about the smokers' bit..
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  • edited May 2013
    Firstly i’d like to say I don't think people are outraged because they have a problem with Literature subjects but because of the distortions that exist in the system. I personally have absolutely no problem with anybody taking any optional but i would like to see a system which is fair and NOT DISTORTIONARY(not favouring Pub Ad or Pali or whatever)

    Now regarding the distortion itself. The fact is that there is a DISTORTION has been accepted by UPSC and that is one of the reasons they are changing the pattern. I’m sure you remember the provision which said that literature optional can be taken only by those students who had them as their graduation subjects(also the removal of Pali). Although that provision was removed later that was a clear acknowledgement on the part of UPSC that people taking literature optional are getting marks which are disproportionately high. So whether you accept it or not UPSC has accepted that there is a problem with the system.

    (P.S here: I need to make it clear that I am not talking on the merit of the provision. I also found it discriminatory. But that’s not the point here. The point is that UPSC believes that there is a distortion.)

    Of course people make their choice of optional subjects to score marks. I do not see anything ethically/morally wrong in that. Even people who take subjects of their interest take them to ultimately maximise their performance. Since you would have interest in the subject you will be able to study longer hours and enjoy the subject more which would lead to more productivity and most probably better answers and consequently MORE MARKS. The student’s job is to study and get high marks so that he/she can get into the service. If there is a distortion in UPSC’s system which favours Public Administration or Literature people are bound to take those subjects because if you don’t then someone else will. It’s UPSC’s job to set standards which are fair and not distortionary and to ENCOURAGE (not force) people to take subjects that they have interest in. But if UPSC has been unable to do that how can you blame students for taking those subjects. Let’s say hypothetically the portion for Maths optional is way above M Sc standards(which would also be a distortion)would you still take Maths as an optional? I would guess not. Otherwise it would be stupidity since you wouldn’t have time to prepare General Studies. You have a whole life to pursue your interest anyway.

    And what about a person who does not have any particular interest and did not enjoy his/her graduation subject either. That person doesn’t deserve to sit in the exam at all? Because he/she’s obviously not been reading any of the subjects prior to the examination phase. Please understand that if this person is willing to take any subject outside their domain and ready to compete with other students (who have done those subjects in their graduation or have pursued it as their interest) then the first person is also taking quite a huge risk and if he is able to compete against the others based on UPSC’s standards then kudos to that person.

    And lastly for you to give me(or anyone on the forum) certain choices( Either to ignore/ostracise you or accept your views) smacks of complete arrogance. I don’t think i have done any of the three. I just have a different view.
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  • edited May 2013
    @Caartey That was in response to your posts earlier in the thread.Sorry i forgot to tag you in the resposnse.

    P.S : My optionals were History and Pol Science(now Pol Science)
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  • edited May 2013
    Smokers , cease fire :-t . Its your personal choice to smoke or not to smoke .
    But as person who was heavy smoker [ quit , almost 2 years now] , I could assure , your frustration level will be staggering low , after quitting . \m/
    Personal request to @ashok_harish , dont be brave to say you will be OK with oral cancer.
    It could occur even to non-smokers too . If you witness they struggle with their disease you wont be dramatic enough to say so ;)
    2017--> 8th attempt
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  • @ashok_harish
    The intended message of my signature is "Quit smoking, its good for you"
    if you don't like the words i used to express it that is completely your choice
    and choosing what my signature says is mine...

    @Dilip
    Except for the part about ethical aspects of choosing optional on sole basis of maximum performance,
    i agree with you. my posted focused more on the outrage this year you have extended it to previous year too thanks for that.
    When an aspirant with rare optional raised the discrepancy issue he was generally advised to change his optional, but when a popular optional like pub ad gets hit that to two year in a row now the cry for change has gotten really louder...
    Did the aspirants with pub ad till 2010 get outraged on behalf of the smaller group...???

    Also i apologize for sounding arrogant at the last part i only mentioned the frequent responses i got...
    from now on i ll include this as third choice and a none of these just to be on the safe side...
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  • What do these communities mean ???


    I
    think 4 is General, 3 is OBC, 2 is SC and 1 is ST.
    4-General
    3-OBC
    2-ST
    1-SC

    You can see in the list, digit 1 comes more frequent compared to the digit 2.
    Mathematics CSE 2015
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  • If anyone has already figured out, can you please post the cutoff for different categories?
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  • Thanks for your concern man...
    Even I had my doubts in the past. i also got myself tested. even by specialists...
    Yes there are some unique, even some quirky aspects about my personality...
    But they assured me that I am not crazy...


    *If it is approved by specialists, then "Congratulations!"

    Also this picture is simply a sample from the huge data...
    If i am way out of line...
    Please explain logically why the cutoff drastically went down in 2012...???

    *Maybe 100 reasons, most simple one is "because, papers were a bit tough.". Moreover, knowing the reason for low cut-off is no way useful in a competitive exam. As for 'reasoning'( its in the syllabus), 2011& 2012 -pre were both CSAT, how can u conclude that lower marks in 2012 means CSAT has reduced the quality of examinees. It was present in both years!!!!

    If you didn't know this, my signature is a anti-smoking message in the form of a "reductio ad absurdum"
    which i promote now as i was able to successfully quit my smoking habit a year ago...

    *Whatever is that, it looks infinitely stupid, no matter if you have a fancy name for it. You have quit smoking, very good. That doesn't give you a license to say illogical things about smoking and -if someone is stupid enough to take advice from your message- misguide people.


    @Caartey

    hand tremors especially in smokers is a well researched phenomenon!
    I am posting a link from one of the most reliable site in medicine which establish this association between hand shakes/tremors and nicotine.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6851411
    Valar Morghulis
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  • @bluemeteore
    Dude i know that...
    Look I am the one who is getting creamed by a few for the signature you see
    look at it right bellow this post...
    by Quoting my post ( http://forumias.com/discussion/comment/23753#Comment_23753 ) @Jacob tried to give a point by point rebuttal here http://forumias.com/discussion/comment/23757#Comment_23757 but it came out totally mixed up with no clear distinction on who said what...

    now would you please inform the research details to the users who actually made pro smoking posts.
    Check the page there are a few who disagree with me...
    TAX ASSISTANT IN CUSTOMS (CGLE 2014)
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  • edited May 2013
    If anyone has already figured out, can you please post the cutoff for different categories?
    This is not the cut off just the highest/lowest scores in each category (didnt include PH candidates table becomes too complex)

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  • edited May 2013
    @bluemeteore a study on 33 subjects?????????? First of all, it doesn't prove anything scientifically. It is one of those many useless studies on small groups and generalizing it on a universal level. No one can show the scientific connection between smoking and shaky hands. Please do not be fooled by abstract studies and apply your mind while taking any conclusions from it.

    @Caartey "STOP SMOKING for STEADY HANDS.." -- It is your signature, as you claim. And what your signature tells about you is that you are a very stupid person. Do you want this to be your first impression? ( though it is a true impression, so you might want to continue with the same signature.) Anyway, I don't like to keep telling you about how stupid you are, again and again. So, get busy in your mindless world and hope not to see you anywhere again.

    P.S.- I am not pro-smoking, but anti-stupidity.
    And, to both of you- believe what you will, its your choice, your freedom and there is no need to talk about it anymore. Because, sincerely, I don't have any respect for your 'opinions' anymore.

    On the other hand, does anyone has info about the date of mark sheet-release of not-qualified candidates?

    [Moderator Warning: Personal diatribes are discouraged on this forum. Respect others opinion. Refrain from any personal attack. Don't be judgmental. ]
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  • @Caartey thanks!
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  • @Jacob excess nicotine in the system does indeed cause hand tremors, though the extent differs on your metabolism. There are many many studies that concur on this fact. Although, for a smoker, quitting at this juncture would not be advisable because the only thing that causes worse hand tremors than nicotine is nicotine-withdrawal. I have personally never smoked a cigarette but I did use to smoke other substances in college.

    As to your question, the marks are expected to be released by this weekend, or on monday at the latest.
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  • edited May 2013
    @bluemeteore a study on 33 subjects?????????? First of all, it doesn't prove anything scientifically. It is one of those many useless studies on small groups and generalizing it on a universal level. No one can show the scientific connection between smoking and shaky hands. Please do not be fooled by abstract studies and apply your mind while taking any conclusions from it.

    @Caartey "STOP SMOKING for STEADY HANDS.." -- It is your signature, as you claim. And what your signature tells about you is that you are a very stupid person. Do you want this to be your first impression? ( though it is a true impression, so you might want to continue with the same signature.) Anyway, I don't like to keep telling you about how stupid you are, again and again. So, get busy in your mindless world and hope not to see you anywhere again.

    P.S.- I am not pro-smoking, but anti-stupidity.
    And, to both of you- believe what you will, its your choice, your freedom and there is no need to talk about it anymore. Because, sincerely, I don't have any respect for your 'opinions' anymore.

    On the other hand, does anyone has info about the date of mark sheet-release of not-qualified candidates?

    [Moderator Warning: Personal diatribes are discouraged on this forum. Respect others opinion. Refrain from any personal attack. Don't be judgmental. ]
    You Jacob,seems beyond doubt are trying being critical of everything. Perhaps it is your "ignorant by choice attitude" where you choose not to be open to others well supported arguments.
    on a lighter note you should try your hand at disproving Gravity(there is a noble prize in it!!)
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  • edited May 2013
    @Jacob , come on man quit smoking , see how frustrate you are .. Its good for you and your well-wishers. :)>-

    If possible read Art 19 of our Constitution :)
    2017--> 8th attempt
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  • Ok to lighten up the mood ...
    A Funny clip from the cartoon show Johnny Bravo...
    Enjoy...

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  • ... I have personally never smoked a cigarette but I did use to smoke other substances in college.

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    ^:)^ You are beyond smokers reach :D
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  • on a lighter note you should try your hand at disproving Gravity(there is a noble prize in it!!)
    Disproving gravity ? Einstein already did that and gave his alternate theory. your jokes are outdated by more than 100 years. Caveman :P
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  • @Jacob , come on man quit smoking , see how frustrate you are .. Its good for you and your well-wishers. :)>-

    If possible read Art 19 of our Constitution :)
    Art. 19 gives you protection against state action, not against my actions. From now on, try to read everything carefully. sab theek ho jayega. ok?

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  • One more thing we usually employ this thing..that see a psychiatrist..see a doctor...you seem abnormal/absurd. I personally believe a lil bit of absurdity/abnormality/craziness is definitely needed in a personality if it has to grow leave alone societies. I myself has always been hemmed by these two surd and absurd aspects of my persona.
    PS: i am not taking sides. was itching to write this for long. stayed back jus not to be misjudged.
    and Drona asked,"what do you see?","the sparrow's eye!"......and Krishna replied,"Turning their discerning mind to That, directing their whole conscious being to That, making That their whole aim and the sole object of their devotion, they go whence there is no return"
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  • edited May 2013

    on a lighter note you should try your hand at disproving Gravity(there is a noble prize in it!!)


    Disproving gravity ? Einstein already did that and gave his alternate theory. your jokes are outdated by more than 100 years. Caveman :P
    in that case, and since you are so good at it. Prove Einstein wrong and establish gravity again!!
    :P
    Valar Morghulis
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