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Issue Debate #1: European Refugee Crisis - A failure of Policy & Action

edited September 2015 in Issue Debates
The Refugee Crisis in Europe is a symptom of deep rooted failure of policies and actions of World Bodies like the European Union and United Nation Agencies. Discuss.

Possible Reading List:-
1. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34108224
2. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34140403
3. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/un-security-council-is-failing-syria-ban-ki-moon / Republished by The Hindu



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  • Its not a crisis of failure of world bodies, its a crisis of radicalization and lack of democracy. And terrorism gaining a more dangerous face of ISIS which is attracting terrorists from entire world. The blame game on Europe is wrong and ISIS has already claimed their fighters are Infiltrating Europe in guise of refugees.

  • Refugee problems can be solved temporally through opening of borders by europe but for permanent solution conflicts in syria and other middle east countries needs to be curbed and in this UNSC can play vital role.Activities of ISIS are not only harmful for middle east but has potential to affect globally.
  • • The root causes of the current Refugee Crisis in Europe are mainly two:
    1. Ongoing civil war in Syria in particular and other Middle East countries in general.
    2. Inability of the world agencies and individual countries to provide asylum to the migrants.
    • In both the above cases, the world agencies like UNSC, UNHRC, UNHCR, EU and P5 countries have been unable to tackle the problem.
    • Syrian Civil war is going on for last four years and in spite of mediation by the world agencies no lasting solution has been found. On the other hand many Organizations like GCC led by Saudi Arabia and countries like Iran are involved in proxy war in Syria.
    • UNSC has not acted in unison. Russia and China have consistently blocked UN Security Council action on Syrian Conflict. UNSC and other agencies have also been not able to tackle the extremist groups like IS.
    • The current migrant crisis has also been handled very casually leading to deaths of more than 2000 migrants and thousand others are forced to live in camps under deplorable conditions.
    • One reason is the inadequate financial and administrative capacity of agencies like UNHCR and UNHRC.
    • Besides, many countries in the Europe have refused to take in refugees and many others have resisted EU proposals to agree on a common plan.
    • Countries like Germany have indeed done relatively better to provide asylum to migrants but the sheer magnitude of the problem requires action by EU as a whole.
    • In a nutshell, it can be said that big and small powers have kept their geostrategic, economic and political interests above while dealing with the refugee crisis. This has led to failure of actions and policies by world agencies.
    • Nevertheless, the gravity of the refugee crisis is increasingly being understood by world bodies and countries as indicated by recent initiatives of Germany and Britain to provide more aid and accept more refugees.

    Plz Review frnds.
  • For the love of GOD, stop using "Middle East" people!!
    We are not living in the United freaking States.
    Its West Asia!!!

    On a side note - Also disappointed by UPSC for using "Middle East" to refer to Golan Heigts
  • Haha, point noted.
    l'll never forget this now. :-bd
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  • Neighboring countries such as Turkey ( providing open passage to fighters going to Syria), Saudi Arabia, Qatar, as well as EU and Usa, have fanned the civil war for furthering their own respective agendas. They have backed the rebel groups against Assad, thereby worsening the crisis. Today, half of Syria is under the control of IS.
    An important point to be noted regarding the refugee crisis is that not a single refugee has been accepted by the Arab countries, despite the similarity in culture.
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  • Hii,
    i wrote following stuff,solution and other parts i skipped.will write better and more structured stuff fromnext time


    "The heart wrenching image of body of 3 years old Syrian baby washed ashore on a beach of turkey will remain etched on our conscience for some time to come. This image not only brings people desperation to get out from these war torn regions alive in front of the world but also shows impotency, apathy and self centered attitude of whole world in general and USA,UN,Canada,Middle east countries and European countries in particular.
    Various countries in middle east like Yemen, Syria, Iraq have been going through civil war for almost years now. The very fact that it has been going on for years shows inaction and apathy of international communities, Governments and various international organizations.
    Policy paralysis and Inaction: Two way failure
    First: Failure to bring end to war or achieve peace agreement
    Despite the fact that millions have lost their lives, homes and everything they cherished UN Security council,NATO etc still has to intervene or play even symbolic role in these conflicts. UN,EU nations, USA and almost all other responsible governments have turned blind eyes towards this crisis primarily because they are not sure whose side to be on and secondarily their interest are not affected directly.
    Second: Humanitarian aid
    Forget about military or other pressure tactic to stop these wars even support and humanitarian aids are dwindling. According to UNHCR there have been 10% cut in funding which have resulted in ration cut,clinics closure and cutting down on other refugee related aids.
    According to UNHCR data out of requested grant of $17.5bn to deal with crisis in Syria,Iraq and yemen only around $3 bn has been raised. This cut has resulted into deteriorating conditions in Jordan,Lebanon,Syria and other refugee shelters forcing people to take dangerous trip via sea to reach to safe shore of Europe.Thousand are dying everyday not only in mediterrian sea but also in Indian ocean. These deaths of desperate migrans have happened 1000s of km apart but they show a common pattern and reason i.e breakdown and failure of International organizations who refuses to stop opressors or intervene to stop atrocities against helpless citizens of the world.
    Moral and legal responsibility
    UN,NATO and other western countries are not just morally responsible but also are legally responsible for the following reason
    If we delve deep we realize parties like ISIS,Al-Quida who have made these conflicts more brutal and never ending are direct result of western countries ,Russia,Saudi Arabia, USA meddling in affairs of these countries in past.Not only their meddling gave rise to these organization but also their lack of understanding of ground reality saw demise of many authoritarian governments read saddam hussain etc who were not democratic but definitely had maintained security and stability in these countries.With demise of authoritarian governments whole system in these countries have come unhinged resulting in chaos, mayhems and rampages of various terror outfits and tribal groups.
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  • My question is why the refugees don't go to neighbouring rich gulf states. Are they soo inaccessible or migrant prefer Europe more or other reasons
    Many political scientists of that region favor Syrian refugees as in many gulf states migrants outnumber the citizens

    It is a blessing to India. If refugees prefer gulf states , they will directly clash with Indian migrant creating social tensions

  • Everyone is concerned about the dead body of the little boy Aylan, but what bothers me is the specific and tailor made media coverage of this incident which completely sidelined other similar occurrences happening all over west Asia and Africa. This is the true herd mentality.
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  • Few more points. EU countries have developed a liberators image in the past through their hues and cries in support of humanitarian issues in developing countries, now it's their turn to prove that they are not hypocrites.
    EU has a moral responsibility to support these refugees as they are responsible for triggering instability in west Asian and north African region through unwarranted interventions.
    EU economy is slowing down at the moment so these refugees are opposed fearing that they will take away the jobs of Europeans.
    Most of the refugees are Muslims so lack of trust over Muslims is another reason for opposition.
    Musafir hu yaaron... na ghar hai na thikana... mujhe chalate jana hai, bas chalate hi jana hai.........
  • My question is why the refugees don't go to neighbouring rich gulf states. Are they soo inaccessible or migrant prefer Europe more or other reasons
    Many political scientists of that region favor Syrian refugees as in many gulf states migrants outnumber the citizens

    It is a blessing to India. If refugees prefer gulf states , they will directly clash with Indian migrant creating social tensions

    I am making a guess. Shia refugees don't have the choice of moving to other gulf countries dominated by Sunnis. Also the refugees might be trying to move towards nearest possible peaceful region which can provide them protection. Moving southwards from Syria exposes them to threats whereas moving towards Europe is the safest choice at the moment.
    Musafir hu yaaron... na ghar hai na thikana... mujhe chalate jana hai, bas chalate hi jana hai.........
  • Role of EU
    1. European nations have adequately handled past refugee influxes especially post WW2. They have been welcoming Syrian refugees for the past four year but the sudden massive influx has crumbled the policy structure set up by it.
    2. According to Dublin Regulations, asylum seekers in EU have to seek asylum in the first country of contact within the EU nations. And once the asylum is granted they can move to any other EU nation according to the Schengen rules (allows borderless people mobility within EU). But because of this the border EU nations ie. Greece, Hungary, France, Spain, Itlay, Macedonia etc. are flooded with asylum requests which they are not able to process due to limited logistics.
    3. EU is not just flooded by asylum seekers but also illegal immigrants from North African nations who are not fleeing persecution but economic hardships (this does not come under UN Refugee Convention) and also possibility of enemy infiltration which is a security threat.
    4. Procrastination in a tough economic environment to formulate different policies for asylum seekers and illegal migrants is the true failure of EU.
  • Here apart from all those points discussed aboce, Climate change is at the heart of refugee crisis in west Asia. Syria suffered prolonged draught(2005-11) and they have list half of their agricultural area to it. People from rural areas flooded cities like Damascus and many more giving rise to resource crisis which further led to intensification of fundamentalism, attraction towards ISIL(S), religious revivalism and acute social problemsproblems, providing base for refugees and their numbers is exponentially increasing due to lack of global consensus on Syrian problem. Sustainable lifestyle, tolerance, humanism and ethics for global village may provide strong platform to discuss and provide long term solution for such humanitarian crisis.
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  • Role of UN
    1. The root cause of the Syrian refugee crisis is the Syrian Civil War raging for over four years now.
    2. The division of the UNSC between the China, Russia bloc and the US, EU bloc has rendered it defunct. Countries are thus, bypassing UN and taking unilateral security decisions with no accountability. There is a need to overcome personal political considerations and for that UNSC reforms which have been continuously stalled for years now should be done on an urgent basis.
    3. However, both UNHCR and UNHRC have been doing a good job in providing humanitarian assistance to the refugees and highlighting the ongoing crisis to the world. But they have no power over states who refuse to cooperate in providing adequate humanitarian aid. Turkey houses lakhs of Syrian refugees but has failed to provide them humane conditions for living. In this scenario the lack of funds from member nations is leaving even this institutions ineffective.
  • edited September 2015
    @Teddy

    I agree with point 1. But in point 2 I think you are confusing immigrants with refugees.
    Refugees flee persecution in their nation, something that is threatening to life. Unavailability of jobs can lot lead to their deportation unlike that of immigrants. Qatar however can not provide them or delay the provision of work licenses but that would be in contravention to UN Refugee Convention.
    Correct me if I'm wrong :)
  • @Etat Thanks, for that video.. although the glaring bias of the West can be seen in that video..
    While Arming rebel groups against the regime US can spend millions , but when the moral question of taking the refugees, there isn't any conclusive action. It doesn't even have comments on its allies on their refusal to own up for the refugee crisis. Do we see a hypocritical view of human rights , or do they even consider them humans at all?
    That said, the UNO and UNSC need reforms , why can't there be swift action in areas of conflict and these organisations are just a facade in eyes of common people.. It's the larger geo-political game which ensues there .. There are two many groups which are fed with arms and ammo to fight against their enemies ,until the group betrays its master and you arm another group..

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  • My question is do the eu and un even have a policy?
  • edited September 2015
    My question is do the eu and un even have a policy?
    There is Dublin regulation and eu countries have individually fixed the quotas of refugees they will support.
    Musafir hu yaaron... na ghar hai na thikana... mujhe chalate jana hai, bas chalate hi jana hai.........
  • edited September 2015
    WHAT IS HAPPENING!!!!!!

    I feel this platform is not quite right for a debate. Everyone is thinking this is some kind of a g.s. question. Everyone writing answers, repeating the same point. One guy even wrote "please review". dafuk!

    Bhaiyo, this is a debate. you have to counter points, not write an essay with each post with everyone going on a tangent.


    My suggestion:

    The admin should nominate a moderator who will have powers to,
    1. Split the topic into sub issues so that each can be discussed in compartments.
    2. Regulate the thread so that noobs dont start writing a freaking essay in each post.


    Just look at this clusterfuck. 4-5 people posted root cause, with same points. All posted solutions with same points. @root Please look into this. If you want a debate thread, make necessary changes or the essence will be lost.


    Why is it a problem if some1 wants to write an answer for the question given. If you want to debate, debate it. Who is stopping you?
    BTW go thru the instructions posted by admin.
    Everyday, Issue Debate will come up with questions on issues that are related to the Examination Process - The Mains Examination.
    Peer Review: Members of the Forum Can review answers and add more angles to the Issue.
    Dont try to be oversmart. Let every1 participate in a way he is comfortable with. There shouldn't be any problem as long as people are posting content related to the issue given.
  • reasons for refugee crisis-
    1) Civil war in Syria,sudan, yemen,lebya ,tunisia.
    2)Terrorist control in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan

    Arguments against the question statement

    1)European union is more of a inter governmental union and has all powers to control inflow of refugees in order to maintain law and order etc.
    2) EU is not directly responsible for unrest in the home countries of refugees.
    3)EU has limited resources.
    4)more than half a million refugees have already been accommodated.
    5)Spain,Italy, France have been granting refuge since past few years already.
    6)many countries in the EU are undergoing sever unemployment and recession.Their resources are already stretched to extreme lengths .


    4)UN has no control over countries and how their governments chose to react.
    5)The volume of the crises and the no. of countries involved is very large and it is a logistical and strategical challenge for UN.
    6)Under the geneva convention on refugees seeking asylu, countries are already providing refuge to refugees.

    Arguments for-
    1) EU countries being part of the NATO , had a huge role in the Afghan, iraq campaign which in some sort led to the destabilising of the region. These campaigns did not have permission from the UN and thus the purpose of UN was defeated when these campaigns began.
    2) UN did not give due attention to the middle eastern and north african situation in its early days, when an effective solution could have been found.
    3)high power Weapons held by the terrorists, rebel forces and the governments are not indigenously produced, but are supplied from other countries through the underground network.This underground network should be the priority issue of the UN nations as all the countries from where these weapons come are UN members( i would not mention these countries in actual answer, big companies in countries like US, Russia, Saudi, Iran, Israel covertly supply weapons to the groups they support).
  • WHAT IS HAPPENING!!!!!!

    I feel this platform is not quite right for a debate. Everyone is thinking this is some kind of a g.s. question. Everyone writing answers, repeating the same point. One guy even wrote "please review". dafuk!

    Bhaiyo, this is a debate. you have to counter points, not write an essay with each post with everyone going on a tangent.


    My suggestion:

    The admin should nominate a moderator who will have powers to,
    1. Split the topic into sub issues so that each can be discussed in compartments.
    2. Regulate the thread so that noobs dont start writing a freaking essay in each post.


    Just look at this clusterfuck. 4-5 people posted root cause, with same points. All posted solutions with same points. @root Please look into this. If you want a debate thread, make necessary changes or the essence will be lost.
    Why is it a problem if some1 wants to write an answer for the question given. If you want to debate, debate it. Who is stopping you?
    BTW go thru the instructions posted by admin.
    Everyday, Issue Debate will come up with questions on issues that are related to the Examination Process - The Mains Examination.
    Peer Review: Members of the Forum Can review answers and add more angles to the Issue.
    Dont try to be oversmart. Let every1 participate in a way he is comfortable with. There shouldn't be any problem as long as people are posting content related to the issue given.
  • My question is do the eu and un even have a policy?
    There is Dublin regulation and eu countries have individually fixed the quotas of refugees they will support.
    Now Germany has dumped this regulation, realising that it doesn't work. They're actually welcoming refugees.

    Too many countries are still messed up since the days of decolonisation. Many are still ruled by religious bigots, who carry out every action from a narrow communal perspective. To them power equals a chance at homogenisation of their societies to strengthen their popular base - eliminate the opposition, basically. Democracy is a sham there.

    There is a deep-seated reluctance in every country when it comes to accepting refugees. It cannot be a permanent solution, but they must take these people in at this point at least. The final solution is the extermination of dictatorships and rogue states. That's easier said than done, though.

    UNSC has been practically useless here. And power-structure reforms might only go so far. The limitation of the UN system is structural. You cannot expect to govern the world without actually governing. They have only two paths - 1. appeal to the senses of the senseless, and 2. bomb their pants off. The state structure that ensures law and order lies in between the two. This is lacking whenever the state takes on its own populace (as is common).

    What the solution to this would be is anyone's guess. On one hand you must respect their sovereignty and on the other you must get them to tow your line. This is a structural failure of the current world political setup and this seems to be a dead end. Therefore we must follow the two paths listed above to keep turmoil under check as best as we can, and hope that people regain their good senses - they die out as a nation, if they don't.

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  • edited September 2015
    The wealthiest gulf nations(UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar) haven't extended a helping hand to the refugees. The reason of "being exposed to terrorism" holds no ground in the face of doing something which should be done, because it is morally and ethically right to help those people. And that too when these countries are financially capable of taking in the displaced Syrians.
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  • With russia now openly involved in syria, there seems to be no solutions in sight, short of dividing the country.
  • The wealthiest gulf nations(UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar) haven't extended a helping hand to the refugees. The reason of "being exposed to terrorism" holds no ground in the face of doing something which should be done, because it is morally and ethically right to help those people. And that too when these countries are financially capable of taking in the displaced Syrians.
    The real reason is that they are under no obligation to, as they are not signatories to the 1951 UN convention on refugees. Even India is not a part, whereas EU is.

    If you want to speak morally, why should we blame them only. Everyone has blood on their hands. It is well known, as further proved by wikileaks, that wahabbism was exported by Saudi, and the Shia Sunni proxy war between Iran and Saudi has a big part to play in the West Asia pandemonium.

    But, still, the West supports them. Even we support them. All because of oil. If morality is taken into account, everyone is responsible.
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  • humans have made artificial boundaries and called them countries . nationality is a barrier to the ultimate humanity . no one has any right on any piece of land . the europeans can't call it 'their' land just because they have been living there since ages . interestingly , the stabilized society which is manifested in concepts such as country is now exposing the underlying randomness. in long term , this refugee crisis will be a gift to ourselves . we are witnessing the same cycle where randomness and anarchy leads to stability in the long term . unfortunately and undesirably , many people have to die during its course .
  • humans have made artificial boundaries and called them countries . nationality is a barrier to the ultimate humanity . no one has any right on any piece of land . the europeans can't call it 'their' land just because they have been living there since ages . interestingly , the stabilized society which is manifested in concepts such as country is now exposing the underlying randomness. in long term , this refugee crisis will be a gift to ourselves . we are witnessing the same cycle where randomness and anarchy leads to stability in the long term . unfortunately and undesirably , many people have to die during its course .
    i second that! britishers went to big land countries like canada,USA,australiya etc first and proclaimed land as their own.What should people from rest of the world do!! they have every right to migrate to any part of the world!! it's everybody earth!!
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  • Many folks had already argued FOR the refuges..but 1)large influx of migrants may put pressure on limited RESOURCES and local people may protest in future,agitate for benefits(rights) given to asylums(eg :-migrants from bangladesh in north east, rohingyas in myanmar...)
    2)There is also a risk of radical people,especially terror groups find easy way into other countries in the mask of migrant.( charle hebdo, peshawar school attack, australian restaurant , canadian parliament ,saudi mosque,egypt, thailand attacks etc...)every country will think of its security first

    so it might be fail of action but may not be fail of policy
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  • @INeeDtoGetIn
    What you were suggesting wasn't a problem. What i did not like was the way you put it. I requested people here to review my answer and this is what you wrote- "One guy even wrote "please review". dafuk! "

    Was i wrong in asking people here to review my answer. So literally it is you who was overreacting. And even if you wanted to suggest something, i believe it could have been done in a humble way. And yet again i did not sense any humility in your "apologies". Having said that, i am neither demanding nor expecting an apology from you. But do take apologies from my side and lets end the topic here.
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